Tibetan PM for resumption of talks with China

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  1. huaxia rox

    huaxia rox Senior Member Senior Member

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    Tibetan PM for resumption of talks with China - The Times of India

    DHARAMSALA: Tibetan Prime Minister-in-exile Lobsang Sangay on Wednesday again insisted on early resumption of dialogue with China on the Tibet issue, but he blamed Beijing for igniting self-immolation protests in the country.

    "We are committed to the middle-way approach and the dialogue process to resolve the Tibet issue on the basis of mutual benefit," the elected head of the Central Tibetan Administration said here on completion of a year in office.

    He said the Tibetan Task Force on negotiations had met twice in the last eight months and would meet again in December to continue the dialogue process with the new Chinese leadership.

    "Prominent leaders, including the US secretary of state Hillary Clinton, called on the Chinese government to continue a serious dialogue on the issue of Tibet," said Sangay, who recently returned from the United States after meeting senior Obama administration officials including under secretary of state Maria Otero.

    The 43-year-old Sangay, who is educated at Harvard, took over the reins of the exile government from 74-year-old monk scholar Samdhong Rinpoche, who held the post for the past 10 years but was overshadowed by the Dalai Lama.

    With the Dalai Lama stepping down from diplomacy and active politics, the prime minister's post has acquired added stature.

    Expressing anguish over the spate of self-immolation incidents in Tibet, the prime minister asked the Tibetans to refrain from such drastic form of protest.

    "We hold the repressive policies of the Chinese government solely responsible for this tragic turn of events."

    A string of self-immolations took place in provinces of Sichuan and Qinghai bordering Tibet in the past year to press for return of the Dalai Lama to Tibet and restoration of freedom for Tibetans inside Tibet.

    As many as 46 people have reportedly killed themselves since March 2011.

    Sangay, who has never set his foot in Tibet, reiterated that the Tibetan cabinet would ensure the return of the Dalai Lama to Tibet, reunite the people and restore freedom in Tibet.
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    Indeed, the leaders should talk and give Tibet its autonomous status.

    But whenever the Tibetan want autonomous status, it is declared as being 'splittist'

    If China had not taken such a view and given autonomy, then the problem would have been solved eons ago!
     
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    badguy2000 Respected Member Senior Member

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    in fact, the "leaders" you called want several million Hans,Huis and Mongols in Qinghai,Sichuan ,Yunnan and Gansu to accept the rule of Tibetans,under the name of "a autonomous Tibet',although those several million Hans,Huis and Mongols have lived in Tibet for hundreds of years.


    Obviously, those several million Hans,Huis and Mongols would nevery accept it.
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    The change of demography in Tibet and Xinjiang is a recent phenomenon.

    Hans naturally will not accept, but the others too are fed up.

    Check Mongolia Inner.
     
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    It is a well known fact that PRC has been very busy altering the demographics of Tibet and East Turkmenistan ever since its illegal occupation.Beijing's
    efforts in emulating 19th century European colonialism will fail miserably.
     
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    no smoking Senior Member Senior Member

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    Obviously, you didn't read his words closely.
    He only mention "Qinghai, Sichuan, Yunan and Gansu" not Tibet.
    Do you know the history of these area. Obviously not.
    In history, these areas were the borders between Tibetan and Hans with some other minorities: such as Hui, Mongol. It is really hard to tell who owns them. But one thing for sure, Tibetan was not the one in most of time.

    And tell me what about Mongolia inner. How many Mongoles are seeking "independence" or "autonomous"?
     
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    huaxia rox Senior Member Senior Member

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    and actually all the mess now prc needs to clean in terms of tibet is due completely to the colonialism of the uk.....how ever 200 years ago the qing dynasty was pretty weak so brits got their ways but today china has become much more powerful than before and i m not saying the hurdles we need to overcome r few but at least we wont let foreigner invaders to get their dirty hands on tibet that easily again.....

    and all the clowns like those who as tibetans even claimming zangnan should belong to india rather than china should just stop dreamming their pipedream.........or just keep dreamming......
     
