Tibet Continues to Burn

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  1. Ray

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    From what we learn from out worthy posters from China is that Tibet has amalgamated with China totally peacefully.

    But these self-immolation tell a different story.

    Why can't the Tibetans realise that China Loves Them?

    Why are they not becoming Hans?

    Others have become and they are Happy.

    Tibetans don't want to be happy?
     
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    Re: Tibetans warn of major protests as tension rises over Dolkar Tso’s self-immolat

    As a chinese poster, I don't see there is any Chinese poster make such a claim. What Chinese said is: there is problem in Tibet, but there is no way Tibetans can archieve their "true autonomous" as any chinese gov would make sure that won't happend at any cost.

    Yes, these self-immolation tell a sad story: they fail to inspire tibetan public to get into a war against Han. In 1959, just a few rumours could get 300,000 tibans to stand up. Today, after half year and more than 20 lives dead, how many tibetan insurgents we have seen now? ZERO!
    In other words, majority of tibetan public doesn't want to sacrifice everything for these political agenda. They want far more than empty political words: TV, Freezor, modern life style. And these lamas cann't give these.

    Who need them to love Chinese. They love money and they love having a modern life as much as anybody else. That is already enough for Chinese.
    Why should they are happy? 70% of Han Chineses are not happy about the speed of their living standard improvement. Why do we hope they are happy?
    Don't you think your question is awkard?
    The point is: as long as they focus on their living standard or their pocket, CCP or Chinese is confident enough to beat Dalai Lama.
     
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    Re: Tibetans warn of major protests as tension rises over Dolkar Tso’s self-immolat

    The Tibetans and Uighurs are not Han that they sell their values for money.

    Sadly, the Han has sold Mao and the till lately beloved policies of the Communist ideology and flipped over their head for MONEY.

    Money is important but then so is culture, language, values, identity. religion and so on. Some people feel that these aspects are equally important if not money than mere money and creature comforts.
     
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    Maybe the Chinese Govt is trying to wear them down by not doing anything to bring the situation under control.

    It does show that the Tibetans do not value Money with such yearning as the Hans and instead are more concerned about the identities, values, culture, language and religion.

    They fail to realise that for the Chinese, there is no other existence but becoming Hans.
     
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    tibetan separists in prc should learn the dalai lama....lead some good life on foreginer money in india or go get some help from CIA.....

    how come the dalai lama hasnt set himself on fire?? followers go 1st??? (of coz i m not saying all the so-called self-immolation things r real....but some indeed r....)
     
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    The Communist CCP leaders also enjoy good life through corruption and foreign banks stashing their ill gotten gains.

    I has posted the same earlier.

    Dalai Lama will not burn himself because that is what exactly China would be delighted about.

    He wants to remain a thorn in China's flesh! :)
     
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    a thorn in china claiming he wanna go back to chinas territory......thats interesting......we dont need him while he needs us........
     
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    maybe CIA can help him with a set of parachute......
     
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    I would not know who needs who.

    All I know is that the Dalai Lama has great influence in Tibet and is not letting the Chinese Govt and Han consolidate or allow assimilation of the Tibetans into becoming Han.

    And along with the Tibetans, the Pakistan Taliban has made plans to go on a serious religious rampage in Xinjiang.

    Not a pleasant time ahead for China.
     
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    I don't think that is required.

    Even without a parachute, his spiritual presence is causing enough of headaches for China!
     
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    u can say hes not letting chinese go out of the galaxy as well.....we (hans) dont need any non-hans to be hans.....
     
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    Check your history!

    Heard about the Yues, the so called barbarians?

    Heard about the Miaos?

    Are they not Hans now?

    How about this:

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    at least no chinese is begging him to allow us to go to dharmsala.....good headache....
     
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    history is history.......miao is still miao......tibetans r always tibetans......can u name 1 man goes from tibetan to han???

    i can tell u examples how muslims go hindus on the other hand.......
     
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    The Tibetans from Tibet come!
     
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    if mother tibetan father han then the child is han (or tibetan) is excluded here.,....

    every race can absorb some outsiders becoz of marriages etc but in prc no 1 is making tibetan hans....just that simple......
     
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    mother tibetan father tibetan then the child has to be tibetan otherwise its a breach of law.....
     
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    yet dalai lama himself wanna come prc........good headache
     
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    Heard of Sinicization?

