Three Pakistani origin men guilty of mass bomb plot

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  1. Blackwater

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    Three would-be suicide bombers who plotted to carry out an attack to rival the 7 July and 9/11 atrocities have been found guilty of terrorism charges.

    Irfan Naseer, 31, Irfan Khalid, 27, and Ashik Ali, 27, from Birmingham, were found guilty at Woolwich Crown Court of being "central figures" in the plan.

    Jurors were told they planned to set off up to eight bombs in rucksacks, using timers to detonate the charges.

    Police described the men as "committed, passionate extremists".

    The trio were arrested in 2011 amid fears an attack was imminent.

    Detectives believe it is the most significant terror plot to be uncovered since the 2006 conspiracy to blow up transatlantic airliners using bombs disguised as soft drinks.

    Khalid even boasted that the attack was "another 9/11" and "revenge for everything".

    'Charity workers'
    The three men were found guilty of 12 counts of preparing for acts of terrorism between December 2010 and their arrest in September the following year.

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    Home affairs correspondent
    During the months of evidence at Woolwich Crown Court, the three men came across as utter incompetents. They even laughed among themselves about the grim satirical film, Four Lions, in which useless bombers are seeking martyrdom by blowing themselves up.

    But although they did not have a clear target, their own words clearly convinced the jury that the three men were extremely dangerous: they knew what they were doing.

    What was never clear in the trial was what had really made them want to be bombers. They exhibited all the same characteristics as many who have gone before them - including a vague hatred of "Western" society and a general social inadequacy with their place in Britain.

    One of them even conceded to police that if his two fellow plotters managed to find women who would have them, their anger with the world may have eventually gone away.

    The jury heard that Naseer and Khalid had received training from al-Qaeda contacts in Pakistan - and had recorded martyrdom videos there before returning to the UK.

    Having recruited others, the group posed as legitimate charity workers on the streets of Birmingham and collected thousands of pounds from unsuspecting members of the public.

    Naseer played a key role in sending four other Birmingham men to Pakistan to receive training. All of these have already pleaded guilty to preparing for acts of terrorism: Ishaaq Hussain, 21, Shahid Khan, 21, Naweed Ali, 25, and Khobaib Hussain, 22.

    Two other Birmingham men who were part of Naseer and Khalid's plans, Rahin Ahmed, 27, and Mujahid Hussain, 21, have also pleaded guilty to terrorism charges.

    The judge told the men they would all face life in prison when they were sentenced in April or May.

    Mr Justice Henriques told Naseer he had been convicted on "overwhelming evidence" and that he faced "a very long minimum term".

    He said: "You were seeking to recruit a team of somewhere between six and eight suicide bombers to carry out a spectacular bombing campaign, one which would create an anniversary along the lines of 7/7 or 9/11. It's clear that you were planning a terrorist outrage in Birmingham."

    Surveillance recordings
    BBC home affairs correspondent Dominic Casciani said the convictions represented a major success for counter-terrorism officers in the West Midlands who, along with MI5, ran one of the largest undercover operations in recent years to identity the plotters and stop them.

    Nine men in all have been convicted as a result of the investigation.


    Asst Chief Constable Beale: "They were out to cause some serious harm"
    The jury heard that the security services had the men under such close surveillance that they recorded them laughing and joking about their plans and how they did not need to worry about their car's MOT, because they would be dead by the time it expired.

    The men were arrested after recorded conversations revealed Naseer's depth of knowledge about bomb-making and the three discussed time frames for attacking targets.

    They had discussed targets while under surveillance but had not settled on a final plan. During his police interview, Ali told detectives that they wanted to wear explosive vests and had considered attacking British soldiers.

    The trial heard the men were inspired by sermons of US-born Islamist cleric Anwar al-Awlaki, who was killed in Yemen in September 2011.

    'Maim and kill'
    Karen Jones, specialist counter-terrorism prosecutor for the Crown Prosecution Service, said: "These men had dangerous aspirations and whilst the precise targets remained unclear, the potential for damage and loss of life from their plot should not be underestimated.

    "The evidence we put to the court showed the defendants discussing with awe and admiration the attacks of 9/11 and 7/7. These terrorists wanted to do something bigger, speaking of how 7/7 had 'gone a bit wrong'."


    The men carried out fraudulent charity collecting on the streets of Birmingham
    Detective Inspector Adam Gough of West Midlands Police led the investigation into the men.

    "There's no doubt whatsoever that they were the real deal," he said. "They are committed, passionate extremists. They had a real stated intention to kill and maim as many people as they possibly can. More than that, they not only had that intention, but they had the capacity and training to make that intention a reality.

