Time to conduct megaton weapon test

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Hi friends, with the tensions increasing between India and china i think its time we called the chinese bluff by conducting tests of few weapon systems and taking such measures as may be required to augment our preparedness for war.

1. Test H Bombs with yeild at least 5 Megatons

This will send a strong messages to loud mouth commies that India is prepared to go any lengths to safeguard its sovereignty and that any misadventure by china will be a suicidal for the commies.

2. Test an ASAT weapon
Now I dont know what exactly can this weapon can do and how effective and significant can this weapon system be in a war but since china has already this weapon in its arsenal so should we. It is expected to destroy the enemy satellite systems thereby disrupting their communication systems and hence it can be an effective weapon of war. India seems to have developed a countermeasure against this weapon system which is called 'satellite on move' system.

But it is not the only such system in the world, there are other such system too which are operational with few other nations.

3. Test Agni 6 and K5


With the tests of surface launched A6 and submarine launched K5(naval Agni 5) we can demonstrate our ability to reduce any city of china to a nuclear wasteland even if we fire them from as far as east africa coast.

4. Augment our military industrial complex


Sadly our defence manufacturing is pitifully slow in the hands of sarkari babus who are doing their jobs in the sarkari way. We cannot trust these 'sarkari naukars' with the lives of our soldiers. We need to privatise defence manufacturing with strict quality control and deliveries in a timely manner.

We have got to boost the production of scorpenes, MKIs, Arihant class SSBNs and procurement of M 777 and other necessary military hardware. Next we should make the training of our troops more rigourous to harden them even further so that they shhot staraighter and quicker than the porkies and the gong feis.

Gentlemen, the war is coming.
 

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Hi friends, with the tensions increasing between India and china i think its time we called the chinese bluff by conducting tests of few weapon systems and taking such measures as may be required to augment our preparedness for war.

1. Test H Bombs with yeild at least 5 Megatons

This will send a strong messages to loud mouth commies that India is prepared to go any lengths to safeguard its sovereignty and that any misadventure by china will be a suicidal for the commies.

2. Test an ASAT weapon
Now I dont know what exactly can this weapon can do and how effective and significant can this weapon system be in a war but since china has already this weapon in its arsenal so should we. It is expected to destroy the enemy satellite systems thereby disrupting their communication systems and hence it can be an effective weapon of war. India seems to have developed a countermeasure against this weapon system which is called 'satellite on move' system.

But it is not the only such system in the world, there are other such system too which are operational with few other nations.

3. Test Agni 6 and K5


With the tests of surface launched A6 and submarine launched K5(naval Agni 5) we can demonstrate our ability to reduce any city of china to a nuclear wasteland even if we fire them from as far as east africa coast.

4. Augment our military industrial complex


Sadly our defence manufacturing is pitifully slow in the hands of sarkari babus who are doing their jobs in the sarkari way. We cannot trust these 'sarkari naukars' with the lives of our soldiers. We need to privatise defence manufacturing with strict quality control and deliveries in a timely manner.

We have got to boost the production of scorpenes, MKIs, Arihant class SSBNs and procurement of M 777 and other necessary military hardware. Next we should make the training of our troops more rigourous to harden them even further so that they shhot staraighter and quicker than the porkies and the gong feis.

Gentlemen, the war is coming.
The first condition of test is that everything should be ready to test and in case of H bomb test, lots of thing must be reevaluated including the international relations and cooperation and political elite must have guts to handle the political fall out.
 

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The first condition of test is that everything should be ready to test and in case of H bomb test, lots of thing must be reevaluated including the international relations and cooperation and political elite must have guts to handle the political fall out.
May be get ready to face isolation.

Correct me though.
 

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2nd & 3rd actions seem to be viable, 1st is somewhat more aggressive which could land us in an uncomfortable situation, 4th has no impact on short term goals.
 

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Oh hell no... Don't do any tests as of now.

Wait... If we have war, defeat China first, then test all kinds of weapons as show after the very next day of victory.

Now coming to international relations; we can say that China started war, we also want China to know what we are capable off. We can hold our ground saying that these tests are to ditter China.

But International Isolation or not, ASEAN countries will increase relationship as we defeated China. Similar might happen with Japan, SK and maybe Africa.

3 yrs(at most) down the line, whole world might come back due to economic growth.

Thus I rest my case
 

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lets do it. There is no need to be afraid of fallout. US, Russia, UK, France, China is openly allowed to have weaponised nukes with no checks and balance so why not India? Whole NPT was created to keep India away from being a nuclear power by Uncle Sam.

There has been so much talk about US-India friendship. Lets put this friendship to test. Lets see who is our real friend and who is pulling wool in our eyes.
 

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One has to understand deterrence before making any assumptions vis a vis conducting Nukes.

The deference is in place and working.

We must not revisit a matter that has been already settled.
 

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Anti-satellite weapon comes under space weapons test ban. India is signatory to it. It's called peaceful use of space technology or something like that. Even China is a signatory, as far as I can remember, just like they slipped in their nuclear text just a year before the NPT was signed, they did the same with the anti-satellite weapon by demonstrating their capability just a few months before this space convention was signed. This was said by none other than Ajit Doval.


India missed the nuclear train, and then space weapon train so now it has to be done against global norms.

I am sure it is right there in our chain of escalation if things go south, first diplomacy, then tactical skirmishes, then theater level war and if matters still don't settle down, then thermonuclear test. I doubt the government will do a test out of the blue. With a good excuse, we might even get a free pass for testing it, provided the global opinion is against China at the time we test.

