The triple talaq debate

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  1. Zebra

    Zebra Senior Member Senior Member

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    http://www.huffingtonpost.in/2016/05/31/talaq-talaq-talaq_n_10233354.html

    A Nationwide Campaign Is Underway To End 'Talaq Talaq Talaq'


    HuffPost Staff
    Posted: 01/06/2016

    NEW DELHI
    -- A campaign to end the "unQuranic practice" of Triple Talaq is underway in several parts of the country, with over 50,000 Muslim men and women signing a petition to ban this custom of unilateral and instantaneous divorce.

    The petition, initiated by the Bharatiya Muslim Mahila Andolan, seeks the intervention of the National Commission for Women to end Triple Talaq.

    A study conducted by the BMMA, last year, reveals that more than 92 percent of surveyed Muslim women support ending the practice of Triple Talaq, and over 91 percent of them are against polygamy.

    The figure of 50,000 signatures will rise since the national campaign is continuing in several states including Gujarat, Maharashtra, Rajasthan, Madhya Pradesh, Karnataka, Tamil Nadu, Telangana, Odisha, West Bengal, Bihar, Jharkhand, Kerala and Uttar Pradesh.

    "So far, 50,000 signatures have been collected where women and men have endorsed abolition of Triple Talaq, many more signatures will be collected in the coming days," Zakia Soman, co-founder of BMMA, told The Times of India.

    "We have written to NCW chairperson Dr Lalitha Kumaramangalam to enlist its support to this long-pending demand of Muslim women,'' she said.

    Women's rights activists said that Triple Talaq is on the rise, and men are using Facebook and mobile phone texts to divorce women.

    Earlier this year, Shayara Bano, a 35-year-old woman from Allahabad, moved the Supreme Court to ban Triple Talaq.

    Last year, the Supreme Court also said that personal laws of different religions, which govern matters like marriage, divorce, alimony and property, were creating too many problems, and probed the Modi government about introducing a Uniform Civil Code in India.

    In their ruling on October 16, Justices Anil R. Dave and Adarsh Kumar Goel asked that a Public Interest Litigation be registered to examine whether "discrimination" suffered by women under Islamic laws violates fundamental rights under Articles 14, 15 and 21 of the Indian Constitution and international conventions.
     
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  3. Zebra

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    Is this a genuine demand or kahin pe nigahen kahin pe nishana ............!

    OR

    I am wrong............?
     
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    pmaitra Moderator Moderator

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    Triple talaq and polygamy should be declared unconstitutional. The former should carry heavy fine, while the latter should carry long prison term.
     
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    Razor CIDs from Tamilnadu Senior Member

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    Triple talaq sounds funny/ridiculous.

    Why should polygamy be considered illegal. It was acceptable in "hinduism" too.
    Note: I am not advocating for polygamy, just want to hear your pov.
     
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    HariPrasad-1 Senior Member Senior Member

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    How can there be such uncivilized laws of 4 wives and triple tallaq? These laws are made to please uncivilized mullahs. They must go. Mullahs must be told clearly that if you need any sharia law, migrate where they are applicable. There is absolutely no place of such Draconian law In a modern democracy like India.
     
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    It is not compatible in today's times. A lot of things were acceptable in the past, but that does not mean it has to be practiced today.

    Moreover, not everyone has to act like Kashyapa. :biggrin2:
     
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    Razor CIDs from Tamilnadu Senior Member

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    That would be subjective reasoning, right?

    One objective reason would be the shortage of women. But one would also have to factor in the income disparity among men while assessing that issue.

    So is this part of the western project of feminization, of trying to make equal that which is not?
    Is outlawing polygamy an essential to proper functioning of family units?
     
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    pmaitra Moderator Moderator

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    I was going to mention shortage of women.

    Feminization? I don't think so.

    Equal can mean two things. Equal genders as in exactly the same, or each gender is equally important as either one that is different from the other but can balance out the deficiencies of the other.


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    Razor CIDs from Tamilnadu Senior Member

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    Fair enough.

    Anyway, I think this will be a discussion for some other time.
     
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    pmaitra Moderator Moderator

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    Yeah, even I have to go to bed.

    P.S.: Check out the American Concorde thread.
     
