Thousands of Hong Kong students start week-long boycott

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    Thousands of Hong Kong students start week-long boycott

    Thousands of students in Hong Kong have converged on a university campus to begin a week-long boycott of classes.

    They are protesting against China's stance on electoral reform in the territory. Students from more than two dozen institutions are taking part.

    It is a prelude to a larger protest on 1 October planned by pro-democracy group Occupy Central.

    Beijing has rejected open nominations for the city's leadership poll, dashing hopes of those seeking full democracy.

    The boycott saw thousands of students gathering at 14:00 local time (07:00 BST) for a sit-in at the Chinese University of Hong Kong campus in Sha Tin, several kilometres north of the city centre.

    Most are wearing white T-shirts with yellow ribbons - a colour adopted by pro-democracy activists.

    The boycott is being organised by groups such as the Hong Kong Federation of Students and Scholarism.

    Student activists are also organising a series of rallies and public lectures in a park near government offices later in the week.

    RTHK reported that teenage activists were standing outside secondary schools early on Monday morning, distributing yellow ribbons to students arriving for class and urging them to join the boycott.

    About 400 academics and non-teaching staff are also taking part in support of the students, according to the South China Morning Post.

    Students gather during a strike at the Chinese University of Hong Kong on 22 September 2014.

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    The university campus is several kilometres north of Hong Kong's city centre

    Juliana Liu, BBC News, Hong Kong
    The Hong Kong Federation of Students said that about 13,000 students had gathered for the start of the boycott. The mood was defiant.

    The last time students in Hong Kong engaged in such a large-scale protest was in 2012, when they successfully argued against the implementation of national and moral education, which some critics said was a form of brainwashing.

    Two years ago, the Hong Kong government gave in. But this time, the main target of their strike, the Chinese government in Beijing, is unlikely to be as accommodating.

    The students also sent a letter to the current chief executive CY Leung, blaming him, in part, for Beijing's tough requirements for election candidates.

    They said Mr Leung had "no excuse" for absolving himself from the proposal announced by the Chinese government.

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    Thousands of students have converged on the Chinese University of Hong Kong campus

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    Activists say China's ruling on Hong Kong's elections does not mean greater democracy

    Campaign ahead
    A larger pro-democracy protest is due to take place next month. Occupy Central has pledged to stage a sit-in at Hong Kong's financial district, which critics have said may shut down the area.

    The issue of how Hong Kong can choose its leader gripped the city in recent months, sparking protests from both the pro-democracy and pro-Beijing camps.

    The Chinese government has promised direct elections for Hong Kong's leader, the chief executive, by 2017.

    But in August, it ruled that voters would only have a choice from a list of two or three candidates selected by a nominating committee.

    Democracy activists say China will use this committee to screen out candidates it disapproves of.

    Pro-Beijing activists, meanwhile, believe the other camp is disrupting Hong Kong's peace and stability.

    The protesting students say Beijing's decision does not amount to the greater democracy Hong Kong was promised when it was handed back from Britain to China in 1997.

    But the BBC's China editor Carrie Gracie says the communist leadership in Beijing is turning firmly against ideas of political reform at home and has no interest in encouraging noisy critics.

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    Students also held protest over the weekend in the lead-up to the boycott

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    The Hong Kong Federation of Students is one of several student activist groups organising the boycott

    BBC News - Thousands of Hong Kong students start week-long boycott
     
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    Communist China is up a gum tree now.

    They miscalculated when they coerced UK out of its Hong Kong possession to use it as a cash cow and at the same time dreaming that Han unity would make the HK people mindless like the Mainland Communist robots.

    Whatever is happening in HK is a reminder and a statement that once someone has had tgeh breath of freedom, no matter how gilded the cage maybe, none would trade freedom for a robotic existence.

    Boo to Communist China!
     
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    China is in a hurry to bring HK under CCP umbrella by dishonoring the agreement with UK. It is highly likely that China will start a massive crackdown against the protesters and the whole world will remain mute spectator. If this happens, India must initiate steps to bring POK under our control.
     
