Tibetan singer jailed for encouraging people to learn Tibetan

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  1. Ray

    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    To imagine that one cannot encourage one to learn his own language!

    What other atrocities the Chinese perpetuate in Tibet or Xinjiang, one can never know as this article clearly indicates that journalists are restricted entry into these areas and some of the Chinese posters compare themselves with the issues of Kashmir!

    Where foreign journalists and tourists can visit anywhere in India and write anything about India, China is but a prison house and the Chinese have the temerity to compare with India.

    What cheek.
     
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    Is this the chinese peaceful rise?
    :D
     
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    This looks quite similar to historical Chinese policies of Sinticization of conquered people.
     
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    i think they are compare in term of economy, living standard, rather than freedom of expression. the problem with tibetan/xinjiang is they try to be independent, you dont see these kind thing happen with other 50 ethnic miniority in china. i went to inner mongol, all the shop are in han and mongol writting, same with road name etc.
    the more tibet/xinjian try to push independent the more CCP will crash down.

    Yunnan province home of 30+ miniority is open to everyone, because none of those miniority are asking for independence
     
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    One sees the zeal and zest of the Tibetan and Uighurs to preserve their natural identity is because they have still not been Sinicised.

    The other 'minorities' have been Sinicised and they are, for all practical purpose, Hans in thinking, language and even culture.

    Sinicisation or Zhōngguóhuà, is a process whereby non-Han Chinese societies have been brought under the influence of dominant Han Chinese state and society. This type of nationalism was/ is aimed at strengthening of the Chinese identity among population. Proponents believed/ believe that integration will help to develop shared values, pride in being the country’s citizen, respect and acceptance towards cultural differences among citizens of China, which would have been dissolved. This type of integration destroys ethnic diversity, language diversity, and cultural diversity.

    That is because they are too many disparate ethnic groups and not of a common ethnicity to demand anything.
     
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    i disagree, because i have been to yunan and tibet, the people in yunan miniority keep their ethnic culture, not only they dress different their worship, festival etc is different. but obviously to someone whos anti-china, you will think differently
     
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    In your own quote, "“Authorities accuse him of singing songs that have political overtones,” the site reported, adding that Yarphel’s music arranger was also sentenced to two years in jail."

    And considering the fact that Tibetan is a compulsory class for every Tibetan children in the public schools in Tibetan area funded by Chinese authority, I don't think she was sentenced for "encouraging" people to learn their own language.
     
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    They have been converted to believe in Hànhuà

    The Ethnic Autonomous Regions are as follows
    TABLE 1 CHINA’S FIVE PROVINCIAL-LEVEL ETHNIC
    AUTONOMOUS REGIONS
    Name Set-up Capital Area Population Population Percentage
    (1000 (million) of Ethnic of Ethnic
    sq km) Minorities Minorities (%)
    Inner Mongolia 1 May Hohhot 1,183 23.9 5.2 21.6
    Autonomous Region 1947
    Xinjiang Uyghur 1 Oct Urumqi 1,650 20.1 12.1 60.4
    Autonomous Region 1955
    Guangxi Zhuang 15 Mar Nanning 236 49.25 19.0 38.54
    Autonomous Region 1958
    Ningxia Hui 25 Oct Yinchuan 66.4 5.96 2.1 35.98
    Autonomous Region 1958
    Tibet Autonomous 1 Sep Lhasa 1,228 2.76 2.6 93.48
    Region 1965
    Sources: Wang and Chen, Minzu qiuyu zizhuzhidu de fazhan, p. 227; China Statistical
    Yearbook 2006, Beijing: China Statistical Press, 2006, p. 45.
    http://www.eai.nus.edu.sg/Vol1No3_LaiHongyi.pdf

    Heard of the Zhuang people, who are also from Yunan?

    With the Buyi, Tay–Nùng, and other northern Tai speakers, they are sometimes known as the Rau or Rao. They are second only to the Han Chinese and that makes the Zhuang the largest minority in China.

    Check this link below to see how the Han have Sinicised the Zhuang, who are/ were animists.
    Link
     
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    Really? Encouraging people to learn their own language?

    You surely live in a fantasy.

    Here is some home truths that the CCP hid from you when pandering fantastic claims.

     
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    Did you even read your own link?

    This paper proved that Tibetan language is quite popular in Tibetan education system.

    Quote from your own link:

    "protests were over a government overhaul of the curriculum that reduced the use of the Tibetan language in schools, making Chinese the language of the classroom."

    Which means that Tibetan language is using in schools.

