Tiananmen car crash

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  1. W.G.Ewald

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    China police seek eight in connection with Tiananmen car crash | Reuters
     
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    The Telegraph UK correspondent has lamented that the Chinese have censored the incident by scrubbing the internet!

    Typical Chinese attitude to cover up to show a happy, harmonious China where nothing goes wrong or the people are against the policies of the magnanimous and caring Chinese Communist stranglehold!
     
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    well,police now has arrested 5 suspects and opened details. on most occasions,necessary censorship is helpful to arrest suspects,isn't it? that is why chinese police can arrest terrorists while indian ones can not.
     
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    necessory censorship is helpful to suppress terrorism while abusive free tv live show just help terrorists,which took place in bombay terrorism assault.
     
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    "Xinjiang borders Afghanistan and unstable Central Asian states with militant Islamic groups, and Uighurs are believed to be among militants sheltering in Pakistan's lawless northwestern region.

    China says much of the violence is orchestrated by Uighur activists based in the West or in Pakistan and other neighboring countries"


    Police Say 5 Arrested in Tiananmen Gate Attack - ABC News
     
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    Xinjiang tied to Beijing crash



    Smoke rises after an SUV crashed into pedestrians and burst into flames at Tiananmen Square, Beijing. (Reuters)
    Beijing, Oct. 29 (Reuters): Chinese authorities investigating what could be Beijing’s first major suicide attack were searching for two men from Muslim-dominated Xinjiang today after three persons suspected to be from the restive region drove a SUV into a crowd at Tiananmen Square and set it on fire.

    They killed themselves and two tourists yesterday in the square, the heart of China’s power structure and the focal point of the mass 1989 pro-democracy demonstrations brutally crushed the military.

    Police have spread a dragnet across the capital, checking hotels and vehicles, seeking two people suspected to be ethnic Uighurs, a Muslim minority from Xinjiang in China’s far west, on the borders of ex-Soviet Central Asia.

    Two senior sources said today the crash, that also injured 38 bystanders at perhaps the most closely guarded location in China, was suspected of being a suicide attack carried out by people from Xinjiang. It was initially believed to be an accident.

    The sources did not specifically say the occupants were Uighurs, many of whom chafe at Chinese controls on their culture and religion.

    “It looks like a pre-meditated suicide attack,” said a source with direct knowledge of the matter, speaking on condition of anonymity to avoid repercussions for talking to the foreign media.

    There have been suicide bombings before in China, and in Beijing, mostly by people will personal grievances, but none have targetted the very heart of China’s government like this appears to have.

    China has blamed Uighur separatists and religious extremists for a series of attacks in Xinjiang, saying they want to establish an independent state called East Turkestan. Rights groups and exiles say China massively over-states the threat. In 2009, nearly 200 people were killed in clashes between Uighurs and ethnic Chinese in Urumqi, the capital of Xinjiang.

    But the unrest has never before spilled over into the nation’s capital, despite speculation in 1997 that Uighurs were to blame for a Beijing bus bomb in which at least two people died. Uighurs are also not known to have previously carried out any suicide attacks.

    The government has given no official word whether it was an accident or an attack, and state media has mostly kept to reporting brief statements from the police and official Xinhua news agency giving a bare bones account of what happened, as is common for such sensitive events.

    Police are still investigating and have yet to determine the identities of the three people in the sport utility vehicle but suspect they are from Xinjiang, according to the sources. The other dead were a Chinese man and a Filipina woman, both tourists.




    Police said yesterday the sport utility vehicle veered off the road at the north of the square, crossed the barriers and caught fire almost directly in front of the main entrance of the Forbidden City, in front of a huge portrait of the founder of Communist China, Mao Zedong.

    Pictures seen by Reuters showed that the vehicle appeared to have driven several hundred metres along the pedestrian pavement in front of the Forbidden City entrance before bursting into flames, knocking down people as it went.

    One eyewitness, who asked not to be identified due to the incident’s sensitive nature, said she saw the vehicle knock down three or four people, and that it had a white banner with black lettering on it streaming from the back.

    http://www.telegraphindia.com/1131030/jsp/foreign/story_17510511.jsp#.UnEwh8saySP
     
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    There is no doubt that Islamic fundamentalists are assisting the Uighurs.

    The home base is basically Pakistan.