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    The communist Mainland maybe in a hurry or even if they do it cool, the basic fact remains = a bird that has seen freedom and experience soaring the open skies is hardly ready to be in a cage - even if it si a gilded cage.

    Our Mainland Communist posters will never understand this freedom.
     
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    Singapore has lot of space to accommodate, clean and entertainment and comes with democracy and growing financial centre - with India and Asean and Australia linkage also. (What do most of foreigners do in hong kong).

    Taiwan is looking at what is happening. (what do most of the Communist leaders do in Hong kong).

    Dubai is looking at what is happening. (Transportation transit hub and what many travellers use Hong kong)

    Shanghai free trade zone has a lot of space to accommodate trade. (What do most of the Locals do in hong kong).

    Hong kong cannot be replicated anywhere and this will have to be resolved. It has chance to get messy but pragmatism must prevail. When young people get involve it becomes highly emotive.

    There was a reason for UK to give away its land - some say too easily - and it is in a constitutional document that had participation by three parties - UK, PRC and People of Hong Kong. Each of these has the right to seek performance.

    Perhaps a 50 year extension to the current hong kong constitution. Perhaps more electoral freedom. Fascinating times.
     
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    So, all your examples suggesting one thing: Hong Kong students are killing their own future.

    No one wants Hong Kong to be replicated since Hong kong itself was only a replace of ShangHai after 1949.

    And it is interesting that HK youth put a gun on his own head and threat: I will pull the trigger if you don't give what I want.

    Or perhaps nothing.
     
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    Hong Kong has unnerved the communists at the Politburo as also the citizens of Mainland China.

    If this protest is not ruthlessly curbed by Communist China, it will pose a big challenge to the CCP.

    The industrious Southern China, flush with trade and globalised intermingling, is getting too much of a taste of western style democratic freedom,

    If Hong Kongers succeed, then Southern China will be aflame.

    The Communists at Beijing cannot afford this disharmony and instability.

    Since China does not care about human rights or international opinion, a brutal repression to drive the Hong Kong protesters under the jackboot is waiting to happen any time now.
     
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    Good to hear from you after a long time ...

    Yep fascinating times. What will happen in hong kong is playing out in front of our eyes. the people have a look of innocence and it would be a huge disaster if aggression and violence enters. but that is what CCP will be thinking. since the powerful message of civil disobedience by way of non-violent means (influence by M.Gandhi) and being planned in hong kong has a powerful and significant potential. if that works in a PRC administered areas it might become influenced and repeated elsewhere is what some groups might be looking and reviewing. Will CCP preempt such a behavior to make sure others dont consider such exuberance and enthusiasm (it will need to be a beating seen by many).

    i am also not sure what is exactly who the students are. i read somewhere they are not university students but high school (arent they too young). but it shows how powerful the message is and being passed onto the next generation.

    i still believe the CCP is more capable compared to the democratic team (in intelligence) and they ought to have used behind the doors to make closure. but the democrats have the message of truth and value and believe me the message of civil disobedience by way of non-violent means (influence by M.Gandhi) once understood and implement with courage and conviction is unmatched in supremacy. if we see people willing to go to jail and be hurt for what they believe in hong kong that will be a forever moment.

    i wont comment on why CCP signed such a document and not anticipating such things will happen later. the public seems to support less interference by CCP but that is impossible and CCP is right to slap that suggestion down. the public also want a direct say into the election of the leader and that is where the fun is. i feel there will be some arrangement and solution that will suit both parties. hong kong is too important for PRC. perhaps PRC will gift wrap it to show to Taiwan. i really feel that 50 year extension will be consider and talked about in the next few years also electoral reform is already being discussed.

    why dont hong kong and shenzen join together and form a super (area) hong kong ...
     
