There was no offer by UN to India 1955

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  1. nimo_cn

    nimo_cn Senior Member Senior Member

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    Prime Minister Nehru has categorically denied any offer, formal or informal, having been received about a seat for India in the UN Security Council. He made this statement in reply to a short notice question in the Lok Sabha on September 27 by Dr. J.N. Parekh whether India had refused a seat informally offered to her in the Security Council. The Prime Minister said: "There has been no offer, formal or informal, of this kind. Some vague references have appeared in the press about it which have no foundation in fact. The composition of the Security Council is prescribed by the UN Charter, according to which certain specified nations have permanent seats. No change or addition can be made to this without an amendment of the Charter. There is, therefore, no question of a seat being offered and India declining it. Our declared policy is to support the admission of all nations qualified for UN membership.''

    http://www.hindu.com/2005/09/28/stories/2005092800270900.htm
     
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    maomao Veteran Hunter of Maleecha Senior Member

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    This deal has been out in the open and Nehru has been criticized on many occasions, this is nothing but UPA saving its face.....It was because of Nehru's stupidity that China got membership, which China never deserved then, their are many articles and authors from Foreign Ministry who say otherwise!!

    Nehru has become a punchline for being a Foreign Policy disaster (for personal gains and being a spoilt aristocrat brat) in India and the world!
     
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    maomao Veteran Hunter of Maleecha Senior Member

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    He (Nehru) also declined the Soviet offer of the sixth permanent seat on the UN Security Council and told them that some in America were suggesting that India should replace China in the council. This was to “create trouble between us and China.” Nothing, he added, should be done until the China’s admission into the UN and allied issues were settled.

    Indian Express:

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/hepy-to-see-nehru/705367/0

    P.S: China must be thankful to stupid Nehru and his treacherous antics, I wish even China gets a Nehru, so that we can return the favor of his stupidity, I "wish" Wen Jiabao gets bitten by Nehru (demented, delusional and self-hatting) virus!! :)
     
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    amoy Senior Member Senior Member

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    I'm an admirer of your inflated ego and your creative version of history.

    A question: There was a China (R.O.C.) - the US's ally, as a permanent member in UNSC back then . Do u fancy India would have replaced ROC for that seat? or Did Nehru wish to see 2 China's (ROC+PRC) as permanent members of UNSC?
     
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    badguy2000 Respected Member Senior Member

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    even if there had been such an offer, the offer would had been as cheap as Obama's offer of UNSC seat to India today..

    Well, Guy, Obama also said just several weeks ago that India should ge veto of UNSC....but so what? Any other member of P5 can veto any attempt to expand UNSC .
    Futhermore,When Obama flattered India, Hillary Cliton was laughing at India .
    Only stupid guys would take such cheap polite formulas seriouly...
    the case that Nehru wrote such cheap forlumas into the book just proves how naive and stupid Nehru was!
     
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    S.A.T.A Senior Member Senior Member

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    When China opposed the Indian nuclear deal from gaining exception from the NSG,apparently it a took a mere phone call from president Bush to Chicom president to get China mewling its acquiescence.China's political intellect must be stuck in a kennel for them to listen to a guy,who had a shoe thrown at him and practically had nobody in his native country taking him seriously,be heard with such earnestness............poor Mao must groaning in his grave(or its equivalent)for all the braggart he was,Mao was surely made of sterner stuff than the douche bags who occupy his chair today.....'Cheap Chinese stuff' is not just a advertising cliche.
     
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    maomao Veteran Hunter of Maleecha Senior Member

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    Just because everything in China is cheap and Low-Quality, so you suggest everything with others is also cheap? There are countries which strive to achieve quality than quantity, and defy living in falsehood and Propaganda!! We have full access to "INFORMATION" and can Debunk our own GOI, so what makes you think we will take CCP BS seriously? (lol)

    China should be thankful for idiotic Nehru, if not for Nehru's stupidity China would have been like North Korea!! :)

    India today is serious at UNSC and will achieve it by any means, we don't care about Hillary, Wen, Hu or whoever :)
     
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    maomao Veteran Hunter of Maleecha Senior Member

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    Double post...........................
     
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    There we go again............. India was not offered any seat. It was all heresay. If at all there was any informal or secret US offer to india, it would have been declassified by now and out in the open as its their policy to declassified old secrets except one of national importance or security.

    The common argument by some indian posters about Nehru asking the membership to be given to china does not hold good as china (ROC) was already a member of the SC. The only effort india took was to make china be recognized as the real china and the SC seat be taken from ROC to PRC. Eventually that is what happened. And no it was not at Indias behest that happened but because the wider world ultimately recognized PRC. Taiwan still holds a grudge against india till date for having being vocal in support of the PRC.
     