    But then the Han repression and attempt to destroy the Uighurs culture, language, custom, tradition and religion is a great catalyst.

    If the Chinese do not change their tack, the Uighurs will make them come to grief!
     
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    Beijing Crash May Be Tied to Unrest in Xinjiang

    BEIJING — Five people were killed and 38 were injured on Monday when a speeding vehicle careered along a crowded sidewalk in the ceremonial heart of the Chinese capital and burst into flames at the entrance to the Forbidden City, billowing black smoke that obscured the iconic portrait of Mao Zedong.

    Three of the dead were the driver and the two passengers riding in the car, and the other two were pedestrians — a Filipino woman and a man from Guangdong Province in southern China — according to the authorities. They quickly sealed the area around Tiananmen Square and the Forbidden City, which is normally packed with thousands of tourists.

    Late Monday night, the police sent a notice to hotels in Beijing seeking information about “suspicious guests” and naming two suspects from Xinjiang, the troubled region in China’s far west whose ethnic Uighur population has become increasingly disenchanted with Chinese policies.

    Hypersensitive to any unscripted news happening in the center of Beijing, the government had sought earlier to restrict coverage of the episode and promptly deleted witness photographs and related postings on social media. A Foreign Ministry spokeswoman declined to respond to a question about whether the episode had been a terrorist attack.

    But witness accounts suggested the driver had deliberately steered the vehicle more than 400 yards along the sidewalk and had rammed into a marble railing of the Jinshui Bridge, built to traverse the moat that encircles the vast imperial residence that served generations of Chinese rulers.

    “This was not some driver who took a wrong turn and accidentally ended up on the sidewalk,” one witness said.

    Southern Metropolis Daily, a newspaper based in Guangdong, quoted a Filipino tourist as saying the driver had repeatedly honked the car’s horn, suggesting an attempt to alert pedestrians.

    Ringed by steel barriers, heavily policed by plainclothes officers and watched over by countless security cameras, the entrances to the Forbidden City and the adjoining Tiananmen Square have long been a magnet for political protest, most notably the 1989 student demonstrations that were crushed by force.

    In 2011, a man protesting the unfavorable outcome of a legal grievance set fire to himself near the Jinshui Bridge. Two years earlier, a man set fire to himself near the same spot. In 2001, two people died and three others were injured after they set fire to themselves in the square, although details of that episode remain murky.

    In 2009, three people set themselves and their car on fire at Wangfujing, a shopping street just east of the square, in what has been described as a protest against illegal land seizures.

    In recent years, the police have introduced increasingly tight security around Tiananmen Square that includes searching the belongings of visitors and questioning those they believe fit the description of petitioners, the aggrieved citizens who flock to the capital in what is often a futile quest for justice. Fire extinguishers can be seen arranged at lampposts across the square.

    The episode on Monday occurred shortly after noon, when the sport utility vehicle made a sharp turn onto the sidewalk alongside Chang’an Avenue and raced toward the southern entrance to the Forbidden City. One man who happened upon the area minutes afterward described an eerily quiet scene, with a half-dozen people lying motionless on the pavement.

    “It almost felt like performance art, with people standing around in shock, unsure of what had just happened,” said the man, a foreign visitor who declined to give his name.

    In locking down the area, the police immediately closed a busy subway station, shooed away tourists and detained several foreign journalists, including two reporters for Agence France-Presse, who were forced to delete images from their cameras. Armored vehicles and paramilitary police officers swarmed the area, and bomb-sniffing dogs roamed a broader zone that included Zhongnanhai, the walled compound that houses the Chinese leadership, and the Great Hall of the People, home to the legislature. Witnesses said municipal workers had arrived quickly with long-handled brushes to wash away the pools of blood.

    Photographs posted online showing a vehicle engulfed in flames were quickly deleted; one subsequent photograph showed the police erecting green panels of fabric in an effort to conceal the charred wreck from passing traffic.

    The police notice issued to Beijing hotels Monday night suggested that the authorities were looking for additional cars that may have been involved in the episode. It asked for help identifying suspicious guests and “illegal vehicles” that might have been spotted as early as Oct. 1 , and listed four license plate numbers with the regional prefix for Xinjiang.

    For hours after the episode, crowds of disappointed tourists milled outside police barriers waiting for the street to reopen. When asked why the sidewalk was closed, one police officer said, “It’s a special kind of activity, but we don’t know what kind.”

