The Web of USA to encircle India and create a Ring of Nations aganist Russia.

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  1. adyonfire4

    adyonfire4 Regular Member

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    :confused:U people must know that this is the basic problem the USA wants to use India for earning money and playing politics and India is trying to build a healthy relationship with them by buying there defense products and ignoring the Russians it is a kind of a thing that the West especially USA for years has been trying since the independence of India.
    The Major Objective of this Ring of Nations is to create rift between the the 2 Old Friends India-Russia and disrupt there Economic and Millitary Ties.Morever a major problem is that the whole world is now turning towards the USA I mean every Major Country may it be the Whole European Union,Australia,Isarel,Japan etc and what not And the same is happening with India although they are not drifting at a rapid pace but surely they are I do not understand :mad2: this Policy.
    Consider if you had a Nuclear War in the year 2015 or Beyond with Pakistan Do you Really Think the USA Administration would help us?No Never Instead they would put Political Pressure and their own Millitary Might to Stop the War in Favour of Pakistan and all the Money Invested by us in the War would go in vain What's more is that they might Impose Sanctions on us which would effect our Millitary Prepration In Case of Conflict with China.
    It Must not be forgetten that after Pokhran Nuclear Tests we suffered Sanctions for a long time For No Good Reason,Also in the year 2003 when we had begun Manufacturing of Prithvi Missile We were again Warned Not to do so But We Still Continued,Before the the First Flight of Tejas (LCA) We were Suggested by USA Administration not to do so,Cryo -Genic Technology Denial in the 1990's effected us badly and they Forced The Russians to stop its Transfer Of Technology and their are Many More Such Examples You Cannot Deny it Because All is as clear as a Crystal.
    :namaste:Please give your Views,Suggestions, on this Topic.
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  3. Virendra

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    Decisions of arms and other defence techonology deals are not made with emotional pretext of friendship or enmity. India has had an extremely consistent relation with Russia and it continues even today.
    Not popularly perceived but the relations are actually multi faceted as well, not just defense transactional. We've always done our bit and held our side even when Russian interest in India dropped after dismantling of USSR, even when Russian planes kept falling from the sky sometimes along with our precious pilots, even when the Russians shot up the previously agreed budgets for a couple of important deals time and again, even when we got frustrated with the below par after sales service and maintainence - having to look up everywhere in the world for spare parts.
    If our relations were purely transactional or we were not committed enough - the bonding would've withered away already. After all its not just today that the US has approached us aggressively to sell its defense products.
    I'm not worried about from whom we buy more. Whoever provides the best product with best service and feasible budget - gets the deal. Simple as that, no hue and cry. What I'm worried about is why our focus is always on what to buy from whom to buy; why don't we think/do enough on what to make and how to make by ourselves?
    I'm sure we won't tilt to US in a day or two. And that we won't tilt unless there are too many reasons to do so. We've had our balance till now and will continue doing so, but it also depends on the performance of Russia and US as providers in the defense deals.

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    Virendra
     
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  4. AOE

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    This isn't entirely accurate. Many deals have also fallen through with the Russians, and Russia is also developing stronger relations with NATO too. Most major countries are now turning towards the US because the main goal is to encircle and contain China. India is now the largest weapons buyer in the world, largely from the west. There are also talks of a missile defense shield for India, and the trilateral alliance between India-Japan-US; they all point towards the same thing.
     
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    This article is alarmist, Russia is cooperating with USA in the European missile shield, if Russia felt threatened this would not be the case.
     
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    The PLA couldn't be located in the PoK in the Gilgit-Baltistan region without Americans knowing it, and after them confirming the presence of PLA the larger plor is the Americans have allowed the pakistanis to bring in the PLA in the Kashmir region so as to occupy Indian forces there, and on the other side the US can play a mediator doing balancing act between India and Pakistan and allowing Chinese to get a share of the pie in regional issues.

    Remember Obama announced China should play role of big brother in Asia, this is all part of it. The Americans and the Chinese are extracting the best out of the pakistanis before they actually fall.
     
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    When China attacked India in 1962, then USSR declared that India is friend, but China is brother. Only nation India can bank upon is herself, neither USA nor Russia are 100% reliable, we need to make decisions on the basis of our own interests and security perceptions. Russia is not a saint, Russia gets paid in full for selling weapons, we know how Russia tried to exploit India by unilaterally inflating the bills. USA is more open, USA never hides the fact that it only cares about it's own interest, and any cooperation is based on mutual interest only. Neither USA nor Russia will fight our war.
     
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    Then Why was the GE414 Engine was selected Over EJ200 Inspite of being 12-15% Costlier And still their is no conformation on when the TOT Agreements would be Signed?
     
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    West Selling the China Millitary Arms Would Not Help Contain China Would It?
     
  10. AOE

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    I would take that with a grain of salt. Weapons selling is practiced by every country and sold to the highest bidder, regardless of who they are. Simply put; it's just a business. If you don't accept the argument, then why is it India is receiving the most from the west? Why is there talks of a trilateral building of relations between the US, Japan, and India? The last one is a clear indicator of good will.
     
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    US and Japan have been quietly preparing Japan with Nuclear weapons.

    The current disaster in Japan exposes this secret. The reason why Japan, a comparative small countries has over 50 nuclear power plants and use such fuels 2 to 3 times more costly than other similar plants, is because the by product of such fuel becomes weapon grade material for nuclear bombs.

    Japan pile up a lot of such material and in case of needs, with Japan's technology, could quickly and easily turn them into weapon. The target in mind must be Russia and China.

    Now USA wants to push India into it.
     
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    Its largely for China, as the Japanese feel that is their current threat. Russia is not seen as a major problem by the government there.
     
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    That is a very strange world. Not too long ago, Japan was the bad guy. She started the Pacific war, killing lots of whites, Chinese, Australians etc. Now Japan is the good guy and everyone trying to help her fighting China the country that Japan had invaded and killed millions of innocent people. Now Japan is under the whites' control, the only remaining East Asian that had making the whites headache is China and Korea. And China must be contained or else the whites won't sleep peacefully at night.
     
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    Thank you for that insightful and indepth historical analysis, Louis Farrakhan. The Japan of today is not the same as the imperial fascist Japan of the 1930s and 1940s. A lot has changed in the last 65 years, including the introduction of democracy, human rights, capitalism, individual freedoms, and Japan today is a shining example of a prospering and free country. The communists in the PRC who have been in power since 1949 have killed over 70 million people, as they do not value human rights, individualism, or freedom of speech. If by 'whites' you mean South Koreans, Japanese, Taiwanese, most countries in ASEAN, etc... then yeah you are right then, we instead should be saving the poor genocidal tyrants of China from the evil freedom loving East Asians.
     
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    I Would put it this way that The Money that Western Nations Earn on selling Arms to the Chinese Spend More To Develop Their Own Millitary So thats not earning money but only wasting money.
    By the way China should not be Thing to worry for the World I mean what they are?They are just a millitary nation that depends on Reverse-Engineering to develop their Defense Power.
     

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