Discussion in 'Pakistan' started by Adux, Jun 20, 2014.
Watch 16.30 onwards for 2 minutes
Watch at 1.17.00 , its beautiful, India is quite assertive in Afghanistan
From misdiagnosis to over diagnosis; if one has to explain American reaction on Pakistan in one line.
Now a days books on Pakistan are getting out like they all are in a hurry to prove some point when we all know it didn't happen in one day or post 9/11. We Indians were shouting from the roof tops about their double games against both of its neighbor and civilized world vis a vis their nuclear ambitions and rouge practices encouraged by both USA and China inadvertently or intentionally.
What ever Obama/Bush say openly they know (WTF CIA for)paki's are supporting & will support taliban
But why now their media&intellectuals shouting may be US want to change its policy (No Aid&Arms for Paki's in future) totally, then question arise who fill the VACUUM in Afghan (or oppose talib)
Is India proactive, is India send its armed forces, is India provide arms
India cannot and should not send troops to Afghanistan, we can fight in Afghanistan effectively without having any boots on the ground. If we have big enough wallet. There are enough people in Afghanistan who hates Pakistan, and wants a better Afghanistan
We should start supporting the erstwhile NA and other groups hostile to pakistan.Beefing up Afghanistan's military capability an maintaining the afhans hostile to the pakis will be a masterstroke in dealing with the pakistan.
My worry is that pakistan and russia may move closer owing to efforts by china.The approval and support of Russians is an absolute necessity for our plans in central asia.
There seems to be a sudden eye opening, an awakening among some intellectuals in west, about Pakistan.
Sadly it only re-affirms that the decades long American policy on Pakistan and WoT has been the most ridiculous and dumb.
What these authors are spouting profusely these days via bee lined books one after the other, is something that virtually all Indians were shouting from roof tops since 1970s.
It infuriates me beyond limits that the west which always likes to interfere and police around, never lets Indian advice on its ears and then one day restoring to senses, "You know what, actually it is like this ...."
Yeah what a timing bright boy !!
But then I repose to a fact that invalidates my furore. Why are we getting angry when self deluded Americans failed to see light about Pakistan for horrendously long time. It is because we've looked at them to fix what was an issue of our own resolve.
Had we been taking care of our problems on our own, we won't be fuming with the Paki terror, with the Iraqi kidnappings.
Have we finally woken up to the fact that Indians don't look beyond their house walls, whether for defense or cleanliness.
Where is the stress on macro defense. Where is the capability of special forces to protect Indians abroad.
Did we give it a thought when hordes of people were migrating to such unstable countries for some extra money?
Americans will be Americans, We have to change the meaning of being an Indian.
A few books is not going to change anything, people say a lot of things.
Here's what Senator Chuck Hagel, now US Defence Secretary said in 2011:
Pakistan in the last 3 years, has been every Hollywood movie in a negative role, while India is shown as a responsible world power. The public discourse in America is changing, Pakistan is seen as the third most unfavorable country after Iran and North Korea in USA. As time passes, and America becomes more independent after its withdrawal from Afghanistan, will have serious and imperious effect on Pakistan, China will and cannot fill that void. China has its own reservations with Pakistan, its policy of checking India with Pakistan, has failed as well as Pakistan is so confused and violent, it is spilling over into China.
Have Indians and Indian politician taken Indian security apparatus adivce seriously and with weight?
To find the answer one must read Jaswant Singh's book - India at Risk.
I know the answer myself. It also shows India's political correctness and naivety creating a discourse in India which is patently incorrect with ground reality and practicality
Pakistan's strategic location is such that world powers USA and China and now Russia will never fully abandon her. We all know how US media works, during the WW II it was Germany and Japan inly to be replaced by Russia during the cold war and now its the muslims. Does it matter what hollywood, a commercial industry does? No, she can only demonise countries like Russia, China, Iran and Pakistan but she will never dictate Washington or Pentagon to rewrite foreign policy.
Pakistan's importance is very versatile and totally independant of India.