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    I hope that clears the cobwebs that are there of your understanding Tibetan and Chinese history.
     
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    Now, to give you a concise history of Inner Mongolia

    History

    Originally the southern part of Mongolia, Inner Mongolia was settled chiefly by the Tumet and Chahar tribes. From 1530 to 1583, Inner Mongolia was held by Anda (Altan Khan), chief of the Tumets, who harried N China and once besieged Beijing. After his death, Likdan Khan of the Chahars became (c.1605) ruler, but in 1635 he was defeated by the Manchus, who soon annexed Inner Mongolia. Under Manchu rule S Mongolia became known as Inner Mongolia; N Mongolia, conquered by the Manchus at the end of the 17th cent., became known as Outer Mongolia.

    Until 1911, Inner Mongolia was only under nominal Chinese rule; however, Chinese settlers in the region soon forced the Mongol tribes into the steppe and arid parts of the region. After the Revolution of 1911, Inner Mongolia became an integral part of the Chinese Republic. In 1928 it was divided among the Chinese provinces of Ningxia, Suiyuan, and Chahar. After the outbreak (1937) of the Sino-Japanese War, the Mongols of Suiyuan and Chahar established the Japanese-controlled state of Mengkiang or Mengjiang, with its capital at Guihua.

    The Chinese Communists, after their conquest of Inner Mongolia in 1945, supported the traditional aspirations of the Mongols for autonomy, and in May, 1947, the Inner Mongolian Autonomous Region—with limited powers of self-government within the Communist state—was formally proclaimed. It was the first autonomous region established by the Communist government.

    From 1949 to 1956 the area of the region was expanded through the incorporation of the former province of Suiyuan and parts of the provinces of Liaobei, Rehe, Chahar, and Gansu. Extensive boundary changes in 1969, however, considerably reduced the size of the province. The W Ala Shan desert region was given to Gansu and Ningxia Autonomous Region, and the northeast corner, which bordered on Russia, was divided between the Manchurian provinces. Hebei prov. also received a section of Inner Mongolia. These border changes were reversed in 1979, and the region was restored to its former size. Hohhot has been the capital since 1952; from 1947 to 1950 the capital was at Ulanhot (Ulan Hoto), and from 1950 to 1952 it was at Zhangjiakou (Kalgan; now in Hebei prov.).

    And here is just one protest and killing Hans.

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    For the past few years Inner Mongolia has been untroubled by the large-scale ethnic violence that has hit other Chinese frontier regions including Tibet in 2008 and Xinjiang in 2009. When I last visited Inner Mongolia in 2009 the region was enjoying a healthy influx of tourists. Some Chinese tourists like to visit the country’s less-developed border areas, and Inner Mongolia was seen as a safer alternative to Tibet or Xinjiang, where some recent protests have ended in attacks on Han Chinese. So far the Inner Mongolia protests have been largely peaceful. But the region’s image of as a bastion of calm is surely fading.

    Chinese Authorities Try to Limit Protests in Inner Mongolia | World | TIME.com

    Remember that we have free access to world news while you may not have the same freedom and so you know not what is happening around in China or the world!
     
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    no smoking Senior Member Senior Member

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    Sorry, what does map tell? Does it prove that those areas in above belongs to Tibetans only? Or does it prove any ethnic location in history?
    Can you at least give the source of this map so I can make some further research?
     
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    Well, you need to dig deeper:
    In Xingjing, those Uighurs are seeking independence;
    In Tiebt, the tibetans are protesting for economoic inequalty and religion;
    In Inner mongolia, they are rising against environment problem.
     
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    Pictures tell a thousand words to those who are not blind!
     
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    The Uighers are against China's policy of ‘Systematic Assimilation’. This is what was stated at the The World Uighur Congress in Japan. They accused the Chinese authorities of committing extra-judicial killings, economic exploitation, and destroying Uighur religion, culture, language and values. This is also the grouse of the Tibetans.

    I believe that Xinjiang means "new territory.

    On Inner Mongolia, here are some excerpts.

    50 years of turmoil
     

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