Three pacts Antony opposed are off the table

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    US is very keen to build up a goo defence relations with all littoral states in the Asia Pacific region and tighten the noose around China.

    The US will be sharing technology with India and that is good news.

    There is no doubt that much more would have been discussed that are not in the open source.
     
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    Delhi wary of guns in Bay

    SUJAN DUTTA
    New Delhi, June 6: Fears that the Bay of Bengal could turn into an American lake under the United States’ new Asia-Pacific military strategy has made New Delhi sound warning bells in talks between Leon Panetta and A.K. Antony.

    The US navy has 11 carrier battle groups of which six would be permanently stationed in the Asia-Pacific region in an arc from the Western Pacific to South Asia.

    The US secretary for defence is in New Delhi to primarily explain the new US policy. But the defence establishment under Antony is not receiving the new policy with enthusiasm.

    In the talks with Panetta, Antony “emphasised the need to strengthen the multilateral security architecture in the Asia Pacific and to move at a pace comfortable to all countries concerned.”

    An official involved in the talks said that the new US policy threatens to “put more guns on the waters around us”. India’s western sea-board probably has the highest concentration of warships from many countries at any point of time.

    Under the new US policy, with the on-again-off-again nature that marks diplomatic ties with China, there is a possibility of a dense traffic of warships in the Bay of Bengal. “The point is that if you have more guns in an area, the chances of an accidental shot being fired and escalating into a conflict goes up,” the official said. The Chinese are also accessing the Myanmarese port of Hangyyi and the Sri Lankan port of Hambantota. The Indian Navy has also noted an increase in Chinese submarine movements in the Bay of Bengal.

    The US and India both want the South China Sea to be free for international mercantile traffic. But China has disputes with five countries because it claims most of the sea. The Phillippines and Vietnam, among these countries have US military bases.

    The defence ministry statement said that Antony conveyed to Panetta that “it is desirable that the parties concerned themselves should settle contentious matters in accordance with international law.”

    In a lecture at the Institute for Defence Studies and Analysis after the talks, Leon Panetta said that both the US and India wanted cooperation with China. He was keen that military-to-military relations with China should improve.

    Answering a question from retired Lieutenant General J.F.R. Jacob (who was the chief of staff in Fort William, Calcutta in the 1971 Bangladesh war), Panetta said that while the US was not hunting for bases, it would work with the countries in the region to enhance their military capabilities.

    Within the region, the U.S. vision is a peaceful Indian Ocean supported by growing Indian military capabilities. “America will do its part through the rotational presence of Marines in Australia, littoral combat ships rotating through Singapore and other U.S. military deployments in the region,” he said.

    Delhi wary of guns in Bay
     
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    This speech by Panetta in IDSA means US has realized it cannot get its way with India as far as imposing its will and it also means that the US will be flexible in dealing with India and it also means that the US will go all out to get India on its side against China.

    I must say I am quite relieved with Panetta's speech. Yesterday I was a but troubled at the way Indo US ties were heading.
     
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    Have you got the transcript of Panetta's speech to IDSA?
     
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    What is important was the news of them dropping the three agreements as a prerequisite. That was not said in IDSA but outside.

    Here is the transcript of what he said in IDSA

    http://www.idsa.in/keyspeeches/LeonEPanettaonPartnersinthe21stcentury#.T9C5-Ylhic0
     
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    US will be crucial for our position in the world in the future.

    My question what would happen if the Europe would start opening their arms market to China, who would be there to stop the aggressive stand that China might start taking. I certainly believe India can't.
     
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    ^^^ Thats not happening anytime soon . who will be willing to sell their trade secrets specially to some one who is well known for plagiarism
     
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    Plagiarism, who remains to buy the weapons made by the Europe, they are expensive.
    The last frontier of weapons sale would be china.
    Add to that the crumbling economy of the Europe could possibly make the situation more likely.
     
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    But selling weapons to China will effectively neutralise all of their future market prospects. so I dont think so. But may be desperate time may call for desperate measures, who knows?
     
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    Potential super markets, what re they ?
    Which is let by the super powers and the upcoming super powers.
     
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    :confused:

    You dont think the europeans can sell weapons ? France was no where near the USSR or USA in Super powerdom, but still managed gain a significant portion of the world's defence market right?
     
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    If Dassault Rafale deal collapsed, no one knows what would have happened.
    The european companies themselves re forming consortium nowadays
     
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    From what I understand, signing the BECA, CISMOA e.t.c. are actually legislative requirements for selling military equipment to any other country. These are laws passed by the Congress and its not something that a President and his administration just bypass.

    The difference is that earlier and under the Republican Bob Gates, there was no push to try and create a "loophole" for India that the US can sell without these agreements or some other variation of these.
    Under, Leon Panetta, this is the first time such a stand is being mentioned. But it still means that they will have to get a legislation passed in Congress which is dominated by Republicans. Leon Panetta basically is focusing on getting rid of the legal and bureaucratic barriers so that the military sales can occur smoothly.

    Check out the Q&A session at IDSA.
    He also mentions, that there never was any issue of cutting the Javelin sales in half. Not even by the State dept. apparently.
    He also mentions that about CISMOA, BECA e.t.c and he basically says that they will not be a barrier in improving defence relationship with India. I think this is being reported as being taken off the table. But the reality is that unless a new legislative framework comes about, the agreements will be a legal requirement.


     
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