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ya grateful as we are. but bear in mind "respect" or "status" or membership of the "exclusive" club was earned, not a favour bestowed upon China.

would Nixon or Kissinger have done the **** trick for China if China were nobody in the equation?? Any free bread in the world?


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They did it to encourage China as a niggling element since China was veering away from the USSR and USSR was their enemy No 1.

China's proximity to China was alluring.

And the US was hell bent to dismember Communism, which they did with USSR and is in the process of doing it with China, by alluring them into the ways of capitalism, to encourage Robber Barons and then break up the society into haves and have nots. And they are doing well.

China was nowhere in the reckoning when China was given the seat!

Therefore, it was not 'hard earned'.

China was just a tool in the geopolitical interest of the US.

That is the 'bread' for which crumbs were thrown!
 

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What is so special in UN SC seat, if you take out symbolism? Every now and then a foreign leader comes to India and supports India for seat, takes away billion dollar deals. Next day its business as usual. It looks like foreign countries benefit more from Indian fetish about this seat than India itself.

We need to grow some real balls, we will automatically get a seat.

How about putting countries like Nepal, Bangladesh in line first, Russian style. There is still no justice for Mumbai terrorist attack victims. we free terrorists if there buddies hijack plane. We are a soft state, as far as external enemies are concerned. If we cant fix these real issues, we don't deserve any seat. It will be useless for us anyway even if we got one.
 

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What is so special in UN SC seat, if you take out symbolism? Every now and then a foreign leader comes to India and supports India for seat, takes away billion dollar deals. Next day its business as usual. It looks like foreign countries benefit more from Indian fetish about this seat than India itself.

We need to grow some real balls, we will automatically get a seat.

How about putting countries like Nepal, Bangladesh in line first, Russian style. There is still no justice for Mumbai terrorist attack victims. we free terrorists if there buddies hijack plane. We are a soft state, as far as external enemies are concerned. If we cant fix these real issues, we don't deserve any seat. It will be useless for us anyway even if we got one.
So if foreign leaders coming to india did not made support statement for UNSC bid, then india wud not be making deals for nuclear reactors, so many lucrative deals with US, proposed pakfa deal with russia ?

You are a painting a picture as if deals are no use to india, and we can live without it.
 

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ganesh177, that was not the crux/moral of my post. Read "whole" post as one topic to keep things in perspective.

BTW not all deals are lucrative. C-17 stands out. M2000 upgrade is another one. India plays pleasing politics but gets little results in the end. Instead of something useful, all it gets is flattery about things like India deserve UN seat, biggest democracy, natural allies etc. etc. etc.
 

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What is so special in UN SC seat, if you take out symbolism? Every now and then a foreign leader comes to India and supports India for seat, takes away billion dollar deals. Next day its business as usual. It looks like foreign countries benefit more from Indian fetish about this seat than India itself.

We need to grow some real balls, we will automatically get a seat.

How about putting countries like Nepal, Bangladesh in line first, Russian style. There is still no justice for Mumbai terrorist attack victims. we free terrorists if there buddies hijack plane. We are a soft state, as far as external enemies are concerned. If we cant fix these real issues, we don't deserve any seat. It will be useless for us anyway even if we got one.
if India's nominal GDP were 10 trillion USD like USA, then India would get veto soon.,but india's nomonal GDP is just over 1 trillion USD.

or
If india had 3000+ nukes like Russia, India would get veto soon.but now, India has only 30+ nukes.

or
if India's nominal GDP were 5 trillion USD and had 300 nukes, India would have some chance to get veto soon.
but ,India's nominal GDP is only a few more than 1 trillion USD and has only 30 nukes....



So.India now has only cheap polite formulas such as " the biggest democracy deserve one veto" from Obama.

however, cheap polite formulas are better than nothing, no matter how cheap and useless they are.
As we know, S.Africa and Nigeria even can not acquire any cheap polite formula from P5 ,because the GDP of either has only about 0.1 trillion USD and have no nuke.

BTW,
indian friends.

Your complaining is not helpful for india to get one veto.
work hard and make your country richer and more powerful, then veto will come naturelly.
 
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^^^ I will rephrase your last line:
work hard and make your country richer, more belligerent and more powerful, then veto will come naturally.

BTW how do you know India has 30 nukes ??????

Another "important" question:

What has China achieved with a veto, that it would otherwise not have achieved?
 
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Did you check the Washington Post source or you are being plain stupid in being selective?? It is a known fact that China got its membership due to Nehru as there was no chance of Chine getting a membership then! Looking at the past of China, hardly US or Russia was in favor of Mao regime, hence its clear China was a non-deserving-secondary candidate and stupidity of Nehru got them the seat by Chance!!
Please, provide any american government document to support your claim.
 