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    This is an excerpt from actual record of minutes of the meeting between Prime minister Jawarharlal Nehru and Soviet premier Nikolai Bulganin that took place in Moscow in June 22, 1955.This quote is from "Selected Works of Jawaharlal Nehru; Second Series, Volume 29; General Editor: S. Gopal; Edited by H. Y. Sharada Prasad and A. K. Damodaran"

     
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    Knowing the Nerhu-Gandhi mindset i would not be surprised if this story is indeed real! His willingness to bend over backwards and recognizance Tibet as a part of China and impress Mao etc., are well know.
     
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    Yes, another indian paperwork to support an indian claim. How funny is that!

    I wonder why there is no america document that has been revealed regarding this issue. Why didn't american gov keep any record of such an important event?
     
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    Well, look at thie author of this paper: Rama Lakshmi
    It seems that an indian name.
    Why can't you give us some American gov document or some American official's witness to support your claim?
    So far, regarding this matter, all we got is: some indians say that india did a great favor for china because some other indians said so.
     
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    nimo_cn Senior Member Senior Member

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    And what is also important is we've also got Indian sources say there was no such offer.

    I am interested in finding out how long this rumor is gonna persist in Indian cyberspace.
     
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    The issue of Taiwan being replaced could have been spiked!

    Until 1991, the ROC also actively claimed to be the sole legitimate government of China, and during the 1950s and 1960s this claim was accepted by the United States and most of its allies. While the PRC was an ally of the Soviet Union, the U.S. sought to prevent the Communist bloc from gaining another permanent seat in the Security Council. To protest the exclusion of the PRC, Soviet representatives boycotted the UN from January to August 1950 and their absence allowed for the intervention of UN military forces in Korea.

    In 1952, the ROC complained to the UN against the Soviet Union for violating the Sino-Soviet Treaty of Friendship and Alliance of 14 August 1945 and the Charter of the United Nations. The UN General Assembly has found that the Soviet Union prevented the National Government of the ROC from re-establishing Chinese authority in Manchuria after Japan surrendered and gave military and economic aid to the Chinese Communists, who founded the PRC in 1949, against the National Government of the ROC. Resolution 505 was passed to condemn the Soviet Union with 25 countries supporting, 9 countries opposing and 24 countries abstaining.

    From the 1960s onwards, nations friendly to the PRC, led by the People's Republic of Albania under Enver Hoxha, moved an annual resolution in the General Assembly to transfer China's seat at the UN from the ROC to the PRC. Every year the United States was able to assemble a majority of votes to block this resolution. But the admission of newly independent developing nations in the 1960s gradually turned the General Assembly from being Western-dominated to being dominated by countries sympathetic to Beijing. In addition, the desire of the Nixon administration to improve relations with the de facto government of mainland China to counterbalance the Soviet Union reduced American willingness to support the ROC.

    As a result of these trends, on October 25, 1971, Resolution 2758 was passed by the General Assembly, withdrawing recognition of the ROC as the legitimate government of China, and recognizing the PRC as the sole legitimate government of China.

    It was Nixon and Kissinger who paved and eased the way for Communist China to become a member of the Security Council.

    Without Tricky Di.ck, China would have been in the wilderness!

    China has much to be grateful to their capitalist friend, the US!
     
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    maomao Veteran Hunter of Maleecha Senior Member

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    Did you check the Washington Post source or you are being plain stupid in being selective?? It is a known fact that China got its membership due to Nehru as there was no chance of Chine getting a membership then! Looking at the past of China, hardly US or Russia was in favor of Mao regime, hence its clear China was a non-deserving-secondary candidate and stupidity of Nehru got them the seat by Chance!!

    You have to understand Democracy first, I know you have been deprived of it and Chinese totally depend of CCP propaganda as news source. However, in India we have many newspapers and different political parties, who have "Full Freedom of Expression" (unlike autocratic China and CCP) and we have full "Right to Information" (unlike censorship in China eg. Google debacle), so when a neutral source gives out information, it has more credibility than a political stooge of a political party (unlike China), so its easy to say Objectivity in India and Free-world gets first place instead of Govt. propaganda!

    I know it must be difficult for all you Chinese to understand how can we talk against out own Govt. (lol) and stay alive and kicking, thats the beauty of democracy, its hard I know its hard for people who have spent their whole life under dictators!!:happy_2:
     
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    badguy2000 Respected Member Senior Member

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    well,guy, even If China now were not the member of UN,so what?

    China could use its economy clout and political influnece and cripple any effort of UN,and as CHina now cripples IMF and workbank in Africa with CHinese fund.

    remember: .

    it is not because of UN that P5 are something.
    it is because of P5 that UN is something.
     
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    maomao Veteran Hunter of Maleecha Senior Member

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    Thats again a CCP propaganda, one phone call from White house and every Chinese falls in line!
     
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    amoy Senior Member Senior Member

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    ya grateful as we are. but bear in mind "respect" or "status" or membership of the "exclusive" club was earned, not a favour bestowed upon China.

    would Nixon or Kissinger have done the **** trick for China if China were nobody in the equation?? Any free bread in the world?

    when 'propaganda' is abused by everybody, the only way is to get "FACT" based in discussion
     

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