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    Triple talaq is better than murdering wife, Muslim Personal Law Board tells Supreme Court
    Last Updated: Friday, September 2, 2016 - 16:06

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    New Delhi: The All India Muslim Personal Law Board (AIMPLB) on Friday told the Supreme Court that "personal laws cannot be re-written in the name of social reforms”.

    Submitting its response in connection with the ongoing matter on the `triple talaq` issue, the AIMPLB said, "Personal laws cannot be challenged as violative of Part III of the Constitution."

    "When serious discords develop in a marriage and husband wants to get rid of the wife, legal compulsions and time-consuming judicial process....in extreme cases husband may resort to illegal criminal ways of getting rid of her by murdering her. In such situations `triple talaq` is a better recourse," AIMPLB told the apex court.

    "Marriage is a contract in which both parties are not physically equal. A male is stronger and female is a weaker sex. Securing separation through court takes a long time deters prospects of remarriage," it added.



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    Supreme Court admits plea to declare triple talaq illegal; issues notice to Centre

    The AIMPLB further said that polygamy as a social practice is not for gratifying men`s lust, but it is a social need.

    The Uniform Civil code is a directive principle and not enforceable. The personal laws are protected by Article 25, 26 and 29 of the Constitution as they are acts done in pursuance of a religion," it added.

    The apex court had last week issued a notice to the Central Government on the plea of a Muslim woman challenging the constitutional validity of `triple talaq` to end a marriage.

    The petitioner Ishrat Jahan has sought a declaration from the apex court, saying that Section 2 of the Muslim Personal Law (Shariat) Application Act, 1937, was unconstitutional as it violated fundamental rights guaranteed under Articles 14 (equality), 15 (non-discrimination), 21 (life) and 25 (religion) of the Constitution.

    In her petition, Jahan has asked whether an arbitrary and unilateral divorce through triple talaq can deprive the wife of her rights in her matrimonial home as also her right to have the custody of her children.

    A batch of petitions is being heard by a bench headed by Chief Justice TS Thakur and notices have already been issued to the All India Muslim Personal Law Board and others.

    However, this is not the first such type of petition that has been presented before the Supreme Court as Uttarakhand-based Shayara Banu and the Rashtrawadi Muslim Mahila Sangh through its president Farah Faiz have raised similar queries.

    On July 29, the apex court had favoured a wider debate on the petitions challenging the validity of triple talaq.

    All India Muslim Women Personal Law Board (AIMWPLB) president Shaista Ambar has demanded to abolish the triple talaq system.

    Talaq-e-bidat is a Muslim man divorcing his wife by pronouncing the word "talaq" more than once in a single tuhr (the period between two menstruations) or in a tuhr after coitus or pronouncing an irrevocable instantaneous divorce at one go (unilateral triple-talaq).

    The Centre has set up a high-level committee to review the status of women in India and according to reports has recommended a ban on the practice of oral, unilateral and triple talaq (divorce) and polygamy.

    http://zeenews.india.com/news/india...al-law-board-tells-supreme-court_1925103.html
     
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    Even islamic terrorist sanctuary pakistan has abolished triple talaq
     
  17. Bornubus

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    @airtel thanks for the tag.


    Why don't we impose their own Sharia Law (Criminal law) patented by Arabia on Hindustani Muslaman ?

    They are crying for their Civil Law they, should have their Criminal Law as well. Muslaman thief should get his hands chopped, Musalman women should produce 4 witnesses.

    Alternatively, govt should enforce UCC.
     
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    totally stupid religion.....................................................................
     
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    A chauhan "अहिंसा परमो धर्मः धर्म हिंसा तथैव च: l" Senior Member

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    Hypocrisy exposed big time by their own mouth ! Their plea is an admission that their personal law is a medieval and barbarian concept.
     
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    why not ,

    wont the wife wanna get rid of the such bastard at first place ,

    so could not wait to fcuk next one and then throw her away with another talaq ,

    better prospect for muslims would be join isis and get 72 virgins ,

    whats the social need ,

    which society needs such practices and why ,

    would they give their own daughters for this need of social practice .
     
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    OneGrimPilgrim Senior Member Senior Member

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    @salute, its a social need for demograhic domination; increases production of nanhe mujahds.
    they'd happily give their daughters for this social need to fellow faithfuls of the green-'peace' variety, more so if they happen to be arab sheikhs.
     
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