    "Naseer is a very devious and calculating man. He is someone who had a real hatred of western values, someone who wants to bring his influence to others and a compulsive liar. A very dangerous man."

    Irfan Naseer told the trial that the hours of secret recordings of him talking about terrorism and bomb-making were all nonsense.

    He said he had pretended to be a terrorist because he wanted to end rumours in his local community that he was a Pakistani spy. Ashik Ali denied wanting to be a terrorist. Irfan Khalid did not give evidence in his defence.

    BBC News - Birmingham men guilty of mass bomb plot
     
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    These pakis in UK are become pain in a.s.s..:sad::sad:

    they live on dole(benefits).live in free council houses,produce children in large number who become jihadi and create problem in UK.:rolleyes:

    These 3 are radicalised in Birmingham mosque and went to Pakistan for training..:sad::sad:
     
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    Birmingham has largest no.of pakis after bradford in UK. they way pakis producing kids Birmingham might soon overtake Bradford.:shocked::shocked:

    When ever i go Birmingham airport, every where i see burka clad paki woman. Sometimes it feels u r in pakistan:laugh::laugh:


    Well UK govt should control these pakis and keep an eye on who goes or come back from pakistan:sad::sad:
     
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    Sam2012 Tihar Jail Banned

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    What a pretty face , its stamped on their face that they are born terrorist
     
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    A chauhan "अहिंसा परमो धर्मः धर्म हिंसा तथैव च: l" Senior Member

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    Pakis should be deported from all the countries worldwide ! the virus of Islamic terrorism is more dangerous than Polio virus I guess.

    @Blackwater,

    Is there any facial psychological similarity you have noticed among the terrorists of UK ? I mean you might have become an expert in this ;)
     
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    Police: Birmingham terror trio 'wanted this to be their 9/11'

    :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:



    hree Birmingham men convicted of planning a campaign of terrorist attacks in the UK "wanted it to be their 9/11", according to police.

    Assistant Chief Constable Marcus Beale said all three had set out "to cause some serious harm".

    Irfan Naseer, 31, Irfan Khalid, 27, and Ashik Ali, 27 were found guilty at Woolwich Crown Court of planning to set off up to eight bombs in rucksacks and possibly detonate bombs on timers.

    BBC News - Police: Birmingham terror trio 'wanted this to be their 9/11'
     
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    Sindhifreedomfighter Regular Member

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    why the hell the british authorities give visas to pakjabis........????????????????????
     
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    Human rights. but i think pakis do not come in human category any more,they come in devil
     
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    Once a Paki... always a Paki.
    Didnt they breed any British white women? :laugh:

    British created Pakistan and now needs Paki dose...lets hope Pakis do their job seriously and make it a Islamic Caliphate asap and put British Queen in burqa... and Bukingham Palace a Grand mosuq :taunt:
     
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    More on these pakis item

    British police failures to engage with local Pakistani families have been highlighted following the conviction of three Islamic extremists who planned a bombing campaign against UK targets.

    British-born Pakistanis “Mota” (146 kg) Irfan Naseer, :rofl::rofl:and co-conspirators “Chhota” Irfan Khalid and Ashik Ali have each been convicted on 12 counts of committing acts in preparation for a terrorist attack.

    Born and brought up in the city of Birmingham, north of London, the three men were planning eight suicide bombings, as well as gun and poison attacks.

    As India’s intelligence agencies try to discover the perpetrators of Thursday’s bomb atrocities, the conviction of these three Birmingham bombers is a useful reminder that terrorism does not respect any national or international boundaries.

    It remains to be seen who was behind the Hyderabad bombings, but UK intelligence experts say the Pakistani masterminds who trained the Birmingham trio were also behind the attacks on India’s Parliament and other urban centres.

    Naseer, Khalid and Ai made at least two lengthy visits to Pakistan in recent years, visiting the North-West frontier, where they were trained in bomb-making, and Karachi, where they attended two mosques with links to the Jaish-e-Mohammad and the Lashkar-e-Toiba. Their plan was to disrupt last year’s London Olympics and wreck Queen Elizabeth II’s diamond jubilee celebrations.

    It was when they returned from their last trip to Pakistan that British spooks decided to bug their homes and cars.

    In one of the recorded conversations “Mota” Naseer talks about the destructive effects of a one-kg bomb. “One kg will make the kuffars’ ‘pishab’ come out,” he says. “Probably die of heart attack because of the noise.”

