The Syrian Crisis

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12% shia makes Assad a popular deserving ruler? or 88% sunni makes protestors a group of wahabi terrorists? Neither is convincing. Which side represents the general public of Syria better? It could be the way fractured verdicts are announced in a non-democratic country.
By the way, his sunni army is gradually deserting him.


Don't know about India, but he sure does and will favor China-Iran-Russia trio (if he survived). These three have been appearing on the same side of the line at many issues lately.
While the western media has been feeding us their side of the story very well, we haven't heard the Syrian regime regularly. They could do better in foreign relation and their diplomatic PR around the world if they don't want to look like monsters.
India had a soft corner for this regime for reasons you know very well but unabated violence between state and its people is an increasingly difficult situation to ignore. There a civilian casualties and we cannot call them all wahabi terrorists.
Just like the stone pelters of last year in Kashmir were citizenry, stage managed by goons and separatists; this case also could be a remote controlled one.
But Assad's hard handed dealing is only demonizing the state further. He will further loose more support internationally, which was already scarce.

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Im saying that id prefer assad to the wahabis who will get power if he leaves. Ideally democracy is the way forward but we dont live in an ideal world.

they cant do any PR because the west are masters when it comes to PR on an international basis. But ive seen a few videos where these rebels were beheading syrian army people and chanting allah akbar. You want these kind to get power ?

Yes assad has come down hard on dissenters but the people critizing him are the same people who demand same thing in kashmir...so i was only pointing out the hypocracy there.
 

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Sir,
In Syria no one can raise voice against the gov.people afraid even to whisper, many disappeared in Syria becoz of secret agents working for the gov.
and how does that bother you ?

i only think about India and what is in its interest...we aren't proactive in syria so there public is not against India but wahabis in power is not in our interest.
 

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@ Messiah You must be smoking something really nice

According to you

Shia Iran is our friend and Wahabi Saudi Arabia supports Pakistan

So that makes ALL wahabis as our enemies and all Shias as our friends

BUt the fact is that Iran is our friend because Pakistan offers NOTHING in economic terms to them

AND Saudi supports Pakistan ONLY because of Pakistani Nukes which Saudi hopes to lay its hands on
if Shia Iran acquires Nukes or otherwise

IF Pakistan DID not have nukes then Saudis would nt even look at them
 

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@ Messiah You must be smoking something really nice

According to you

Shia Iran is our friend and Wahabi Saudi Arabia supports Pakistan

So that makes ALL wahabis as our enemies and all Shias as our friends

BUt the fact is that Iran is our friend because Pakistan offers NOTHING in economic terms to them

AND Saudi supports Pakistan ONLY because of Pakistani Nukes which Saudi hopes to lay its hands on
if Shia Iran acquires Nukes or otherwise

IF Pakistan DID not have nukes then Saudis would nt even look at them
im not bringing in shia and sunni because they are blanket terms and there is diversity in both of them but wahabis will always be against India. end off

pakis got nukes only through saudi funding and chini so saudi gave pakis money before they had nukes.
 

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Iran Saudi rivalry started with Iran Iraq war of the 80 s

Saudi had hoped that that Saddam who was A Sunni would defeat Shia Iran

But that did nt happen

And ever SInce Iran defeated Iraq- Saudi aggression ; Saudi fears retribution from Iran

That is why Saudi supported Pakistani Nuclear program
 

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Iran Saudi rivalry started with Iran Iraq war of the 80 s

Saudi had hoped that that Saddam who was A Sunni would defeat Shia Iran

But that did nt happen

And ever SInce Iran defeated Iraq- Saudi aggression ; Saudi fears retribution from Iran

That is why Saudi supported Pakistani Nuclear program
it is much older than 80's war.

i prefer assad to some wahabi...you are free to disagree.
 

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i prefer assad to some wahabi...you are free to disagree.
And I prefer democracy to one family one party one community rule ie Assad family , Baath Party
and Alawite community

PLUS Assad is the BIGGEST roadblock to Israel palestinian talks and is the biggest supporter of Hamas
 

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if syria rules assad or some one else i think it doesn't matters india.in humanitarian view assad should down.
 

