There were no Hindus in Goa before Portuguese landed: Church thinker

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    There were no Hindus in Goa before Portuguese landed: Church thinker - Firstpost
    By Mayabhushan Nagvenkar

    Panaji: In BJP-ruled Goa, a leading Christian theologist from the influential Roman Catholic Church has claimed that ‘Hindus’ did not exist in region during the pre-Portuguese era.

    Fr. Victor Ferrao, a dean at the state’s most renowned Rachol Roman Catholic seminary, which trains and grooms budding priests has also said in his research paper that the scores of temples demolished by the Portuguese colonists from 15th century onwards were not Hindu temples, but instead belonged to different “independent cults and religions which were often at war with each other”.

    Ferrao in his paper presented at a recent seminar ‘The Challenge to be a Goan Christian’ held here, that by painting of pre-colonial Goa as Hindu territory, “there is a direct attempt to turn the historical facts about conversion against the Church and the Christians of today”.

    The renowned Church academic in his research paper even goes a step further and attributes political motives to the “reductionist and distortionist” appropriation of Goa’s history by Hindu-logists.
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    A leading Christian theologist from the influential Roman Catholic Church has claimed that ‘Hindus’ did not exist in region during the pre-Portuguese era. AFP

    “I have described these attempts as Hindu-ology. In fact even the word Hindu does not exist in the entire sixteenth century Indo-Portuguese historiography,” his paper titled ‘The Other Orientalism and the Challenge and Opportunities for the Church in Goa’ reads.

    The revelations in the research paper come at a time when the BJP has been trying to cosy up with the Church in Goa, which is the spiritual and religious beacon to nearly one third of Goa’s population which is Catholic and a key vote bank.

    In fact, tacit support of the Goa Church, although its spokesperson later categorically denied any truck with the BJP in the 2012 assembly polls, was one of the key reasons why the BJP swept the elections, apart from an unprecedented eight Catholic candidates which the party had fielded.

    The Catholic swing towards the BJP ensured that the party romp home with a majority on its own, an unheard of electoral feat in Goa, where a hotch-potch of results is the norm.

    However, the issue of Goa’s chequered religious past before the advent of the spices and Christian-seeking Portuguese has also been a matter of debate.

    A large section of authors and historians have insisted that Goa has been described in ancient texts as a land reclaimed by Sage Parshurama, an avatar of Lord Vishnu, from the sea and that the state known for beaches, booze, nightlife, sex tourism and drugs now, was once called ‘Konkan Kashi’ or Benaras of the South.

    A view which was endorsed by the Vishwa Hindu Parishad, which during a conclave held here in 2000, released a six page brochure on the subject.

    “Goa, even four decades after liberation, is misguidedly projected as the Rome of the East, particularly in tourism – by government and non-government agencies. But Goa is the Kashi of the west coast India… The Portuguese are not the makers but destroyers of Golden Goa,” the brochure read.

    Ferrao, in his research paper, a copy of which is available with Firstpost, however insists that such obfuscation stemming from political motives, was one of the key reasons why Christians in Goa now have to “lay claim to their own history” in the pre-Portuguese era.

    “It important to assert that we have not come from Hinduism of today, but the then fragmented cults that today have been steadily assimilated into Hinduism of today,” Ferrao said, quoting noted historian Romila Thapar to back his treatise.

    Ferrao said that the claims of forced conversions and demolishing of temples during the early Portuguese era were essentially to be found only in “narratives of the post-colonial historiography mainly authored by the Hindu historians in our days”.

    “Though the temples that were demolished were not Hindu, but one(s) that belonged to different cults that have united into Hinduism of today the Hindu community is certainly carrying the pain of this false impression,” the paper reads.

    The paper further says that both the Hindu religion and nationalism are a product of colonialisation, adding that to reduce pre-Hindu religions, cults or sects and their unification under Hinduism in the 19th century amounted to an “epistemological” error.

    Several other scholars, however, tend to disagree with Ferrao’s argument.

    P P Shirodkar, who has authored several books on Goa’s history, says in research paper ‘Social Cultural life in Goa during the 16th century says: “At the time of the fall of Goa in the hands of the Portuguese, its population, majority of whom were Hindus, followed by the Muslims mostly on military duty continued to live in villages with its agricultural communities”. He further says that villagers in Goa followed the Hindu law of inheritance.

    In a journal ‘Goa and Portugal: Their Cultural Links’ edited by Charles J Borges and Helmut Feldmann published by the Xavier Centre for Historical Research (XCHR) Archana Kakodkar argues that Hindus “were a very self conscious community”.

