Today China is what US was

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  1. RAM

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    Today China is what US was


    When European settlers first came to North America, they saw flocks of geese so big that it took them 30 minutes to all take flight and forests that seemed to stretch to infinity. They came to two conclusions: that God’s plans for humanity could be completed here, and that they could get really rich in the process.This moral materialism fomented a certain sort of manic energy. Americans became famous for their energy and workaholism: for moving around, switching jobs, marrying and divorcing, creating new products and going off on righteous crusades.

    It may seem like an ephemeral thing, but this eschatological faith in the future has motivated generations of Americans, just as religious faith motivates a missionary. Pioneers and immigrants endured hardship in the present because of their confidence in future plenty. Entrepreneurs start up companies with an exaggerated sense of their chances of success. The faith is the molten core of the country’s dynamism.

    There are also periodic crises of faith. Today, the rise of China is producing such a crisis. It is not only China’s economic growth rate that produces this anxiety. The Chinese, though members of a famously old civilisation, seem to possess some of the vigour that once defined the US. The Chinese are now an astonishingly optimistic people. Eighty-six per cent of Chinese believe their country is headed in the right direction, compared with 37 per cent of Americans.

    The Chinese now have lavish faith in their scientific and technological potential. Newsweek and Intel just reported the results of their Global Innovation Survey.
    Only 22 per cent Chinese believe their country is an innovation leader, but 63 per cent are confident that their country will be the global technology leader within 30 years. The majority of the Chinese believe that China will produce the next society-changing innovation, while only a third of Americans believe the next breakthrough will happen here, according to the survey.

    The Cultural Revolution seems to have produced among the Chinese the same sort of manic drive that the pioneer and immigrant experiences produced among the Americans. The people who endured Mao Zedong’s horror have seen the worst life has to offer and are now driven to build some secure footing. “Do you understand?” one party official in Shanxi Province told James Fallows of the Atlantic, “If it had not been for Deng Xiaoping, I would be behind an ox in a field right now... Do you understand how different this is? My mother has bound feet!”

    The anxiety in America is caused by the vague sense that they have what we’re supposed to have. It’s not the per capita income, which the Chinese may never have at our level. It’s the sense of living with baubles just out of reach. It’s the faith in the future, which is actually more important.

    China, where US President Obama is visiting, invites a certain sort of reverie. It is natural, looking over the construction cranes, to think about the flow of history over decades, not just day-to-day. And it becomes obvious by comparison just how far the US has drifted from its normal future-centered orientation and how much this rankles.

    The US now has an economy shifted too much toward consumption, debt and imports and too little toward production, innovation and exports. It now has a mounting federal debt that creates present indulgence and future hardship.

    Americans could once be confident that their country would grow more productive because each generation was more skilled than the last. That’s no longer true. The political system now groans to pass anything easy — tax cuts, expanding healthcare coverage — and is incapable of passing anything hard — spending restraint, healthcare. The standard thing these days is for Americans to scold each other for our profligacy, to urge fiscal Puritanism. But it’s not clear Americans have ever been self-disciplined. Instead, Americans probably postponed gratification because they thought the future was a big rock-candy mountain, and if they were stealing from that, they were robbing themselves of something stupendous.

    It would be nice if some leader could induce the country to salivate for the future again. That would mean connecting discrete policies — education, technological innovation, funding for basic research — into a single long-term narrative. It would mean creating regional strategies, because innovation happens in geographic clusters, not at the national level. It would mean finding ways to tamp down consumption and reward production. As the financial crises ease, it would be nice if Americans would once again start looking to the horizon


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  3. LETHALFORCE

    LETHALFORCE Moderator Moderator

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    Chinese industrial revolution is 100 years after US industrial revolution. Chinese GDP is 6,000 dollars per person US GDP is 48,000 per person; where does this make China close to USA? Also Chinese demographics will be unfavorable in about 10-15 years.
     
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    badguy2000 Respected Member Senior Member

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    you can insist on you mentality .....until that day comes true....


    of course, even after that day comes true,you can still insist your current mentiality on.....

    after all, even today, somebody still insists that the earth be not round.
     
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    look at the numbers China is nowhere near USA ,yes you advanced as a developing country but you are not in USA's ball park yet.
     
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    badguy2000 Respected Member Senior Member

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    the hegemony of dollars hides the weakness of Yankee's industry and economy.

    as I posted before, in fact, hardly any of Yankees' industry sections today can be more productive than China's,xcept a few high-end manufacturing such as aircraft-manufacturing.

    even Yankee's aircraft-manufacturings is being threatened by Chinese ,when CHinese invests so heavily on the project of C919 and JXX. As we see, J10 is threatening the market of Yankee's F16 seriously.

    US Dollar's hegemoney on CHinese manufacturing is just a air castle...

    once China were to cancel their support of US dollars, US dollars would just go down and down just as GBP performced after WW II.
     
