Togadia calls for death sentence for conversion

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  1. ejazr

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    The Hindu : News / National : Togadia calls for death sentence for conversion

    Vishwa Hindu Parishad international general secretary Pravin Togadia has sought death sentence to those who attempt to convert Hindus to other religions.

    Dr. Togadia was addressing the concluding session of a three-day Akhil Bharatiya Dharmaprasar Karykarta Sammelan on Monday. VHP workers from all over the country took part in it.

    The sammelan was held close to Pirana Dargah, on the outskirts of the city, sending the police into a tizzy, particularly because it coincided with Bakrid.

    The convention, however, ended peacefully, with the trustees of the Pirana Dargah contributing Rs 1.11 lakh to the VHP for assistance towards schools, hospitals and other humanitarian aid being run by the Parishad. Incidentally, the Pirana dargah is run by a Trust that has both Hindus and Muslims as members. Its present chief is Nanakdasji Maharaj, a Hindu.

    While anti-conversion measures were a priority, re-converting the Hindus converted to Islam or Christianity was a bigger priority. Large-scale conversion of Hindus to other religions was being carried out only because of the “appeasement politics” of all major political parties, he said.
    Dig at Modi

    Dr. Togadia had a dig at Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi. Without referring to Mr. Modi's recent controversy when he was offered Muslim headgears during his “Sadbhavana Mission” fast here and again in Navsari, Dr. Togadia said of late it had become a “fashion” for him (Mr. Modi) to hobnob with the minorities and offer them “sumptuous biriyanis as being done to Mumbai attack convict Ajmal Kasab.”

    Narayan Sai, son of the controversial self-styled “Godman” Asaram Bapu, felt that Jains, Sikhs and Buddhists should be considered part of the Hindu religion for, “their line of thinking is no different from that of Hindus” except for some rituals.

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    Indian Express reporting it as well
    Behead those who convert Hindus: Togadia - Indian Express

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    And some good old fashion Muslim bashing despite the fact that the the Pirana Dargah trustees contributed money from the Muslim Dargah for the VHP meet.

    VHP says ‘answer to terrorism is counter terrorism’ - India - DNA
    The historical village of Pirana, an embodiment of communal harmony, echoed with extremists thoughts on Saturday with the start of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad’s (VHP) three-day meet. The religious leaders expressed the view that the answer to growing terrorism can only be given in the form of counter terrorism.

    Pirana, 25 km away from Ahmedabad city, where the Dargah (a Sufi shrine) of Imam Shah Baba exists for the last 600 years, turned saffron colour as hundreds of members of VHP flocked the village for the meet called ‘Dharm Prasar Akhil Bharatiya Karyakarta Sammelan’.

    The meeting, which is being held at Gurukul School, was addressed by various religious gurus including Mohan Joshi, VHP, Nanak Dasji Maharaj, president of Imam Shah Baba Sanstha Trust, Vijay Abhaydevji Maharaj, Surishshwar Maharaj, Pravin Togadia among others.

    While addressing the crowd on the first day of the meet, the religious gurus largely expressed views which were in variance to the ideas of Pirana Dargah, which is an example of religious tolerance. One of the leaders kept on saying that the time has come to become suicide bombers to give answers to the ‘Jihadis’.

    The Muslim trustees of the Dargah (Saiyeds) preferred to stay away from the event as around 30 members of the VHP will be staying in the Dargah’s campus where a temple also exists. Although the VHP along with Hindu trustees (7 Satpanthis) claimed that not a single trustee including Saiyeds raised objection to the arrangement, Saiyed Nuruddin Bade Miyan on the other hand rubbished such claims.

    “We are against such meetings and we haven’t given any permission orally or in writing. They (Satpanthis) are doing what they want to do. All we want to say is that if you don’t believe in the ideology of what Imam Shah Baba taught, should leave the Dargah alone,” said Bade Miyan.

    They said that such events are signs of converting the place into an extremist form of Hinduism which is against the idea of founder of the Dargah Imam, Shah Baba. He said that everything happening at the Dargah is being done on the basis of power but not with unanimous consent.
     
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    Conversion by illegal means is reprehensible.

    But death sentence?

    That's real rum thing to want!
     
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    I was wondering where this chum was all these days :D
     
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    I call for death to people who call for death on the basis of trivial issues. Clean your house first Togadia.
     
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    Now we know what is responsible for the decline in a faith :facepalm:
     
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    And this guy & his organization thinks they are representing Hinduism!

    These groups are nothing but Indian version of Talibanis.

    No wonder we won't book him for provocation towards violence. VHP is doing all what it is best at, defaming hindus.
     