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A strong Iran ( may be not a nuclear one) favors American interest to get leverage in sunny dominated oil producing states.
 

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Why Beijing Votes With Moscow

In many ways, China's decision to join Russia in vetoing the Syria resolution in the United Nations Security Council seems an aberration. The veto not only derailed the latest attempt to pressure the Assad regime to end its bloody crackdown, but also damaged China's relations with both the West and the Arab League, which sponsored the resolution.

In fact, the most important factor in China's decision had little to do with Beijing-Damascus ties, and everything to do with its diplomatic cooperation with Moscow.

Since it returned to the United Nations in 1971, China has been sparing in its use of the veto in the Security Council. It often chose to abstain in votes it did not support. Whenever it did use its veto — it has done so eight times — the issues were usually of importance to Chinese national interests.

In August 1972, for example, China blocked Bangladesh from gaining admission to the United Nations in support of Pakistan, from which Bangladesh had just gained independence, and which was Beijing's ally. In January 2007, China, together with Russia, vetoed a measure imposing sanctions on Burma, a Chinese client state at the time. Then in July 2008, China joined Russia in killing a resolution punishing the Mugabe regime in Zimbabwe, another of Beijing's allies.

Syria, however, seems a strange case for China to expend its valuable veto on. China has scant strategic or economic interests in the country. Yet of the eight vetoes China has cast in the Security Council, two have now involved Syria. The first one was in October 2011, when China joined Russia in blocking a Europe-backed sanctions resolution.

In the eyes of the pragmatic Chinese, the Assad regime is not worth a veto. But the Russians, motivated by their economic and security interests in Syria, opposed the resolution, and China apparently decided it was better not to jeopardize relations with the Russians and risk losing Russian support when Beijing might need it in the future.

The Russia-China axis of obstruction at the Security Council has now become a critical variable in the council's decision-making process. The two countries seem to have reached a strategic understanding: they will act to defy the West together, so that neither might look isolated. China will defer to Russia on matters more critical to Moscow (such as Syria) while Russia will do the same on issues China cares about (such as Zimbabwe or Burma).

So in order to get resolutions passed, the West usually has to persuade one of the duo (most of the time Russia) to drop its objections, typically by softening proposed sanctions. Russia is generally more confrontational than China, which prefers to let the former do most of the heavy lifting in frustrating the United States and Europe at the council. That is why on Iran-related matters, the West has consistently focused on winning over Russia.

Another factor that apparently tipped the scale in Beijing in favor of using the veto is the Chinese Communist Party's ideological hostility to democratic transitions.

Ever since the Arab Spring brought down long-ruling dictatorships in the Middle East, the party's propaganda machine has spared no effort in portraying the events in the region in the most negative light. Fearing a similar upheaval in China, the party has tightened its censorship and intensified persecution of dissidents. The overthrow of the Assad regime, especially should it happen as a result of Security Council action, would inspire the pro-democracy opposition — in Beijing and in Moscow.

Chinese leaders understand that their veto damages ties with the West. But they appear to believe they would not have gained much had they abstained or voted yes. A prominent Chinese foreign-policy specialist, Yan Xuetong at Tsinghua University, wrote on his blog that China, which has a bad image in the West because of its poor human rights record, would not have received any credit or better press had it cooperated with the West on Syria.

That may be true. But Chinese leaders will not find their veto cost-free. Their extensive efforts to burnish their image in the West, now consisting of lavish public relations campaigns and English-language news networks, is bound to be undercut by such actions.

And should a "Russian Spring" succeed in removing Vladimir Putin at some point, Beijing could find itself the lone autocratic great power in the Security Council.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/08/opinion/why-beijing-votes-with-moscow.html?ref=china
In fact, the most important factor in China's decision had little to do with Beijing-Damascus ties, and everything to do with its diplomatic cooperation with Moscow.

It is all about Chinese wanting Russia to ease out in East Russia and allow China some leeway to establish contacts, and do some trade and exploration!

It is better to have a good relationship with a neighbour stronger than one and who can be useful in a bigger battle than bother about inconsequential nation like Syria!

