Third IAF Sukhoi-30MKI goes down near Pune today afternoon, both pilots safe!

[ice berg]

Bull shit , You can not separate lie from the truth if there is lack of information. No wonder justice in China is done on CCP imagination, not by proofs.

There is always information. If you dont know where to look for, that is your problem. Anyway back to topic.

 

[cir]

Bull shit , You can not separate lie from the truth if there is lack of information. No wonder justice in China is done on CCP imagination, not by proofs.

CCP is not bollywood。

 

[maomao]

CCP is not bollywood。

Golly it is not.......Pheeew

I would seriously prefer to Kill Bollywood than let it become like wretched CCP.....I would rather watch pigs dancing than CCP. Now laugh slave boi

 

[Pandora]

Nothing more than junk left out there.

They couldnt locate blackbox until I was there.

3 search parties distributed to find it over 3km perimeter. Hope they find it before it gets complete dark.

Well am not gonna make any
sensational news here but my Dad said According to Pilots it seems FOD or bird hit but still not clear
why both engines flamed out after
FOD.
This's initial reports so might not be
100% true..

 

[SPIEZ]

Have they found the reason ...?

 

[nrj]

Well am not gonna make any
sensational news here but my Dad said According to Pilots it seems FOD or bird hit 'but still not clear
why both engines flamed out after
FOD This's initial reports so might not be
100% true..

Maybe possible because the altitude of aircraft must have been low as it had just took off from nearby airbase.

AFAIK Fighter left airbase around 1245hrs & crash reported on 1310hrs.

 

[Pandora]

Nothing more than junk left out there.

They couldnt locate blackbox until I was there.

3 search parties distributed to find it over 3km perimeter. Hope they find it before it gets complete dark.

Maybe possible because the altitude of aircraft must have been low as it had just took off from nearby airbase.

AFAIK Fighter left airbase around 1245hrs & crash reported on 1310hrs.

Exactly not to forget ,it took more than 15mins for reports to comes out after ATC was sure about crash ....Am sure more news comes out after pilots debriefing by AOC and his team including Russian technicians and engineers..Will follow up with Dad tommrow ..

 

[mikhail]

You are not saying the rest is due to lack of training? It cant be that bad.

the fact is nearly every 4++ generation aircraft has got a crash rate of 2-4 per 1,00,000 flying hours.but in case of sukhoi-30mkis it was virtually nil for the first 11 yrs of its induction.only in the recent couple of years 3 planes have crashed.though its a matter of concern for the most of us but in IAF's technical term this is quite acceptable.i mean 3 chashes in 13 yrs is an exellent flight record for any aircraft.so i can assure u that our sukhoi-30mkis won't crash like those old migs in the near future.n as for the training for the better part of the last decade IAF didn't have an advanced trainer.so it was forced to train our rookie pilots in mig-21s as a makeshift replacement for the advanced jet training.so most of those horrifying crashes were actually due the sheer inexperience of those noob pilots n not becoz of the machines(as most of the people tend to think)!

 

[hitesh]

the plane went through a bunch of flying birds , that's why both engine flame out happened .

 

[mikhail]

the plane went through a bunch of flying birds , that's why both engine flame out happened .

i also think that something like this might have happened today.but the unfortunate thing is that we have lost one of our premium air superiority aircraft today.now these sort of things will happen in future.so we have to be prepared for that.in my opinion we should order another couple of hundreds of sukhoi-30mkis from russia asap,in this way we'll be able to have some credible deterrence against the huge PLAAF which would otherwise start to have complete air superiority on us in the near future.

 

[W.G.Ewald]

i also think that something like this might have happened today.but the unfortunate thing is that we have lost one of our premium air superiority aircraft today.

The pilots will fly again, thank God.

 

[nitesh]

Old FBW issue it seems:

3rd Sukhoi crash, old problem suspected - Indian Express

 

[Armand2REP]

Free media or not got nothing to do with it. It is the ability to separate the lies from the truth, no matter where you live.

Free media got everything to do with it. We know so many dirty truths about India it is no suprise when we see a plane drop. You only hear about a plane crash in China until it gets off the blogs, and that misses 99% of all crashes that get covered up.

 

[nitesh]

IAF grounds Sukhoi till 'precautionary checks' over - The Economic Times

HAL is manufacturing under licence the bulk of the 272 Sukhois ordered from Russia in deals worth Rs 55,717 crore. IAF has inducted over 130 Sukhois, with a couple of squadrons even coming up in Tezpur and Chabua airbases in Assam in the last couple of years as "a strategic deterrent" against China.

Though IAF ordered a court of inquiry to ascertain the exact reason behind Tuesday's crash, what accentuated concerns is that preliminary reports held the mishap was due to "technical problems", possibly due to the failure of "fly-by-wire (FBW) control system".

"There was no engine failure or `flame-out'. It seems the pilots lost the controls of the fighter, leaving them with no option but to undertake planned ejection," said an officer.

The suspicion is again on the FBW system now. If the technical defect is major in terms of system malfunction or design problem, Russian engineers might once again be called to assist HAL and IAF in probing the crash. IAF itself is keen to clear the air soon, with plans already underway to base Sukhoi squadrons in Halwara (Punjab) and Jodhpur (Rajasthan) for the western front.

 

[hitesh]

Old FBW issue it seems:

3rd Sukhoi crash, old problem suspected - Indian Express

its stating 1st one crashed due to same problem but actually its was pilot problem , isn't it

 

[pankaj nema]

What ever be the problem we have to face it and SOLVE it

But yes it hurts on a psychological level to see India's pride going down

But on a positive note This is a crash After 2 years the last crash happened in 2009 November

The Su30 mki fleet is only going to grow BIGGER as it has been decided that Su30 mki will be
the Mainstay of IAF till 2040

The IAF fleet will be built around Su30 mki . PAK FA MMRCA will be leading the IAF attack after 2020
But Su 30 will provide the NECESSARY numbers

 

[nitesh]

its stating 1st one crashed due to same problem but actually its was pilot problem , isn't it

Sorry didn't get you, can you explain further the point you are trying to make.

 

[Galaxy]

It's highly unlikely that both engine can fail or loss of E.P. to control system as System can work without power for 30+ minutes. It won't take to land as crash happened within 5-10 minutes from airbase only.

I am not sure, But if the reason is technical related with control system, Then it's mostly likely MKI faced a bolt of lightning or some internal wire-chafing. So, Either it's unavoidable and uncontrollable issue or some faculty fault in internal wiring issue.

 

[hitesh]

Sorry didn't get you, can you explain further the point you are trying to make.

The 1st su30mki crashed due to pilot error ,not due to any FBW malfunction
India’s Su-30 cause of the crash identified the cockpit design defects (Figure ) | shoesagents

Upon completion of booking subject, a pilot ready to press close the fire control system button, only to mistakenly press the control-board computer power supply button, resulting in aircraft suddenly lost control and crashed.

 

[nitesh]

The 1st su30mki crashed due to pilot error ,not due to any FBW malfunction
India's Su-30 cause of the crash identified the cockpit design defects (Figure ) | shoesagents

confusion here too

IAF grounds Sukhoi till 'precautionary checks' over - The Economic Times

The main reason behind one of the two earlier Sukhoi crashes in 2009 was attributed to the FBW system (the other was due to "a fuel leak"), which led to summoning of Russian engineers to probe the crash and the entire Sukhoi fleet being grounded for three weeks.

Later, it emerged that one of the pilots had accidentally switched off the FBW system, located behind him in the cockpit, while trying to change the radar mode from one frequency to another.