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    Actually these guys do some good social work in the tribal tracts..but they loose all sympathy through this verbal trolling :facepalm:
     
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    Togadia is a brainless wanker..redundancy deliberate and implied.

    Why don't you shut your trap and focus on your Vanvasi Kalyan Kendras for a change?
     
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    Such hypocrites. Why do they even participate in minorities business. They want to show their peace loving side by contributing in building mosques and managing its affairs but at the same time they want to make such brazen statements. The media should take on people like him and ridicule him to an extent that he does not dare to come on stage again.
     
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    There must be a law to kill guys like this, anywhere in the world!
     
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    These guys are the only reason I felt bad about the previous NDA regime that was otherwise good.
     
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    So, there seems to be unanimity on DFI that Togadia needs to be killed. :pound:
     
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    My first reaction as soon as I read the title of the thread was, "this scum should shut up. He is bringing bad name to hindus."

    Then, I tried to put myself in his shoes to understand what motivates such thoughts. I thought that maybe he is a political harlot who is hired by others. Once in a while, he makes such extreme statements about pakistan or minorities to stay in news.

    Then, my attention turned to conversions. Well, conversions impact a society in several ways. It creates immediate social strife. And unethical and illegal conversions are rampant in India, especially in rural, urban slum and tribal areas. The missionaries have rich and powerful backers at local, regional, national, and international level. They can and do pressurise the lawmakers and law implementors. They have huge influence on media. In short, these missionaries have all the choke points of a society in their hands. They can guide public opinion.

    With all these weapons in their arsenal, they go out to convert. They attack the vulnerable sections of society in systematic manner. Firstly, they hijack the educational system. It gives them access to the minds of immpressionable minds which they can mould as they want. They fill the young minds in two ways:
    A) by portraying the missionary's religion as enlightened, beautiful and refined.
    B) by portraying the original religion as superstitious, ugly and crude.
    The next step is to attack, denigrate and ridicule the culture, language, attire, and beliefs promoted by the original religion.
    The most important step is to distort the history, so that the achievements of the original religion are blacked out. This is done to perpetuate the perception of superiority of missionary religion and inferiority of original religion.

    Then the missionary indulges in his favourite game of denigrating the Gods and Goddesses of original religion.

    It is also important to isolate the target group from larger civizational framework. This is done by promoting real or perceived sectarian, regional, sub-regional, linguistic, caste or class differances. All the existing faultlines are exploited and new faultlines are created.

    Along with all these, cash is a great factor in inspiring 'faith' in missionary religion, specially in tribal, rural and urban slum areas.

    Once a critical mass of followers are achieved, the coercion(political and social) is used. Laws are subverted through powerful contacts. Violence and bloodshed are not excluded. Infact, arms and ammo are supplied.

    If the entire country cannot be taken away, then the efforts would be to break away those parts from it that are under missionary's control.

    The international powers that support the missionary religion have their own neo-colonial dreams.

    Thus, the process of convertion and the final result are a threat to any nation. It is not a trivial issue. It is a social, civizational, and geo-political threat.

    Proposing death sentence to counter such a threat is understandable. I support the proposition. I think making an example of offenders will act as a deterrent. I support death sentence for crimes like rape and large-scale corruption(say above 100 crores).
     
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    Do you support Death Sentence against forceful conversions or any hindu conversions? Togdia is supporting the latter.
     
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    Although i don't agree with all POV of Togadia, but in this news, he has some valid point. There must be some severe punishment for those who do force conversion from Hinduism to Islam/Christianity or any way. Any Strict law will be welcomed in order to improve peace and harmony in society. Force conversation in past already created too much hatred.
     
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    Johney dont try to put yourself in everyone's shoe. You may start supporting Kasab or Masood Azhar someday. Just put on your own shoe.
     
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    Law, it ll be immediately called DRACONIAN by both the Christian majority nations and Muslim nations(we know they are the majority there)

    How about Hinduism appealing to all sections of society, doing only what it preaches, ending the F***ing caste system.

    A wise person once told me that large temples in the South, built in the olden days, we done to house the poor and down-trodden get back to their feet
     
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    I think this apparent difference is like differentiating between good taliban and bad taliban or PA and JuD. I think coversions should be banned and death sentence should apply to offender.
    But right now, 'voluntary' conversions are allowed. Fine. Let the death sentence apply to those who indulge in coercive conversions(through force or cash). Also, punish the missionaries who denigrate the other religions.
     
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    The biggest enemy for VHP is BJP as it sees BJP as going soft on Hindutva and a traitor to its cause.

    There is no need to hype the issue anyway. Everyone is entitled to his views.
     
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    Catch the missionaries with the cash RED-HANDED, that will do wont it ?
     

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