  7. S.A.T.A

    S.A.T.A Senior Member Senior Member

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    Reminds me of the same kind of nonsense that was bandied about japan doing the Americans in right through the 60's to the 80's..............Futurologist Alwyn Toffler dedicated most of his future shock and power shift series on the Japanese quandary and what do we have for it :)
     
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    US dollar will always remain the prime global currency, China is not going to help the world in any way in the economic sense by producing low end goods.
     
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    badguy2000 Respected Member Senior Member

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    let just wait and see.

    This year, Chinese shipbuilding has already left S.Korea and Japan way behind. making use of the cirsis, CHinese shipbuilding industry grab 50%+ new additional orders of shipbuilding this year.

    in 5 years at most, CHinese auto manufacturing will rule the world and corner all non-Chinese auto manufacturing.

    Today, Chinese J10 is challenging the market of Yankee's F16 serioulsy.

    In 10-15 years, CHinese commerical aircraft-manufacturing will challeng Boeing and Airbus.

    Yankees are retreating along the value chain day by day....what will be yankee's last defensive line?
     
  10. LETHALFORCE

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    I am sure 99% of the world would rather fly in a boeing plane than a Chinese plane, China will sell their planes but to countries like pakistan, nobody in their right mind will be flying in Chinese planes.
     
  11. badguy2000

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    any brand is base on the good cost performance...if one brand lose its good cost performance, then the brand will be just a paper tiger and be eaten by new emerging brand sooner or later.

    that is the principle of market.......
    that is also why General Motor brankupts and be sold .

    Even if African were to work out a plance with bettter cost performance, they would still suceed in beating Boeing.
     
  12. Vladimir79

    Vladimir79 Defence Professionals Defence Professionals

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    China has reduced the price of their ships by over 50% making zero profit. They are giving ships away. What good does it do to have industry that doesn't make money? It certainly isn't sustainable.

    Chinese auto manufactuing don't sell anywhere in the world except commercial use to the third world. They have zero appeal for private consumption due to poor safety standards and shoddy construction. The little country of Slovakia exported twice as many autos as China in 2008. You are nowhere near ruling the world and with all the retooling to hybrid/electric cars, you never will.

    J-10 hasn't entered a single competitive tender, with Russian engines it never will.

    China doesn't even have commercial aerocraft-manufacturing, in 10-15 years they will be producing planes that don't meet basic international standards.

    Chinese are retreating into the subsidy industrial support trap hemorrhaging money day by day, what will save China from bankrupt industries?
     
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    it is a pleasing and ammusing news to me...CHina to build high-speed railway in USA...

    after export high-techs to CHinese for hundreds of years, Yankees find for the first time that they have to import some high-tech from CHina.

    that is just the inevitable final that USA has being retreating along value chains day by day.

    of course ,it also reflecting the shift of power from USA to China.




    BTW ,it is always amusing and pleasing the smell the shock and sour grape from west like following comments
     
  14. badguy2000

    badguy2000 Respected Member Senior Member

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    I am quite tired of your attitude to CHina.

    however ,anyhow, I can guarantee to you that in 5 years some of your neighbours will buy chinese-made cars.
     
  15. K Factor

    K Factor A Concerned Indian Senior Member

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    F-16 is a 30 year old aircraft. I would assume that something China produced 30 years down the line from it to be better even according to Chinese engineers, it isn't upto the F-16 Blk60. What a shame, even after 30 years, you cannot compete with the latest F-16.
    Also, F-16 line will be closed if F-16 doesn't win Indian MMRCA.
    Wake up, smell the coffee.

    As for the commercial passenger aircraft you are talking about, good luck getting them off the ground.
     
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    K Factor A Concerned Indian Senior Member

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    Hey, my neighbor's kids buy chinese made cars even now but they break very easily. (I mean the cheap chinese toys that are banned in first world countries due to safety hazards :p)
     
  17. badguy2000

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    forget it.

    the airframe is a 30 years old design,but the toys inside the F16 block 50/60 always reflects the last tech

    pls don't use is to comfort yourself.
     
  18. badguy2000

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    case is that: cheap/low quality goods for low-iincome people while expensive/high-quality for high-income people...
     
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    K Factor A Concerned Indian Senior Member

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    To put it simply, you admit that you are 30 years behind US. End of argument.
     
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    K Factor A Concerned Indian Senior Member

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    Only sad part about your statement is that "Chinese high-quality products don't exist.". You are good at mass producing cheap stuff, but the latter is a dream that you try to prove is true.
     
  21. Vladimir79

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    Even their hallmark shipbuilding industry is European designed and supplemented. They import propulsion systems, electronics, almost the whole works in many cases. Most of their input is building cheap hulls. Even their domestic high-speed rail lines have been opened up to European bids due to the difficulties they cannot overcome.
     
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