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Please, provide any american government document to support your claim.
Can you provide counter claims through CCP documents?? Or support any of your claims by accessing CCP documents?:funny_2:

We provide News paper links, and they are enough for an evidence that China got its memebership due to Nehru, which it never deserved then. Enough articles from former IFS and IAS are available at your behest, however, people who believe in rumours and propaganda of CCP should not ask for GOI documents to get their point across, rather undeserving China (then) should be thankful to us!!:happy_2::happy_2:
 

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if India's nominal GDP were 10 trillion USD like USA, then India would get veto soon.,but india's nomonal GDP is just over 1 trillion USD.

or
If india had 3000+ nukes like Russia, India would get veto soon.but now, India has only 30+ nukes.

or
if India's nominal GDP were 5 trillion USD and had 300 nukes, India would have some chance to get veto soon.
but ,India's nominal GDP is only a few more than 1 trillion USD and has only 30 nukes....



So.India now has only cheap polite formulas such as " the biggest democracy deserve one veto" from Obama.

however, cheap polite formulas are better than nothing, no matter how cheap and useless they are.
As we know, S.Africa and Nigeria even can not acquire any cheap polite formula from P5 ,because the GDP of either has only about 0.1 trillion USD and have no nuke.

BTW,
indian friends.

Your complaining is not helpful for india to get one veto.
work hard and make your country richer and more powerful, then veto will come naturelly.
Money is an obsession with Chinese psyche it appears.

But money does not spell happiness,

Spiritualism does!

Get some spiritualism (and which is beyond State control) and feel the difference!
 

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Can you provide counter claims through CCP documents?? Or support any of your claims by accessing CCP documents?:funny_2:

We provide News paper links, and they are enough for an evidence that China got its memebership due to Nehru, which it never deserved then. Enough articles from former IFS and IAS are available at your behest, however, people who believe in rumours and propaganda of CCP should not ask for GOI documents to get their point across, rather undeserving China (then) should be thankful to us!!:happy_2::happy_2:
Now, it is you-making a claim: iindia was offered UNSC seat by US. Obviously, you have the responsibility to prove it, isn't it?

Yes, you provide a quote from an US newspaper. But since when, a sentence from a newpaper can be used as a supporting documents? To be clear, the words on these newspaper is only an opinion unless they have offical source.
 

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if India's nominal GDP were 10 trillion USD like USA, then India would get veto soon.,but india's nomonal GDP is just over 1 trillion USD.

or
If india had 3000+ nukes like Russia, India would get veto soon.but now, India has only 30+ nukes.

or
if India's nominal GDP were 5 trillion USD and had 300 nukes, India would have some chance to get veto soon.
but ,India's nominal GDP is only a few more than 1 trillion USD and has only 30 nukes....



So.India now has only cheap polite formulas such as " the biggest democracy deserve one veto" from Obama.

however, cheap polite formulas are better than nothing, no matter how cheap and useless they are.
As we know, S.Africa and Nigeria even can not acquire any cheap polite formula from P5 ,because the GDP of either has only about 0.1 trillion USD and have no nuke.

BTW,
indian friends.

Your complaining is not helpful for india to get one veto.
work hard and make your country richer and more powerful, then veto will come naturelly.
who said to u that india has a gdp of a trillion dollars!wake up frm ur wet dream little(4 feet) guy.:pound:
n btw frm which source did u get that magical nos. of nuke that india posseses!plz try to gain some knowledge about india n world economy before making such foolish comments!
indian gdp(nominal) is 1.71 trillion$(2011)
indian gdp(ppp) is 4.2 trillion$(2010)
n taking about our nukes.india has currently got around 100-120 nukes n has a nuclear triad capacity.
so before talkin b.s. try to read some informations regardin the matter little(3 feet tall) guy!:rofl::taunt:
 

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who said to u that india has a gdp of a trillion dollars!wake up frm ur wet dream little(4 feet) guy.:pound:
n btw frm which source did u get that magical nos. of nuke that india posseses!plz try to gain some knowledge about india n world economy before making such foolish comments!
indian gdp(nominal) is 1.71 trillion$(2011)
indian gdp(ppp) is 4.2 trillion$(2010)
n taking about our nukes.india has currently got around 100-120 nukes n has a nuclear triad capacity.
so before talkin b.s. try to read some informations regardin the matter little(3 feet tall) guy!:rofl::taunt:
Ever heard of the term necroposting. Check the dates.

I don't think our economy is near $1.7billion either. Look at the exchange rate. That would mean we have a GDP 91 Trillion Rupees, impossible. Look closer, 75-80Trillion and convert.
 

