Tibetans stand trial over self-immolations

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At least people want to visit Tibet, unlike Indian occupied kashmir where IA digging massgraves everyday. There are travel warnings to go there. Is there any on Tibet and Xinjiang?
It appears that you are like a horse with blinkers on. It means you cannot see left and right.

Foreigners don't visit Kashmir?

You must be daft and blind.

They visit Kashmir for its beauty.

They visit Tibet out of curiosity and to see first hand the repression done by the Han and the change of demography.

In Kashmir, no one but Kashmiris can own land.

There is no travel warning to go to Kashmir. They are only in your CCP propaganda head!
 

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That is because they saw how they failed spectacularly. Of course indians backtracked then. They would be fools to try seeing the fate of tibetans.
Like you said yourself, sir. nothing wrong with wiki as long as you know what source they are using.
Good to see you backing Wiki for a change.

Just don't forget that and change as the wind and woman's mind changes, as the saying goes.

Nothing backfired.

We have suffered Nehru and his idealism.

Things are different as we have shown you on three occasions thereafter and that is why China behaves like the thunder clouds. It growls and can do nothing more!
 

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It appears that you are like a horse with blinkers on. It means you cannot see left and right.

Foreigners don't visit Kashmir?

You must be daft and blind.

They visit Kashmir for its beauty.

They visit Tibet out of curiosity and to see first hand the repression done by the Han and the change of demography.

In Kashmir, no one but Kashmiris can own land.

There is no travel warning to go to Kashmir. They are only in your CCP propaganda head!
No travel warnings to go to Kashmir? Indian propaganda at its best. LOL

The Department of State strongly recommends that you avoid travel to the state of Jammu & Kashmir (with the exception of visits to the eastern Ladakh region and its capital, Leh) because of the potential for terrorist incidents, as well as violent public unrest.

India

Unlike your fantasies. I usually provide a source for my statements.
 

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Good to see you backing Wiki for a change.

Just don't forget that and change as the wind and woman's mind changes, as the saying goes.

Nothing backfired.

We have suffered Nehru and his idealism.

Things are different as we have shown you on three occasions thereafter and that is why China behaves like the thunder clouds. It growls and can do nothing more!
The only thing that change is your own mind. From tibetan self-immolations to discussion of wiki. But dont worry,

Just don't forget that and change as the wind and woman's mind changes, as the saying goes.

The only thing you showed China is how India got bypassed by China since the 80s. Recall Indian economy was bigger than Chinas in the 50s.
 

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No travel warnings to go to Kashmir? Indian propaganda at its best. LOL

The Department of State strongly recommends that you avoid travel to the state of Jammu & Kashmir (with the exception of visits to the eastern Ladakh region and its capital, Leh) because of the potential for terrorist incidents, as well as violent public unrest.

India

Unlike your fantasies. I usually provide a source for my statements.
The only thing that change is your own mind. From tibetan self-immolations to discussion of wiki. But dont worry,

Just don't forget that and change as the wind and woman's mind changes, as the saying goes.

The only thing you showed China is how India got bypassed by China since the 80s. Recall Indian economy was bigger than Chinas in the 50s.
Travel warnings from foreign western nations is not new?

They are cautious.

But are there travel warnings now?

Economy is not bliss.

Bliss it is for the Communist satraps who reap a golden harvest.

The poor struggle.

Not been seeing ,mu posts and threads?

I am known in forums that I am on to be giving links, including Wiki that upsets the Chinese and you, and not delving in fantasy as you do!
 
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Travel warnings from foreign western nations is not new?

They are cautious.

But are there travel warnings now?

Economy is not bliss.

Bliss it is for the Communist satraps who reap a golden harvest.

The poor struggle.

Not been seeing ,mu posts and threads?

I am known in forums that I am on to be giving links, including Wiki that upsets the Chinese and you, and not delving in fantasy as you do!
Put on your glasses, ray. They are new and I provided the links. I love to bust your made up stories. No travel warnings on kashmir, hahahhahahahahahah.
 

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Laugh at the world laughs at you.

But cry and you are crying alone.