    Sinicization, Sinicisation or Sinification, (in Mandarin: 中国化 Zhōngguóhuà or 汉化 Hànhuà) is the cultural assimilation of terms of the language and culture

    In more general contexts, Sinicization refers to the process of "becoming Chinese" or "becoming Han"; the opposite process is becoming "not Chinese" (desinicization). The term has been used in social science primarily to describe the assimilation of non-Han Chinese peoples (such as the Manchus) into the Chinese identity.

    More broadly, "Sinicization" also refers to the phenomenon whereby neighbouring cultures to China have been influenced by Chinese culture and language without being assimilated. This is reflected in the histories of Korea, Vietnam and Japan in Sinosphere, for example, as adopting of Chinese writing system.

    Integration

    The integration policy is aimed at strengthening of the Chinese identity among population, to develop shared values, pride in being the country’s citizen, respect and acceptance towards cultural differences among citizens of China.

    [edit]Historical Examples of Sinicization

    [edit]Turkic Peoples
    Main article: Taoyuan County, Hunan#Taoyuan Uyghurs
    Descendants of Uyghurs who migrated to Taoyuan County, Hunan have largely assimilated into the Han Chinese and Hui population and practice Chinese customs, speaking Chinese as their language.

    [edit]Tang dynasty
    During the 8th and 9th centuries in the Tang dynasty, Chinese soldiers moved into Guizhou (Kweichow) and married native women, their descendants are known as Lao-han-jen (original Chinese), in contrast to new Chinese who colonized Guizhou at later times. They still speak an archaic dialect.[1] Many immigrants to Guizhou were descended from these soldiers in garrisons who married non-Chinese women.[2]

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    Main articles: Ming conquest of Yunnan and Miao Rebellions (Ming Dynasty)
    Massive military campaigns were launched by the Ming dynasty during the Miao Rebellions (Ming Dynasty) against the southern aboriginal Miao, Yao, and other tribes, settled thousands of Han and Hui in their land after crushing and killing the aboriginals.

    During the Ming conquest of Yunnan Chinese military soldiers were settled in Yunnan, and many married the native women.

    [edit]Qing dynasty
    The Manchu people started sinicizing during the Qing dynasty. They originally had their own separate style of naming from the Han Chinese, but eventually adopted Han Chinese naming practices.

    Manchu names consisted of more than the two or one syllable Chinese names, and when phonetically translited into Chinese, they made no sense at all.[3] The meaning of the names that Manchus used were also very different from the meanings of Chinese names.[4] The Manchus also gave numbers as personal names.[5]

    They gave their children Chinese names which were separate from the Manchu names, and even adopted the Chinese practice of generation names, although its usage was inconsistent and error ridden, eventually they stopped using Manchu names.[6]

    The Niohuru family of the Manchu changed their family name to Lang, which sounded like "wolf" in Chinese, since wolf in Manchu was Niohuru.[7]

    Although the Manchus replaced their Manchu names with Chinese personal names, the Manchu bannermen followed their traditional practice in typically used their first/personal name to address themselves and not their last name, while Han Chinese bannermen used their last name and first in normal Chinese style[8][9]

    Usage of surnames was not traditional to the Manchu while it was to the Han Chinese.[10]

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    [edit]Xinjiang
    The Chinese Muslim 36th Division (National Revolutionary Army) governed southern Xinjiang in 1934–1937. The administration which was set up was colonial in nature, the Chinese Muslims started putting up street signs and names in Chinese, which used to be in only Uighur language. They wanted to live as much of a life like Chinese, importing Chinese cooks and baths.[11] The Chinese Muslims also switched carpet patterns from Uyghur to Chinese in state owned carpet factories.[12]

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    94% or so are Han Chinese as per the Chinese Govt,

    Now this is the original Han area

    Yan Huang (Chinese language: t 炎黃, s 炎黄, p Yán Huáng) was the name of an ethnic group of ancient China who inhabited the Yellow River basin area. They claimed their descent from the two tribes led by the Yan and Yellow Emperors. vTheir main achievement was to join together and strengthen the basis of the two tribes and their civilized community. They were the source of the Chinese people and the initiators of Chinese culture.

    In the original sense, Huaxia refers to a confederation of tribes—living along the Yellow River—who were the ancestors of what later became the Han ethnic group in China.

    Are they the 94% Hans and the rest of China is vacant land?
     
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