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If there's smoke there's fire. All evidence suggest that at one point the USSR and US were both assisting India, 50s and 60s (note that the US was supportive of India's independence even before that). Nehru apparently was so self-rigtheous to take advantage of the opportunity.
 

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India lost the right to UNSC seat when we were badly humiliated by China in 1962. Winners take it all, Losers invent consipiracy theories to satisfy their ego. India did not deserve a seat, we don't deserve one now. We will feel ourselves to be extremely lucky if we can control the affairs in the region we call ours, but the signals suggest otherwise.
 

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India lost the right to UNSC seat when we were badly humiliated by China in 1962. Winners take it all, Losers invent consipiracy theories to satisfy their ego. India did not deserve a seat, we don't deserve one now. We will feel ourselves to be extremely lucky if we can control the affairs in the region we call ours, but the signals suggest otherwise.

Don't be so tough on your country. I think India is a great and very promising country. If there's any country that can sufficiently counter balance China in Asia it is India - it's got the population and ambition. Nehru had his positive and negative virtues. As a Gandhi disciple and a real idealist Nehru, who was very popular during his time, steered India into parliamentary democracy. He could have easily made himself a dictator but he did not. But on the negative side, well let's face it idealism is good for revolutions but not really that ideal for real-life governance. Nehru was simply too idealistic and morally self-assured to take the bare knuckle in your face opportunism that his peers exhibited (think of Deng). He was simply too sensitive to be an effective strategic player.

I guess succeeding Indian leaders have to contend with Nehru's ghost, "non-alignment." But when push comes to shove it becomes alignment. Unfortunately India aligned with the wrong power.
 
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Now, it is you-making a claim: iindia was offered UNSC seat by US. Obviously, you have the responsibility to prove it, isn't it?

Yes, you provide a quote from an US newspaper. But since when, a sentence from a newpaper can be used as a supporting documents? To be clear, the words on these newspaper is only an opinion unless they have offical source.
Rather than being thick skulled CCP center, read my earlier posts I have given enough links to prove my assertions.......When you got the UNSC seat you were the most undeserving candidate and thanks to dumna@@ Nehru you got the seat.!!
 

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Don't be so tough on country. I think India is a great and very promising country. If there's any country that can sufficiently counter balance China in Asia it is India - it's got the population and ambition. Nehru had his positive and negative virtues. As a Gandhi disciple and a real idealist Nehru, who was very popular during his time, steered India into parliamentary democracy. He could have easily made himself a dictator but he did not. But on the negative side, well let's face it idealism is good for revolutions but not really that ideal for real-life governance. Nehru was simply too idealistic and morally self-assured to take the bare knuckle in your face opportunism that his peers exhibited (think of Deng). He was simply too sensitive to be an effective strategic player.

I guess succeeding Indian leaders have to contend with Nehru's ghost, "non-alignment." But when push comes to shove it becomes alignment. Unfortunately India aligned with the wrong power.
Thanks for that .
 

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Ever heard of the term necroposting. Check the dates.

I don't think our economy is near $1.7billion either. Look at the exchange rate. That would mean we have a GDP 91 Trillion Rupees, impossible. Look closer, 75-80Trillion and convert.
sorry mate but i couldn't stop myself frm posting when i saw him unnecessarily bashin india n makin false claims.
mate india is the 9th largest economy in term of gdp(nominal) 2011 estimates.
n its the 4th largest economy in terms of gdp(ppp) 2011 estimate.
-by wikipedia
 

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Don't be so tough on your country. I think India is a great and very promising country. If there's any country that can sufficiently counter balance China in Asia it is India - it's got the population and ambition. Nehru had his positive and negative virtues. As a Gandhi disciple and a real idealist Nehru, who was very popular during his time, steered India into parliamentary democracy. He could have easily made himself a dictator but he did not. But on the negative side, well let's face it idealism is good for revolutions but not really that ideal for real-life governance. Nehru was simply too idealistic and morally self-assured to take the bare knuckle in your face opportunism that his peers exhibited (think of Deng). He was simply too sensitive to be an effective strategic player.

I guess succeeding Indian leaders have to contend with Nehru's ghost, "non-alignment." But when push comes to shove it becomes alignment. Unfortunately India aligned with the wrong power.
thanks for trusting india's capabilities.i think the chipandas(chinese pandas) also know this n thats wehy they never miss an oppurtunity when it comes to humiliate india n unfortunately we had some leaders in the past who blindly trusted the chinese commies n becoz of them india suffered terribly.but don't worry we'll eventually get UNSC seat in the near future by hook or by crook!
 

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