Kashmir Valley sees unprecedented tourists rush in off-season
Free Press Kashmir, Tuesday, 29 Jan 2013



SRINAGAR, Nov 11: Tourists seem undeterred by the prevalent chill in Kashmir, as they are thronging the Valley in large numbers during the off-season.
An unprecedented rush in tourist arrivals was witnessed in the Valley in September and October, which are usually considered off-season for tourism in Kashmir, Deputy Director of Tourism (Publicity) Azmat Ali told PTI.
"As many as 64,000 tourists visited Kashmir in the month of September and 69,000 in October," Ali said. And it is not just domestic tourists, but foreigners as well who are visiting the Valley though in lesser, but significant numbers.
Ali put the number of foreign tourists visiting the Valley in September at 2,950 and in October at 2,864.
"The number of foreign tourists is less, but we expect the number to pick up in the coming months as, during winter season, more and more foreigners visit the Valley for adventure tourism," he said.
On an average, he said, 2,100 tourists were visiting Kashmir daily. He said this year, around 11,65,000 tourists visited the Valley, 31,461 of them being foreigners.
Popular destinations like Pahalgam, Gulmarg and Sonamarg are attracting tourists in large numbers even during the lean season, which has surprised many.
"It is unusual to see such a huge rush of tourists in this season," Mohammad Abdullah, a houseboat owner said, adding "it is very good for the business community and the state's economy."

Kashmir Valley sees unprecedented tourists rush in off-season - Free Press Kashmir

I will put on my glasses but you require eye transplants.
 
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What is the latest propaganda you have been assigned to deliver by the CPC?
 

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@iceberg

What is the latest propaganda you have been assigned to deliver by the CPC?
This is certainly rich coming from a guy who claimed there are no travel warnings on kashimir. The crown of propaganda belongs to you, sir. I can understand it though. We know for a fact that you receive money from the indian government.

Or are you gonna deny this fact?:p
 

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Travel advisory is are given by Govts from time to time to advise their national about travelling in foreign countries. It is also indicative of the general law and order situation and extraordinary situation is reported when war clouds are seen in the horizon or when there is a chance of problems in law and order.

You may see the travel advisory on Tibet by the British Govt that appears in perpetuity.

It appears that you cannot read English since it appears that you have missed the article on tourists in Kashmir.

It appears that you are not aware what is and when is a travel advisory given..

Here is a typical travel advisory. This is from the UK Govt.

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Still current at: 29 January 2013
Updated: 23 January 2013


This advice has been reviewed and reissued with amendments to the Health section (revised advice about air pollution). The overall level of the advice has not changed; there are no travel restrictions in place in this travel advice for China, though the Chinese authorities periodically limit access to Tibetan areas

Territorial disputes between China and neighbouring countries during 2012 caused high regional tension and there were a number of demonstrations, notably anti-Japan demonstrations in several cities across China. The protests generally targeted Japanese interests, but general anti-foreign sentiment may also run high. You should avoid becoming caught up in any public demonstrations, otherwise you may become a target or face arrest, deportation or detention.


You should exercise particular caution in Tibet Autonomous Region and Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region. See Domestic Unrest.


You should not attempt to travel to Tibet without the appropriate permits. The Chinese authorities periodically restrict access to Tibet without notice. See Tibet.


Foreign nationals over the age of 16 must carry their passport at all times. You must register your place of residence with the local Public Security Bureau within 24 hours of arrival. If you stay in a hotel, your registration is done as part of the check-in process. Police carry out random checks and may detain you if you do not hold a valid visa or work permit.

There is a general threat from terrorism.

China travel advice


Be aware, particularly in the popular tourist areas of major cities, of attempts to scam tourists. A regular example is the 'Tea Tasting' scam. Scams usually involve a foreign national being invited to visit a bar / shop / cafe - for example to "practice English" or meet a girl - but results in demands for an exorbitant fee, often payable by credit card. This can result in threats of violence or credit card fraud.

In 2010, there were a number of violent attacks on school children at school premises in the mainland resulting in children and adults being killed or injured. A further similar attack took place in Henan Province in December 2012. The authorities have implemented improved security across schools. Should you have concerns about safety issues, contact the relevant school.

Commercial disputes in China are rarely handled through the civil law courts. Incidents of British nationals being detained against their will for extorting money or intimidation for other gains have increased. It is rare that violence is actually instigated. However, the threat of violence is a recurring theme and has proved very stressful for our nationals. You should report threats of violence to the Chinese police.

The poor quality of roads and generally low driving standards lead to many accidents. If you are involved in a serious accident, you may be prevented from leaving the country or detained until the case is resolved. Traffic accidents generally attract a large crowd of bystanders, some of whom may take sides (usually against the foreigner)

Tibet
There appear to be severe restrictions in place at the current time on foreign nationals travelling to Tibet.