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    OK, as someone who's been to HK, Shenzhen, Guangzhou, and Pudong/Shanghai, and someone who has friends there, I can say with great certainty that these protests are pointless. To each Hong Kong citizen who gives a shit about politics, there are 10 others that don't. Those angry youth are most likely from the working/middle-classes of Kowloon, NT, etc. With the main island (Wanchai, Admiralty, Stanley, etc.,) you can forget about these protests having any impact. Kids show up with candlelight vigils, and assemble in stadiums, to make themselves feel important (and potentially get laid afterwards), but the following day on, things are back to business.

    People simply do not care about politics, period. They still like their SAR status, because it acts as a pressure valve against the neo-rich from mainland, and ensures only people who deserve to be in HK, are. People who are not just monied, but also talented, and can give back heavily to HK exchequer. Across the creek in Shenzhen, people are kind of glad with the way things are arranged. They get access to HK, while maintaining their lower costs of living. HK also lets them apply passive pressure on their civic and local administrations to keep the quality of their lives high.

    There's very little chance that these protests will snowball into anything worthwhile.
     
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    but old good days of SAR are gone… if u just compare Shenzhen and Hongkong across the creek - HK's mainstays are financial, property and service sectors. it once prospered as an entrepot when Mainland was under embargo. in contrast Shenzhen is an incubator for ZTE, Huawei and BYD in which Warren Buffett is a shareholder.

    the youth sure gotta vent their grievances out when HK wealth is mostly in the hands of tycoons and less relevant to them. Li Ka-shing the richest man for one has become more and more of their eyesore.

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    I agree, but HK people still appear to have a colonial hangover that gives them a fake superiority-complex over Shenzhen's tai huen chai's. It's not hatered, but mild contempt. But that never translates into political activism at all. Just for angry youth to blow their steam.
     
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    @tarunraju,

    If this HK protests are non starter, then why the hoop la and why is the Communist Mainland so concerned?

     
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    That's a CNN report. If anything has anything to do with China and democracy, they'll make it appear as if Godzilla just made landfall.
     
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    i was reading also looking at what happening. this needs a resolution and cannot go away easily. the reason is because according to constitution of hong kong it needs to be determined and handled. its a strange document open to create conflict (universal suffrage and freedom of speech and right to protest). the election process of the leader of hong kong is in the constitution and needs to be determined. some-say credit to CCP for following the terms.

    there are people of wide sphere and influence that will get and need to get involve since it is a question on interpretation, performance and also review (the question of Universal suffrage). it only takes one intellectual to say it is nonsense and everyone follows.

    also such people will be determined and knowledgeable and many are academics and people of high standing.

    but like you i feel nothing much will happen from these current protests.

    Also the PRC know they have the business leaders of hong kong by their balls. the look on the faces of the youth display a lot innocence and they have no clue what are the risks. but the people that protest aggressively in hong kong are the same bunch always and there is a history where they have developed huge support and a large demonstration has caused a reaction:

    Hong Kong Basic Law Article 23 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Sure the above had the background of poor economic environment and other issues that made people turn on the government of hong kong but has things improved that much in hong kong. there is history to show the CCP can be forced into doing something.

    The CCP chaps are smart but they have to be careful they can be shown to be ridiculing the Hong kong people and make them think they consider themselves superior.
     
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    It is not about "democrat", it is about "give and gain". The people of Hongkong is asking a political freedom far greater than their colonial period while their economic value is shrinking significantly since then. The current trend is that HK is relying more and more on mainland's economic support instead of the previous belief that Mainland will benefit greatly from the return of HK after 1997. In other words, HK pro-democrats are insisting the political rewards in the deal when HK failed to deliver the economic price they promised.

    HK is a loser in the economic competition with rest of China, Taiwan is another player losing their economic influence in mainland China. They are still important, not economically but politically. Unlike your "belief", the CCP is holding the "candy" promised, not to mention another big "candy".

    HongKong is the one rejected the suggestion of closer economic cooperation with Shenzhen.
     