    “For historic reasons, Hindus in Portuguese India were a very self consciuous community. The impact of the Portuguese rule, destruction of Hindu temples and the subsequent policy of conversion further enhanced this awareness,” she says.

    Paul Axelrod and Michelle A. Fuerch, scholars from Ripon College in Wisconsin write in Modern Asian Studies, a journal published by the Cambridge University press in 1996 that there was a pronounced “Hindu resistance” to Portuguese colonial designs.

    “The focus of this article will be on Hindu resistance to the policies that were applied by the colonial regime and its role in shaping of the regional culture: in face of over-whelming physial force, direct defiance revealed itself primarily in the religious life of Hindu Goa as archival records of the Portuguese rule and temple histories demonstrate,” the duo says in their research paper titled ‘Flight of Deities: Hindu Resistance in Portuguese Goa’.

    Ferrao, however, claims that Christians living in Goa, had forgotten their origins (that they were part of independent cults and religions) and “are wounded and continue to be victims of the aggression of their Hindu counterparts”.

    Ferrao has also called for a therapeutic dialogue between the two communities living in Goa.

    “There is an inevitable need of dialogue that can heal wounded memories in our Society,” he said.

    Christians account for nearly 30 per cent of Goa’s 15 lakh plus population.
     
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    Re: There were no Hindus in Goa before Portuguese landed: Church think

    did Vasco-da-gama towed the state of goa from Portuguese to his ship and sailed to india and attached it to the main land.......... Mannnnnnn this is stupid considering it came from a educated Priest
     
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    A heap of bullshit.
     
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    Re: There were no Hindus in Goa before Portuguese landed: Church think

    Renowned for what? Koi academic nahi yeh toh fanatic hai.
     
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    Re: There were no Hindus in Goa before Portuguese landed: Church think

    WHY is that every religion has to be at war with something (yes offcourse except for Jains and buddist).

    This religion`s are always in search for enemy
     
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    Re: There were no Hindus in Goa before Portuguese landed: Church think

    I didn't read the article, and I wold not... There is no need to...

    I agree with the title itself wholeheartedly... There were no Hindus in Goa before he Portuguese came. It was always a Martian colony before that.

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    Re: There were no Hindus in Goa before Portuguese landed: Church think

    :facepalm: Dude is somehow related to 'farhan' me thinks ! :hmm:
     
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    Re: There were no Hindus in Goa before Portuguese landed: Church think

    Another day they will say there were no Hindus in India before the British came to India. But the it is true, until these foreigners came to India we were following SANATHANA DHARMA which is not a religion and after they came they created a new religion and divided the people........
     
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    Re: There were no Hindus in Goa before Portuguese landed: Church think

    I think that this 'pado' (priest as we used to call the priest in our schooldays) is either low in his coffer or is looking for Cardinalship in the Vatican.

    Hence, he has to produced music for the Pope's ear!

    I am tired at the way the religious classes of all religions are spinning away to create confusion in this country.

    There sure must be what Indira Gandhi famously said - a foreign hand!

    Next, if someone breaks wind, people will rush to find out the religion that stink represent.

    Indeed, religion sinks and stinks in this country!
     
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    Re: There were no Hindus in Goa before Portuguese landed: Church think

    So what's the respected theologist's explanation for there being more Konkanis in Karnataka than in their original homeland if not for the crazy, fanatical Christianity practiced by the Portuguese?
     
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    Re: There were no Hindus in Goa before Portuguese landed: Church think

    It's standard evangelical procedure of attacking history. Nothing new here.

    Can someone explain this?
     
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    Re: There were no Hindus in Goa before Portuguese landed: Church think

    It is not the Christians who are bothered,.

    It is these pados who live and feast off the earning of the Church and who want to kiss the Pope's feet, when kissing the Pope's ring is enough!
     
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    Hindus did not exist in India, wonder where they popped up :)

    On a more serious note catholic priest be thankful to Hindus otherwise you can see what happen to your ilks across the border.
     
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    Re: There were no Hindus in Goa before Portuguese landed: Church think

    It was reverse ,no christians and they are famous for converting
     
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    Re: There were no Hindus in Goa before Portuguese landed: Church think

    One might think that among all the bad rep that Catholics are getting, they would smarten up their act. But no, they had to say something stupid to start the day.
     
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    Well what can u expect form pujari,maulvi and pope
     
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    He's talking out of his ass but problem is that few right wing fundamentalists themselves claim hinduism is not a religoin.
     
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    ACTUALLY NO ONE KNOWS- WHAT HINDUISM IS ? :pound:
     
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    a religion it is :yoda:
     
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