Foreign nationals wishing to travel to the Tibet Autonomous Region must apply for a Tibet Entry Permit issued by the Tibetan Tourism Bureau. You may also require other permits for travel to particular areas of Tibet Autonomous Region, for example border areas.

Applications for Tibet Entry Permits can only be made through specialised travel agents based in China and travel can only be undertaken through organised tours. The Chinese authorities periodically suspend issuing Tibet Entry Permits to foreign nationals, and may also restrict travel to the region by those who have already obtained a permit. These restrictions can happen at any time, but in particular during sensitive periods, especially around February and March, coinciding with the Tibetan new year festival and the anniversary of certain uprisings in Tibet. Travellers to Tibet should check with tour operators or travel agents and monitor this travel advice and other media for information about travel to Tibet.

Ongoing political and ethnic tensions can lead to unrest and violent protest in Tibet. While foreigners are not normally targeted during unrest, travellers should be alert to the possibility of being caught up in unexpected demonstrations or outbreaks of violence. Local authorities will react negatively if you are found carrying letters or packages from Tibetan nationals to be posted in other countries.

The extreme altitude in Tibet may cause altitude sickness.

Photography in Buddhist monasteries requires permission; a fee, normally negotiated in advance, is payable.


China travel advice
 
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You require permits to go to Tibet and Xinjiang and you require to go in an authorised group with a travel guide who is actually the Chinese minder!

That is no so in Kashmir.

It is unfortunate that you have a one track mind and you are not well read apart from what the CCP advises.

UK has rescinded the travel advisory that cautioned its citizens visiting Kashmir.

But it has not done so for Tibet and XInjiang and its advisory continues to be current and updated.
 
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Please note

From UK Govt Travel advisory on Travel to China


You should exercise particular caution in Tibet Autonomous Region and Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region. See Domestic Unrest.


You should not attempt to travel to Tibet without the appropriate permits. The Chinese authorities periodically restrict access to Tibet without notice. See Tibet.

Foreign nationals over the age of 16 must carry their passport at all times. You must register your place of residence with the local Public Security Bureau within 24 hours of arrival. If you stay in a hotel, your registration is done as part of the check-in process.
Police carry out random checks and may detain you if you do not hold a valid visa or work permit.


There is a general threat from terrorism.

China travel advice
 
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You require permits to go to Tibet and Xinjiang and you require to go in an authorised group with a travel guide who is actually the Chinese minder!

Yet they choose to travel to Tibet instead of Kashmir. :rofl:

Tibet received 21.25 million domestic and foreign tourists in between 2006 and 2010, generating $3.58 billion in income for the country. China Forbids International Tourism to Tibet Indefinitely - ABC News
Indeed, many visit the Zoo and not museums and historical places!

I don't deny that.

That is no so in Kashmir.

It is unfortunate that you have a one track mind and you are not well read apart from what the CCP advises.

UK has rescinded the travel advisory that cautioned its citizens visiting Kashmir.

Good that you finally admit your attempt at misleading people by claiming there is no travel warnings issued there.
But it has not done so for Tibet and XInjiang and its advisory continues to be current and updated.
Travel advisories takes place all the time. What's new about that?

But it is reviewed as in the case of Kashmir.

The point to note is that is remains unchanged for Tibet and Xinjaing

So is the travel warnings regarding Kashmir. It seems you are the one having problems reading english. Those warnings are updated one.
It has been reviewed and there is no such warning as for Tibet and Xinjaing.

If you were abreast with the times and read beyond your CCP diktats, you would have realised it.

As far as English is concerned, I find that you are deficient in comprehension or that your attention span is low or you are but a robotic replicator of the CCP propaganda views!
 
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Tibetans should study the Jewish Revolt against the Romans.

First Jewish–Roman War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The First Jewish–Roman War (66–73 CE), sometimes called The Great Revolt (Hebrew: המרד הגדול, ha-Mered Ha-Gadol, Latin: Primum Iudæorum Romani Bellum.), was the first of three major rebellions by the Jews of Judaea Province (Iudaea), against the Roman Empire. The second was the Kitos War in 115–117 CE; the third was Bar Kokhba's revolt of 132–135 CE).
 

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Indeed, many visit the Zoo and not museums and historical places!

I don't deny that.



Travel advisories takes place all the time. What's new about that?

But it is reviewed as in the case of Kashmir.

The point to note is that is remains unchanged for Tibet and Xinjaing



It has been reviewed and there is no such warning as for Tibet and Xinjaing.

If you were abreast with the times and read beyond your CCP diktats, you would have realised it.