    You can accuse that CCP is trying to push Mandarin education. But saying they object people learning Tibetan language is just a lie.
     
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    What is reduced?

    Why reduce?


    Also see below to understand the social and economic effects the 'reduction' has.

    Cultural Genocide in Tibet? A Look at China's Linguistic Policies and Possible Breaches on International Law

    One area of concern has been the rights of Tibetans to use their own language. Language is an essential part of a person’s individual identity and their sense of community.

    According to Joseph Gromacki:
    Language is intrinsically linked to the development of both an individual human consciousness and a sense of group or cultural identity. Therefore the protection of linguistic rights becomes essential to the protection of human dignity.

    Since the invasion of Tibet in 1949, the Chinese government has placed an increasing number of limits upon the use of the Tibetan language in the TAR. One reason for these limits has been the PRC’s policy of population transfer. The Chinese government has been encouraging ethnic Han Chinese to move to Tibet by offering incentives such as better housing, employment opportunities and higher salaries. This has resulted in large scale migration of ethnic Chinese to the TAR, which has significantly impacted upon the use of Tibetan in the region.

    As more Chinese move in, the PRC has implemented policies which prioritise the use of Mandarin, also known as Putonghua, over the use of the traditional Tibetan language. One area in which the PRC has prioritized the use of Mandarin over Tibetan is in public sector employment. People wishing to gain employment in the public sector in Tibet must sit an exam written in Mandarin. Many Tibetans are unable
    to pass this exam as they have limited skills in speaking or writing Mandarin, particularly when compared to ethnic Chinese for whom it is their first language. As such, their ability to enter the public sector is greatly diminished. This has resulted in a loss of employment opportunities to many Tibetans, and a fairly obvious form of favouritism for ethnic Han Chinese in public employment positions.

    Read more at Cultural Genocide in Tibet? A Look at China's Linguistic Policies and Possible Breaches on International Law��»ï¿½ï¿½Brill Online
     
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    No matter what you put on, there is one fact you can't deny: Tibetan children are learning Tibetan language in the public schools of Tibetan area.
    This fact is against your claim that China is sentencing people for encouraging to learn Tibetan.
     
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    That is not what is known to the world.

    Can anyone get a Govt job who does not understand Mandarin?

    Isn't that a dubious and devious way to carry out cultural and linguistic genocide and Sinicise the people?
     
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    Don't argue with Ray anymore. Already know what he gonna claim any way. He argue China won't allow foreigner into Tibet yet he says everybody knows whats going on in Tibet. The two arguments has conflict. Anyway just ignore him at least I've been to Tibet and know what's like.
     
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    In Australia, there is no one is getting a govt job without understanding English.
    Does that also mean that Australia is carrying out cultural and linguistic genocide against aboriginal Australian?

    As I said, you can accuse that Chinese gov is not doing enough to protect the minority culture, but you can't claim that they are forcing minorities not to learn their own language.
     
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    Australia is a country where English has been the language ever since the prisoners were sent there from England. There were no other language of Governance. There were 250 languages spoken by the Aboriginal Australians and were classified as Pama–Nyungan languages. There were no scripts. They were spoken languages.

    Hence, English became the language of the Government and governance.

    Australia is a country where English has been the language ever since the prisoners were sent there from England. There were no other language of Governance. There were 250 languages spoken by the Aboriginal Australians and were classified as Pama–Nyungan languages. There were no scripts. They were spoken languages.

    Hence, English became the language of the Government and governance.

    Compare that with Tibet.

    There is and was a Tibetan language and that was used for governance.

    Ever since the Chinese occupied Tibet, every ploy has been used to Han-ise the Tibetans and wipe out the Tibetan culture and language.

    Therefore, your contention is not valid.

    Nothing contradictory at all.

    Foreigners are not allowed to go into Tibet unless they are in a group and authorised to visit. They also have a 'guide', who actually is an officially approved 'minder'.

    I have indicated many a link when total traffic to Tibet or North Sichuan has been stopped and there are enough travel advisories of foreign nations on that issue.

    Of course, news still trickles out of the atrocities. You think there is no foreign HUMINT operating in Tibet. And there are always sympathisers of Free Tibet to pass information even though the Chinese Han Govt wants to gag the information.

    Your going to Tibet does not make you the last word, unless you are a Han Chinese who is also a Communist Govt agent.
     
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    No, Aboriginal Australians were here long before any british come. So, it was their land and their home.
    And they can communicate with each other through their own language.

    But today, their own language can't find a gov job for them on their own land.
    I don't see how is that different.
     

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