    He goes on to describe British women as “slags” and “whores”, saying they want to have “sex like donkeys on the street”. As for the rest of the British population, he comments: “Pigs, you know those red-nose bastards. I hate them.”

    Counter-terrorism experts say if the men had carried out their planned attacks-aimed at soldiers and civilians-they would have turned 2012 into a year of shambles.

    What has really worried opinion-makers is that the friends and families of the convicted men made no effort to tip-off the authorities, even though their nefarious aims were widely suspected. One small consolation is that the families of the three pressured them into returning home from Pakistan-evidence that Birmingham’s Pakistani Muslim community was keen to “self police” the problem.

    But the community’s reluctance to contact the authorities shows the British Government’s failure to overcome the sense of alienation that prevails in Birmingham’s Muslim heartland. Awareness of this sense of alienation prompted the government to invest tens of millions of pounds in a failed strategy called “Prevent”, which was meant to build bridges with local Muslims in Birmingham.

    Commenting on this failed strategy, Dr Usama Hasan of the London-based Quilliam Foundation was quoted as saying, “Millions of pounds has gone to Birmingham in ‘Prevent’ but it seems much more needs to be done to persuade people to open up. This is a community which isn’t integrated. The police is often seen as outsider and the state as the enemy-that sort of feeling is very influential.”

    The Tribune, Chandigarh, India - World
     
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    Typical pakjabi face.. thick-skulked extremists and terrorists..
     
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    Ghazwa hind JAI HIND.
     
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    Looks like gajwa-a- England , jai. EDL
     
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    gajaren kam khaya kar :)
    @gajwa
     
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    Question gajar ka nahi Question yeah ha ki

    Why people of pak origin involve in terrorist activities in UK and around the world?

    why all terrorist goes to pakistan for jihadi training??
     
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    ‘No Obvious Solution’ for Dealing With Jihadists Returning to UK: Expert

    Lecturer at the Centre for the Study of Terrorism and Political Violence Dr. Gilbert Ramsay is doubtful of the efficiency of deradicalization by preventing UK Jihadis from returning home, as proposed by the government.

    ST ANDREWS, November 15 (Sputnik), Mark Hirst —A leading authority on terrorism, Dr. Gilbert Ramsay, has told Sputnik Saturday that there is no obvious solution to deradicalizing those who have been fighting Jihad abroad and described proposals by the British Government to ban individuals re-entering the UK as having "dubious legality".

    "I think that preventing Jihadis from entering the UK is probably a dubious policy of dubious legality," R
    amsay, a lecturer in International Relations at the Centre for the Study of Terrorism and Political Violence at St Andrews University said, adding, however, that there was limited success with such deradicalization processes and no clear solution to the wider issue of dealing with returning Jihadis.

    "Recidivism has been a significant issue on much-trumpeted deradicalization processes in countries like Saudi Arabia and Yemen, so clearly this is a difficult issue without any one obvious solution," Ramsay noted.

    Ramsay was responding after UK Prime Minister David Cameron announced plans to ban Jihadi fighters from coming back to the UK if they were suspected of, or known to have been fighting with extremist Muslim groups abroad.

    Under the proposals Jihadi suspects would have their UK passports cancelled and their names added to an international "no-fly" list.

    But Ramsay warned simply exiling suspected extremists did not necessarily reduce the risks posed by terrorists.

    "It's worth bearing in mind that the radicalization of al-Qaeda came with Bin Laden's being exiled by Saudi Arabia, which essentially left him with no option other than to escalate his jihad," Ramsay told Sputnik.

    "Having said that, it clearly does make sense for the British state to monitor returning Jihadis closely, and also to have some sort of reintegration process which those who wish to reintegrate into British society can enter into," Ramsay said. "I suspect that the actual nuts and bolts of such a process might matter less than the mere fact of it being possible for those who wish to renounce their previous affiliations and recommit to the British state to have a formal mechanism for doing so," he added.

    The UK Government has confirmed it plans to introduce the new legislation as part of the Counter-Terrorism Bill at the end of January 2015.

    Early in October, NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg admitted that the Europeans fighting for the Islamic State Sunni Jihadist group in Syria and Iraq pose a threat to NATO member states upon their return home. The UK Police estimates the number of Britons who have fled to the Middle East to take part in terror-related activities at 500.

    ‘No Obvious Solution’ for Dealing With Jihadists Returning to UK: Expert / Sputnik international
     
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    kitne sone lag rahe hai sab
     
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    I think Japan did already. Rest of the world should too.
     
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    Attack the shit country already. Why attacking secondary countries? Jadd se ukhado
     

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