All said and done, we were in worse condition when we did the first test, so it should not bother us now. Find a good time/excuse and test it. Meanwhile, use the threat of a test as a diplomatic bargaining tool against USA. Everyone knows that if India does a test, then many other nations will want to start doing their own tests, which will shift balance of power and the US will be concerned with it.

They should be covertly told, if China/Pakistan crosses so and so red line, we will do a nuclear test, then don't blame us.
2nd & 3rd actions seem to be viable, 1st is somewhat more aggressive which could land us in an uncomfortable situation, 4th has no impact on short term goals.
 
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The first condition of test is that everything should be ready to test and in case of H bomb test, lots of thing must be reevaluated including the international relations and cooperation and political elite must have guts to handle the political fall out.
We are not going to become a member of NSG anyway, take america into confidence and tell them its directed against the common enemy china and do it.
 

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Oh hell no... Don't do any tests as of now.

Wait... If we have war, defeat China first, then test all kinds of weapons as show after the very next day of victory.

Now coming to international relations; we can say that China started war, we also want China to know what we are capable off. We can hold our ground saying that these tests are to ditter China.

But International Isolation or not, ASEAN countries will increase relationship as we defeated China. Similar might happen with Japan, SK and maybe Africa.

3 yrs(at most) down the line, whole world might come back due to economic growth.

Thus I rest my case
We cannot afford to look weak, i do not even support mr. Doval visisting china. We should have responded to chinese military exercise in in tibet with our own military exercise in Aunanchal and ladakh.
 

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the best way to test and do experiment related to nuclear technology is to send ar nucler equipment or nuclear device to space make it travel to near jupiter and do the experiment there.

it's a big planet and very far such radiation will have no effect.
 

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the best way to test and do experiment related to nuclear technology is to send ar nucler equipment or nuclear device to space make it travel to near jupiter and do the experiment there.

it's a big planet and very far such radiation will have no effect.
Okay. Testing Nuclear weapons on another planet is not equivalent to weaponizing space, as we would be testing in atmosphere of another planet not in space, and it is not violating any current treaties, as current treaties states nothing about testing weapons on another planets. Further there won't be any harmful effects to environment.

To test nuclear weapon on Jupiter we want most bang per bucks so we want most yield to weight ratio.


This means we want anything with yield from .1 kt/kg to 5 kt/kg . Assuming that we want to test a 5MT weapon , so these means nuclear weapon payload would be from 50000 kg - 10000 kg. But then we also require exta monitoring and data collection equipment along with the payload adding extra 2000 kg - 3000 kg easily to the payload.

Jupiter is really far, 630 million kilometers , even Mars, planet where we have already reached, is 77 million kilometers at closet.

GSLV mark III can carry only 4000 kg to Geostationary Transfer orbit.



This is quite impossible with current technological progress we have.
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Wont mind any of this, GOI screwed up on CAG, less speak, better we are.

Lets wait and watch, BTW bad show GOI. NSA has no idea what CAG report has ? Fire either or both. We have been played around.
 

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Okay. Testing Nuclear weapons on another planet is not equivalent to weaponizing space, as we would be testing in atmosphere of another planet not in space, and it is not violating any current treaties, as current treaties states nothing about testing weapons on another planets. Further there won't be any harmful effects to environment.

To test nuclear weapon on Jupiter we want most bang per bucks so we want most yield to weight ratio.


This means we want anything with yield from .1 kt/kg to 5 kt/kg . Assuming that we want to test a 5MT weapon , so these means nuclear weapon payload would be from 50000 kg - 10000 kg. But then we also require exta monitoring and data collection equipment along with the payload adding extra 2000 kg - 3000 kg easily to the payload.

Jupiter is really far, 630 million kilometers , even Mars, planet where we have already reached, is 77 million kilometers at closet.

GSLV mark III can carry only 4000 kg to Geostationary Transfer orbit.



This is quite impossible with current technological progress we have.
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1) In space all these measurement and units would need to be rearranged.

I repeat on Jupiter the gravity is 3 times stronger than earth. So 1m³ of sphere which weighs 1 kg on earth would weight 3 kg on Jupiter.

2) 5 MT device does not mean that it weighs 5MT. It mean 500000 kg of tnt. power in joules. In actual it may weight below 800kg.

3) It's a good project and it will provide jobs and lots of work atleast they can try. And when completed they can test. India is although not going to experiment the device in next 20 years.
 
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Lf we need to test ASAT and A3 with MIRV, A6.
MIRV tech has been demonstrated with the record satellite launches all IRBM's india has can be potential
ASAT weapons. K-15 has also been rumored to be possibly MIRV'd?
 

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1) In space all these measurement and units would need to be rearranged.

I repeat on Jupiter the gravity is 3 times stronger than earth. So 1m³ of sphere which weighs 1 kg on earth would weight 3 kg on Jupiter.
Values provided in the information above are respect to Earth and in the project calibration of the monitoring devices can be done either in relation with Earth or any other planets gravity which can be correlated to Earth's gravity and atomsphere.

2) 5 MT device does not mean that it weighs 5MT. It mean 500000 kg of tnt. power in joules. In actual it may weight below 800kg.
That is what termed as yield to weight ratio, which is what I have used in information above.

3) It's a good project and it will provide jobs and lots of work atleast they can try. And when completed they can test. India is although not going to experiment the device in next 20 years.
I highly suspect that. If successful, return of project will only yield after 20 years and amount of resources it require are far greater than its yield. Testing the bomb in coming 5 years and facing sanctions for next 3 years is far more economical.
 

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