To Make in India, give a break to our tech & talent

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  1. Ray

    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    The prescription for India.

    What have you to say?
     
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  3. jouni

    jouni Senior Member Senior Member

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    Does not look very promising. Good thing is that you yourself know how big your problems are, not blaming other countries for them. Cruise missile jointly developed with Russia is your greatest achievement? Great, that is gonna solve all your problems, I am sure.

    I feel sorry for you, 1,3Bn country stuck in the past and clueless how to get forward.


    . As many as 82% of our fresh engineers are deemed to be "unemployable"

    Maybe school system reform might be in place if you can ptoduce only unemployable engineers? If I was an Indian taxpayer, I would not like that my money is used to give useless education.

    Sometimes I do not know whether to laugh or cry when reading about the state of your society.
     
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    Development of any industry depends on the demand. The lack of MIC complex development is related to a combination of many factors, most prominent among them is demand by its sole customer, Indian defence forces. However, that has been missing and has remained focused upon imports. Thankfully, its changing now so this area will improve soon. After all, its a 1.2 billion strong juggernaut so once it starts moving, the momentum will takes over..
     
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    ezsasa Senior Member Senior Member

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    Keeping the military industry aside. We need to come out of the mindset that r&d is not a liability and rather it is a future asset.

    One solution in my head :
    Either the govt or private entities or via PPP model can fund startup villages. My idea of a startup villages is a dedicated complex where one can go with just an idea and all the machinery will be available in the compound to make the idea into reality. By machinery I mean machines that make the machines like 3d printers, metallurgy furnaces, CNC machines and so on. This complex can also have sufficient space for small labs, lodging for inventors , offices , legal support, availability to visiting faculty from nearby IIT's , REC's or specialist govt/Pvt institutions, support mechanism like mentors Etc. In return for the infrastructure the complex can have share or royalty from the revenues of the inventions.
    Patent war has already begun, we are not in comfortable position in this regard.
     
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    salute Senior Member Senior Member

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    @jouni

    we cant be all einsteins you know,maybe finnish can.
     
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    salute Senior Member Senior Member

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    not as great as victory of finland on russia in winter war.
     
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    DingDong Senior Member Senior Member

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    Indira Gandhi's son Rajiv Gandhi was a weapons dealer, before becoming India's PM he spent most of his time in the UK and full credit goes to him for destruction of the domestic defence industry. Plus, the socialist India under license raj provided very little incentives to the innovative start-ups.

    On the positive side, India has now managed to gather enough mass and under a good leadership India will certainly change for better.
     
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    Compersion Senior Member Senior Member

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    need a environment that makes [indian-x] proud to see [indian-y] do well.
     
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    jouni Senior Member Senior Member

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    As bad as war is, good thing about it was that it gave us believe that we can achieve anything we want. War also united Finland and after that we rose in few decades to one of the most stable and prosperous countries in the world.

    That recipe will not work for India, you are already a giant country so you should have high pride and self esteem.
     
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    jouni Senior Member Senior Member

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    You do not need to be Einsteins, just get the basics right and build on that.
     
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    salute Senior Member Senior Member

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    says you , who makes all his assumptions based on wrong information and calls it facts.:lol:
     
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    salute Senior Member Senior Member

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    you can say all you want on some 200 year old victory no one's talks about maybe even in finland as it matters nothing or to no one now,

    finland could be most prosperous country in the world you knows it more than us and also your country made achievements like nokia,oops it got owned by microsoft(american company).
     
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    One point I agree with you is to get the basics right. Quality control for Private as well as Govt institutions should be mandatory.

    Secondly I dont agree to the stated article that says "fresh engineers are unemployable" . They are employed, but it puts the onus on the hiring company to train them. The final phase of college education should include very comprehensive training mode to make them industry compliant. This wil fix it.
    There are works along this line.

    It doesnt matter whether you laugh or cry, but India has its potential, It will take its stride forward.

    India went through very turbulent coalition politics- which again is a part and parcel of democracy.
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    This doesnt mean that the politics and policies are incapable.

    Student Entrepreneurship Policy for Kerala schools | Business Line
    Andhra Pradesh is also following the same policy model.

    It is to be understood that, There are a lot of such startup projects taking place all over the country.

    Well!! unfortunately one of our leading political party who was ruling this country was under the leader ship of a European Woman, Antonia Maino a.k.a Sonia G who later became Indian Citizen. The bitching policies of Congress and coalition politics slowed the growth and created voids in larger frame work of nation building.

    Not blaming on politics..but politics has larger parts to play which cant be discounted.
    Now we have a very functional Govt and its picking pace.!
     
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    jouni Senior Member Senior Member

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    LOL, one thing we have common: we both remember our glorious past. Finland Nokia and Winter War and India glorious civilization thousand years ago...
     
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    sorcerer Senior Member Senior Member

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    Giant countries have its own giant problems which cant be solved by a "few" decades.
    India is a country which is very diverse. Every few Kms there is difference in culture, food habits, Different states speak altogether different language then vector in the top level which is religion..a diverse palette of religion.

    What does this mean?
    This means a very complex political stage, A very complex psych and culture alliance and dynamics in politics.

    What does it make?
    A very complex brew of politics and policies governed by mutual appeasing known in todays world as 'Coalition politics'. Such a state of politics cannot be avoided in our geography which is very diverse.

    I think your world which is Finland doesnt have such complex coalition politics. The west will be shitting bricks (Literally) if one of their politician is asked to man the Indian politics for just one day. Even your eminent politician wont be able to take the challenge of the political scenario of many Asian Countries.

    IF you say, the Europeans ruled these parts at one time, doesn’t hold water as the state was not democracy then. One reason why Europeans chose to stay out of India is because they wont be able to handle the democracy here without getting slapped at every corner. Yes, We Indians are very expressive in our democratic endeavors.

    A 1000 year old civilization does not happen just like that.. Its a heritage that has stood the test of time over eons ..not centuries and stayed live and large. Its a collective psych, if you like it or not, its the Indian mode of survival. The pride and self esteem of every Indian is very much indebted to that very fact.

    Then why is INdia not as progressive..
    Well, thats the political reality after gaining independence- Geographic Diversity, Coalition... Such large diverse state of affairs requires a certain chaos before changes are adapted.
     
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    salute Senior Member Senior Member

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    maybe it was and its well written in history and archaeology,but like you said that tale was thousands of years ago.
     
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    To make in India, people should be given required sources and packages to attract recruitment. Lack of resources & packages offered is driving away people to foreign countries. Somebody have predicted that by 2050, people around the world will start applying for VISA for India. We need to start and this is the time to make it right.
     

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