    Then he added: “Don’t worry. It will be over tomorrow.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/29/w...fter-car-explodes-at-forbidden-city.html?_r=0

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    Neat way China keeps adverse news under wraps.

    Yet our Chinese posters claim how 'free; they are visiting western forums etc, and denying that they are govt sponsored 'free' birds.

    Here, some terrorists have tried to bring attention to themselves by crashing into the Gates.

    What is so embarrassing about? It happens around the world.

    But then, it does impinge and tarnish the false image of a 'happy and harmonious China', the only place in the world where there is no strife and it is one joyous circus of sorts!

    To imagine the stupidity of the government wherein they sought to restrict coverage of the episode and promptly deleting witness photographs and related postings on social media. In locking down the area, the police immediately closed a busy subway station, shooed away tourists and detained several foreign journalists, including two reporters for Agence France-Presse, who were forced to delete images from their cameras indicates how fear crazed the Chinese are about projecting their image that is a total falsehood and a fantasy, when in actuality, they are in a mess!



    The Foreign Ministry spokeswoman who declined to respond to a question about whether the episode had been a terrorist attack only added to the speculation and this type of denial adds to all sorts of stories hitting the world, to China's disadvantage, And the poor Chinese behave like ostriches!
     
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    الله أكبر

    Allahu Akbar. This is the beginning of violent Jihad against Han colonialism,imperialism by the Uighurs. All the ethnic people in so called autonomous areas of PRC have become minorities in their homelands because of PRC policy of exporting Han populations to these areas. Mandarin is taught in schools instead of the native languages. Their traditional culture is being wiped out in the name of progress and modernisation. Ethnic cleansing is
    the right description for this sort of action. Tibetan non-violence method has not gotten them anywhere. Insha'Allah the Uighurs shall be victorious!!!
     
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    Ha Ha Ha... It back fires... The sinese will have good time ahead hunting for ostriches :taunt: in The vast expenses on Gobi and Mongolia and tibet!!!

    Wish I have some Influence on India's Foreiign Policy!!! I will Arm the ostriches with Archeopteryx's teeth :shoot:
     
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    some Uyghurs' rebel has little to do with "destroy the Uighurs culture, language, custom, tradition and religion" so called,

    it simpely is because they don't want XInjiang to be a part of China,whether CHina is autocratic or democratic,
     
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    That would be odd.

    If the Han Chinese are doing so much for the Uighurs and are changing their lives for the better than ever before, they should be happy and not want to be not a part of China,
     
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    Indian also does much for those islamic in J&Kashimir,but lots of local people still want a independent J&Kashimire.

    kindness is not always repaid with kindness.
     
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    I think you have not been able to fathom the yawning difference.

    1. Unlike Xinjiang, where the Han Govt is thrust onto the Uighurs, in India, it being democratic, they elect their own leaders from within Kashmir. There are no hinterland Indians allowed to stand for election or vote!

    In short, the Kashmiris stand for the election and the Kashmiris vote the Kashmiri leaders into office and the Assembly, which makes laws applicable to Kashmir!

    2. Non Kashmris are not allowed to buy land, build house or become citizens of Kashmir, and instead Kashmir is for the Kashmiris alone.

    So, there is no demographic changes to the Kashmir's character and population.

    3. Muslims freely practice their faith, to include attending mosques, teaching Islamic scriptures to all, including children as is expected in Islam, allowed to have their beard, free to partake in Ramzan and other holy festivals et al.

    4. There is no restrictions in Kashmiris having or exhibiting separatist views and expression.

    5. Foreigners and foreign media roam freely in Kashmir, and there is never any lockdown to prevent them, even where there are problems

    In Xinjiang, Uighurs vote no one since it is not a democracy and those who decide their furture are not Uighuers but Han imposted by hinterland Chinese and their Communist overlords.

    In Xinjiang, there has been a systematic and sinister drive to change the demography in Xinjiang, so as to make the majority Uighurs into a minority and convert Xinjiang into a Han majority area, wiping out the Uighur identity in all its facets.

    In Xinjiang, Muslims are not allowed to have beard, discouraged to wear the hijab, denied to partake in Ramzan, forced to eat during Ramzan, children not allowed into Mosques or children not allowed to get Islamic scripture education and so on.