China and Russia and SCO will see greater partnership with Pakistan and USA will be the one trying to patch up and make up for her policy blunders with Pakistan.
I am sure all Indians know the answer.
But where Jaswant Singh scores over us, at least, me, is his chronologically enunciating the same and with letters, incidents and treaties including confidential ones just released, giving a better insight to issues.
someone here dreaming that russia will help pakistan! Russia is just making dollars and mi35 can't be used in war as multirole chopper have huge rcs.
does pakistan have oil mines? Does pakistan have stable economy? Pakistan have nothing except those jihadis and terrorists. China too is just friend of pakistan cause of india. And china doesn't did anything good to pakistan either. Its just selling cheap fighters. There is long way for a collaboration between pakistan and russia. And nor the potential heavy weight fighters can be purchased by pakistan defence.
wonder some people are too optimistic
You seem to have posted this in wrong thread (musings thread is suitable for this). Either that or your sense of humour is to be appreciated.
Food for thought so that you can research some stuff based on below points :
a) Net exports to Pakistan from India
b) Net exports of Pakistan to India (please exclude terrorism)
c) Influence of Bollywood movies over Pakistan v/s Influence of Lollywood movies over Pakistan by revenue share at box office
d) Number of Pakistan entertainers coming to India for earning v/s number of Indian entertainers going to Pakistan for earning
What made you think that Pakistan can go to any extent to bleed us and India will sit ideal and not invest in tabs to monitor Pakistan via Afghanistan and would't use appropriate opportunities to benefit its security concerns.
BTW your argument is a subtle trolling, where you are trying to level scores with Americans writing books extensively on Pakistan's complicity having your own people endorsing them, with some rag tag American official talking about alleged/hearsay role of India against Pakistan via Afghanistan.
You are must be a utter idiot, if you still think the world still works in Cold War geopolitical realities. How idiotic, I cant even start.
Pakistan is becoming to the world, what India always claimed Pakistan was. Forget the US media, the world media all over calls you that, including chinese.
Pakistan's importance is much as a old whore in brothel, zero!
As always Pakistan is looking for somebody else to latch on to. China wont touch the current day Pakistan with a 10ft long barge pole, Unless Pakistan changes who it is, that is become a second rate India, nobody will want to touch a vile creature as Pak-satan.
The whole world must be undervaluing versatility and strategic importance of Pakistan and it's citizens. Or must be a RAW/CIA conspiracy.
Pakistani passport remains among worst to travel with: Visa Restriction Index
Published: May 4, 2014
The report, prepared by the Henley & Partners, ranked Pakistan at 91st along with Somalia, followed by only Iraq and Afghanistan at 92 and 93 respectively.
The index ranks countries according to the travel freedom their citizens benefit from.
Pakistanis enjoy visa-free access to only 32 destinations out of total 218 countries.
According to the survey, United Kingdom, Sweden and Finland top the index as their passport holders enjoy hassle free travel to 173 countries. While the report ranks United States at second position along with Denmark, Germany and Luxembourg with visa free access to 172 destinations.
India is ranked at 74 with easy access to 52 countries, while the index ranked Bangladesh at 85 with visa free access to 41 destinations.
Earlier in April, Kuwait excluded Pakistan along with five other countries from its new visa regime, under which Kuwaiti embassies and consulates were given full authority to issue the visas based on procedures stipulated by the law and its regulations.
In 2011, Kuwait had barred nationals of six countries, namely Pakistan, Iran, Syria, Yemen, Iraq, and Afghanistan from entering the country.
The ban, which was imposed in 2011, on nationals of these six countries was attributed to the â€œdifficult security conditions in the six countriesâ€ and to â€œthe remarkably increasing tendency of Kuwait-based nationals from these countries to apply for visas to bring into Kuwait relatives who faced or could face serious challenges in their home countries.â€
If someone in deep identity crisis, takes pride in being a hired gun, you can't help them.
But the way west always missed their target by such a length is hilarious.
Sad they'll be packing their bags soon.
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