As far as English is concerned, I find that you are deficient in comprehension or that your attention span is low or you are but a robotic replicator of the CCP propaganda views!
You sounds like a broken typerecorder, ray. The fact is you lied about no travel warnings for Kashmir.
There are travel warnings for Kashmir and they remain unchanged as of now.

If you dont know the difference of restricted movement in Tibet and warnings of getting killed in indian occupied Kashmir, then I am not about to explain. ROFL.

Here, read and cry.
Still current at: 30 January 2013
Updated: 22 January 2013


India travel advice
We advise against all travel to Jammu and Kashmir with the exception of the cities of Jammu and Srinagar, travel between these two cities on the Jammu-Srinagar highway, and the region of Ladakh.

In bold too since you have problems with reading,.
 

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Tibetans should study the Jewish Revolt against the Romans.

First Jewish–Roman War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Jewish-Roman wars had an epic impact on the Jews, turning them from a major population in the Eastern Mediterranean into a scattered and persecuted minority. The events also had a major impact on Judaism, as the central worship site of Judaism, the Temple in Jerusalem, was destroyed by Titus' troops.

Much good it did for them. Not sure they are a good exempel.
 

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You sounds like a broken typerecorder, ray. The fact is you lied about no travel warnings for Kashmir.
There are travel warnings for Kashmir and they remain unchanged as of now.

If you dont know the difference of restricted movement in Tibet and warnings of getting killed in indian occupied Kashmir, then I am not about to explain. ROFL.

Here, read and cry.
Still current at: 30 January 2013
Updated: 22 January 2013


India travel advice
We advise against all travel to Jammu and Kashmir with the exception of the cities of Jammu and Srinagar, travel between these two cities on the Jammu-Srinagar highway, and the region of Ladakh.

In bold too since you have problems with reading,.
I am not a broken tape. I am merely aware of what is a travel advisory, which apparently you are not aware of being steeped in being encapsuled in the Pavlovian dog condition.

Please understand:

1. In Kashmir anyone can come. There is no restrictions. There are no direction that they have to come accompanied by a 'tourist guide' as in Tibet and Xinjinag. In short, one is free to roam around. There could be terrorists in the rural areas. India has some control, but not cannot stop the Pakistani sponsored terrorist sneaking in. The foreigners can still go there, but at their own risk. There is no embargo going anywhere. In Tibet and Xinjiang, the Chinese minders, masquerading as tourist guides ensure that none stray.

2. It shows India is a FREE country and it is NOT AFRAID in showing India as it is. CHINA IS AFRAID TO SHOW ITS TRUE AND REAL COLOURS!

3. In China, Tinet and Xinjiang are a no go and RANDOM CHECKS BY THE POLICE TO HARASS IS A PART OF THE ISSUE. That is no so in Kashmir. We have nothing to hide and nothing to explain to anyone no matter what the tourist take back home as their experience.
 

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This is China

Tibet Travel Permit Update Released on Jan 22nd, 2013

This morning, all in a sudden, the Tibet tourism bureau announced that the travel permit is stopped issuing at least until end of March and they will release an update by then.

2013 Latest information on Tibet Travel Permit, Tibet visa

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Show that this happens in India!
 

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Tibet Permit Update in July 2012

As the Tibet permit restrictions are changing timely without any prior notice, so there are lots of rumors about the Tibet travel permit, anyhow the latest permit restriction released from the Tibet Tourism Bureau confirmed as below;

1. All the groups entering Tibet through Nepal can get the Tibet travel permit, but the group should have 5 people or more than that.

2. Generally, if the group come to Tibet from mainland China, then it is impossible to get the permit, but if the group is bigger than 5 or more people, then we can apply for the group visa invitation from Tibet Tourism Bureau here in Lhasa, then will send a e copy by email, then a group visa for the whole group can be obtained from the Chinese Embassy. So then the group can enter Tibet through Mainland China. But be informed that, if it is group visa then all the members listed in the group visa should enter and exit China together.

The above restrictions are came into practice since from 24th June, but no one knows how long that restriction will last and what changes will apply in the coming months, so we will update the first hand information of the permit on our website.


2013 Latest information on Tibet Travel Permit, Tibet visa

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Utter idiocy of a Police State that is afraid of its own people wherein foreigners have to travel in a group to visit a part of China along with a minder!

In India, you can, as a foreigner travel individually and anywhere!

Got the difference.

In real terms, it means you are scared of YOUR OWN PEOPLE SPILLING THE BEANS while we don't care!

We are a democracy and not a Police State as is China!
 

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