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    It has quoted Chinese sources and newspaper.

    If it had not, then I would not have taken them seriously at all.
     
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    - How many companies that are state-owned are listed on Hong Kong stock exchange and rely on Hong Kong banking and financial center. Compare that before and after 1997.
    - How many of these companies have taken financing by way of their listing on the stock exchange. Compare that before and after 1997.
    - How many of these companies have taken capital restructuring and money refinancing to deal with the rest of the world. Compare that before and after 1997.
    - Do you want Hong Kong stock exchange to look like the one in Shanghai and Shenzen.
    - CCP has a golden goose in Hong Kong Stock Exchange and it is in "PRC territory" think about that.
    - Hong Kong importance to be Financial Center. Not manufacturing trading Center. Compare that before and after 1997.
    - The amount of factory and people that rely on management ownership being in and around Hong Kong.
    - Hong Kong importance to be dispute resolution center (including courts) for PRC and outside companies - because frankly overseas companies dont want to deal with PRC courts.
    - Hong Kong low tax regime.
    - Hong Kong low corruption. PRC goes to Hong Kong to learn.
    - Hong Kong government administration (western approach). PRC goes to Hong Kong to learn.

    It can be spun both ways. Hong Kong can say they have done too much for PRC and the PRC has failed to deliver the economic price they promise.

    But i tend to feel that the CCP chaps are more intelligent compared to the Democrats. Your views might be the ones that get spoken by the rich and wealthy (PRC also have them by their balls) and they control the opinion who selects the leader of hong kong at this moment.

    What i meant to say is why dont hong kong and shenzen join together to form a super (area) hong kong special administration area (Not economic area). That means the constitution of hong kong gets covered into shenzen and hong kong people manage shenzen.

    Fascinating times. October is going to be a big month ... in international affairs
     
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    A most unfortunate thing to happen to China.

    While one understand the rationale for Tibetan and Uighurs disliking the Han Chinese and the oppressive Han Chinese Communist Government, one is surprised as to why Han Chinese of HK (agreeing that all Han are the same people) should rebel against the Han Chinese Communist Government located at Beijing.

    Could it be that those who have seen sort sort of a democracy, and have breathed the fresh air of freedom under the British, even if they are Han, they are not ready to get suffocated by the Communism and dictatorship that the Mainland Chinese have got used to 'enjoy'?
     
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    A most unfortunate thing to happen to China.

    While one understand the rationale for Tibetan and Uighurs disliking the Han Chinese and the oppressive Han Chinese Communist Government, one is surprised as to why Han Chinese of HK (agreeing that all Han are the same people) should rebel against the Han Chinese Communist Government located at Beijing.

    Could it be that those who have seen sort sort of a democracy, and have breathed the fresh air of freedom under the British, even if they are Han, they are not ready to get suffocated by the Communism and dictatorship that the Mainland Chinese have got used to 'enjoy'?

    As the proverb goes, 'God gives every bird his worm but He does not throw it into the nest'.

    But then the Communists are Godless and so they won't understand.

    Communism is friend to all as they claim, but the Chinese proverb says - 广交友,无深交(guǎng jiāo yǒu,wú shēn jiāo) -A friend to everybody is a friend to nobody..

    Applicable Chinese proverbs are:

    山雨欲来风满楼(shān yǔ yù lái fēng mǎn lóu), Coming events cast their shadows before them.

    不作死就不会死(bù zuō sǐ jiù bú huì sǐ),No zuo no die. It means if you don’t do stupid things, they won’t come back and bite you in the ass. (but if you do, they most certainly will ) .

    And the Communists must remember - 愿得一人心,白首不相离 yuàn dé yī rén xīn, bái shǒu bù xiāng lí - Catch one’s heart, never be apart.

    Good Mooooooooooooooorning China!

    Something like:
     
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    Picture speaks lot a thousand words ...

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    Trouble in Hong Kong? Beijing Summons Tycoons - ABC News

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