    In Xinjiang, Foreigners and foreign media are not allowed roam freely, and there is always a serious lockdown to prevent them,wherever there are problems, unrest and riots.

    Therefore, what is happening in Kashmir and what is happening in Xinjiang is as different as is chalk and cheese!

    In Xinjiang, those who exhibit separatist views are sent to the Laogais(prisons).

    In Kashmir, India pours a huge amount of money as is done in Xinjiang by China.

    It is true that kindness does not begets kindness, but then in a democracy, where human rights is a big issue, one cannot help it.
     
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    how is it the Xinjiang region is connected to the rest of the PRC. was that white SUV driven from Xinjiang region to Beijing.

    also is there no difference between Northern PRC and Southern PRC citizens. From what I have read they dont like one another.
     
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    The Han Chinese look down on the Uyghurs and consider them as junglees, unwashed, filthy, gypsies etc etc.

    They call the Uyghurs Yao.

    The exonym Yao, they insultingly chose yao 猺 "jackal" from a lexical selection of over 100 characters pronounced yao (e.g., 腰 "waist", 遙 "distant", 搖 "shake").
     
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    Surprising how the Chinese posters, who are so active elsewhere showcasing their 'wonders of the world' are absent from commenting on the seamier side of China.
     
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    Sir, it's evident that, they cannot face truth ! and moreover, they don't have [email protected] to counter your attack :D
     
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    Uyghur group scorns Tiananmen 'terrorist' claim

    BEIJING--A Uyghur group dismissed Beijing's account of a “terrorist attack” in Tiananmen Square as a dubious pretext to repress the ethnic minority Thursday, even as state-run media hinted at potential repercussions.

    Beijing police said on Wednesday that Usmen Hasan — in an SUV carrying his mother and wife, jihadist banners and machetes — sped onto the pavement, crashed in Tiananmen Square and set the car alight.

    The crash in the symbolic heart of the Chinese state killed all three people in the car and two tourists, with 40 others injured.

    Five other suspects with Uyghur-sounding names were captured within 10 hours, although police only announced their detention two days later.

    The mostly Muslim Uyghur minority are concentrated in China's far western region of Xinjiang, where ethnic tensions and discontent with the government periodically burst out into violence.

    Beijing regularly calls such incidents “terrorism,” but Uyghur organisations dismiss that as an excuse to justify religious and security restrictions, and information in the area is tightly controlled.

    Alim Seytoff, a U.S.-based spokesman for the overseas World Uyghur Congress (WUC), said the official narrative of the Tiananmen event was full of holes and discriminatory.

    “The Chinese claim is in a way very unbelievable, to some extent outrageous,” he told AFP.

    “The only reason this is labeled as a terrorist incident is because the passengers happened to be Uyghurs.”

    Seytoff questioned why an attacker would kill his own family, and how religious material could survive in a car engulfed in flames.

    “If he were a terrorist, why would he bring his mother and his wife?” Seytoff said.

    “The car was burned almost to the ground, the three people were burned to death, and the flag wasn't burned — in the car?”

    The account fit what Seytoff called a pattern of authorities labeling Uyghurs as terrorists based on “thin evidence.”

    “We do not believe there is any kind of organized resistance against Chinese rule,” he said.

    “Some of the violence by Uyghurs — they are more sporadic, individualistic, out of desperation.”

    According to Chinese state-run media a “terrorist attack” in Xinjiang left 35 people dead in June, and 139 people have been arrested in recent months for spreading jihadist ideology.

    Ethnic tensions have risen in Xinjiang since millions of members of China's Han majority have moved to the resource-rich region, where they largely control the economy. Rioting in the capital Urumqi involving both ethnic groups in 2009 left 200 people dead.

    Seytoff warned Uyghurs could face tighter repression after Monday's incident, particularly in the capital, where the WUC said 93 people have been rounded up.

    Uyghur group scorns Tiananmen 'terrorist' claim - The China Post

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    The Uyghurs are laughing right in the face of China and telling it to take a running jump.

    Indeed, maybe this is a Chinese plot to start some repressive stuff against the Uyghurs.

    It is really incredulous that if the chap was a terrorist, why would he bring his mother and his wife?

    The Chinese are well known to 'doctor' incidents to undertake underhand machinations in a sly way!
     

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