Discussion in 'Politics & Society' started by nrj, Feb 1, 2013.
Thats Good Guy Rajnath
Togadia is back in Sangh Parivar business | Firstpost
Do they really think Ram Mandir is still a election issue
With opposition like this, Congress may just get another 5 year term
^^Ram Mandir may not be an election issue, but it is an emotional issue.
Modi-Kalyan-Uma-Rajnath-Togadia will rake the mandir issue again with Pawars backing
Instead of "Mandir" issues Mr Togadia types should address the Conversion and Caste issues in Hindu Community and how to save Hindus outnumbered in their own holeland.
Oh absolutely. Actually, such is possible, this kind of movement would require pan-Hindu unity and what better an issue than Ram-Mandir issue to do just that. For a moment, forget the upwardly mobile, supposedly educated, urban middle class, living in denial "secular" "Hindu", and focus on the rest of India which still has a semblance of spiritual life remaining in it.
They are and has always been our support base. This time, they are in danger. I absolutely agree with you that we should help them tackle the conversion and caste issues more aggressively. Hindus are becoming cowards and spineless, it is time to break the pattern and be aggressive about it. No hypocrisy.
Don't forget Varun Gandhi, he is Gen Next !
On a related note, I don't think Modi will go after Mandir issue. He will be with what BJP HC's decision.
^^^ @spikey360 and @rock127 none of tat is possible until upper class give up their power which they control via government and bureaucracy with their jhollachap ideology. Like it or not, it is still the upper caste which is responsible for social stratfication through govt control(socialism)... You want a genuine solution for caste system, then ave genuine reasons and ways to get rid of it, not nonsensical talks.
One small example would be the support Modi is getting from middle class(which itself was born out of free market), like it or not. Modi's biggest opposition comes from upper castes in BJP, and support from middle class. This should tell you something if you doubt my words.
Finally I think right wingers are right wingers for wrong reasons. Instead of standing for less govt-good economy, they are obsessed with religion alone which will hurt their cause in the kind run!!!
If Modi's there, I don't think Togadiya will have any impact on BJP.And if Modi's not there, then no need of Togadiya, BJP will have been doomed already.
Well, right wingers can't be right wingers merely to oppose the leftist philosophy of mammoth governments and managed economy alone. It is unfortunate that the portrayal of right wing is done with a brush of religion but right wing is something much more than that. Sure, religion forms a major component of right wing, but it's not the only component. It's how people like to think about them, and that is unfortunate. However, in a country with a rich philosophical and spiritual heritage like India, it shouldn't be surprising that religion forms the pivot of right wing. You wouldn't disagree that a just, moral society is one of the basic aims of religion, would you?
Next comes the topic of pan-Hindu unity and the upper caste reluctance to let go of the stranglehold. Well, the so called upper castes aren't going to cede power any sooner. If equality has to prevail, then the so called lower castes should take power through their determination, hard work, nationalistic fervour and strong moral values. All of which there is a dire need for every Indian to develop. It would be wrong to say that the whole of Hindu upper caste is against Modi. The ones who are against him are mostly the supremacists. These people can't see their countrymen as their brothers, imho, they are not Hindus to begin with. For a Hindu treats every countryman equally. That again is the basic tenet of Hindutva.
So to conclude, it is quite safe to surge ahead inspite of the opposition from these fringe elements in the Hindu society for the benefit of Hindu unity and India. That unity will be tested in the Ram Mandir issue. It is an issue for every Hindu, atleast for one who truly considers himself/herself to be a Hindu.
Modi ran Togadia out of Gujarat after the riots. This is one of his biggest achievements. He has totally emasculated VHP and Bajrang Dal in Gujarat. There is still hope that if Modi is going to the PM candidate then Togadia will be sidelined.
BJP does not need this idiot messing things up again.
No matter what they do, Indians will mess it up for sure in 2014
And we are Doomed . Get ready for UPA3
when will this old RSS cheifs and VHP cheifst all those sonis , sanghvis would be thrown in INdian ocean
This isn't good. It seems RSS would exercise full control on a rudderless BJP this time.
If that seemed to work I wouldn't object. But from what I see, the symptoms only point to the worst
People know how bad UPA-2 has been. But the only way for BJP to come back is by positive portrayal and good candidature.
People want BJP to present hope .. like say Modi. Not the RSS and their agenda however valid it may be.
I'm talking from the angle of public mindset. This latest gear shift of BJP-RSS will not win them the elections.
Why don't they understand
It seems we've got habitual of living in a mess
Varun Gandhi is not even a Hindu. His maternal side are Sikh, Paternal Parsi.
Paternal is open!
If Togadia is back, then it will be a very curious electoral situation.
It does not matter!
What matter is what he thinks he is today and for what he stands i.e. he stands for Hindus which makes him a rare breed in India and he should be supported openly by all the Hindus (obviously not by secularists and cryptos)!
He could have been easily become champion of secularism by clamming or retorting that every muslims should do Jihad and kill for Islam or Terrorism is only by Hindus or pakistan is a friend and Hindus being real enemy of India (secularism to the core); however, he chose the toughest and righteous path of truth i.e favoring coward, selfish and dumb Hindus! Hats off to Him!!
How dare you say anything against the ilks of Shri Hafeez Said and Osamaji you are indeed a Hindu terrorist who wants to destroy the fabric of secular India. Minorities are rightly afraid of RSS and Saffron bandits that's why they have defend themselves
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