Therefore, this angle would also play and important role in the peace effort in the strife stricken areas called Syria!
 

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Iran's Achilles' Heel

THE public debate in America and Israel these days is focused obsessively on whether to attack Iran in order to halt its nuclear weapons ambitions; hardly any attention is being paid to how events in Syria could result in a strategic debacle for the Iranian government. Iran's foothold in Syria enables the mullahs in Tehran to pursue their reckless and violent regional policies — and its presence there must be ended.

Ensuring that Iran is evicted from its regional hub in Damascus would cut off Iran's access to its proxies (Hezbollah in Lebanon and Hamas in Gaza) and visibly dent its domestic and international prestige, possibly forcing a hemorrhaging regime in Tehran to suspend its nuclear policies. This would be a safer and more rewarding option than the military one.

As President Bashar al-Assad's government falters, Syria is becoming Iran's Achilles' heel. Iran has poured a vast array of resources into the country. There are Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps encampments and Iranian weapons and advisers throughout Syria. And Iranian-controlled Hezbollah forces from Lebanon have joined in butchering the Syrians who have risen up against Mr. Assad. Iran is intent on assuring its hold over the country regardless of what happens to Mr. Assad — and Israel and the West must prevent this at all costs.

Sadly, the opportunities presented by Syria's meltdown seem to be eluding Israeli leaders. Last week, Israel's military intelligence chief spoke of the 200,000 missiles and rockets in Gaza, Lebanon and Syria that could reach all of Israel's population centers. And there is a growing risk that advanced Syrian weapons might fall into the hands of terrorist groups. Iran's presence in Damascus is vital to maintaining these threats.

At this stage, there is no turning back; Mr. Assad must step down. For Israel, the crucial question is not whether he falls but whether the Iranian presence in Syria will outlive his government. Getting Iran booted out of Syria is essential for Israel's security. And if Mr. Assad goes, Iranian hegemony over Syria must go with him. Anything less would rob Mr. Assad's departure of any significance.

But Israel should not be the lone or even the principal actor in speeding his exit. Any workable outcome in Syria will have to involve the United States, Russia and Arab countries. America must offer Russia incentives to stop protecting the Assad regime, which will likely fall the moment Moscow withdraws its support. A force with a mandate from the Arab League should then ensure stability until a new Syrian government can take over.

The current standoff in Syria presents a rare chance to rid the world of the Iranian menace to international security and well-being. And ending Iran's presence there poses less of a risk to international commerce and security than harsher sanctions or war.

Russia and China, both of which vetoed a United Nations resolution last week calling on Mr. Assad to step down, should realize that his downfall could serve their interests, too. After all, Iranian interventionism could wreak havoc in Muslim-majority areas to Russia's south and China's west. And a nuclear-armed Iran would pose a serious potential threat on Russia's southern border.

Russia's interests in Syria are not synonymous with Iran's, and Moscow can now prove this by withdrawing its unwavering support for Mr. Assad. Russia simply wishes to maintain its access to Syria's Mediterranean ports in Tartus and Latakia and to remain a major arms supplier to Damascus. If Washington is willing to allow that, and not to sideline Russia as it did before intervening in Libya, the convergence of American and Russian interests in Iran and Syria could pave the way for Mr. Assad's downfall.

Once this is achieved, the entire balance of forces in the region would undergo a sea change. Iranian-sponsored terrorism would be visibly contained; Hezbollah would lose its vital Syrian conduit to Iran and Lebanon could revert to long-forgotten normalcy; Hamas fighters in Gaza would have to contemplate a future without Iranian weaponry and training; and the Iranian people might once again rise up against the regime that has brought them such pain and suffering.

Those who see this scenario as a daydream should consider the alternative: a post-Assad government still wedded to Iran with its fingers on the buttons controlling long-range Syrian missiles with chemical warheads that can strike anywhere in Israel. This is a certain prescription for war, and Israel would have no choice but to prevent it.

Fortunately, Mr. Assad and his allies have unwittingly created an opportunity to defuse the Iranian threat. If the international community does not seize it and Iranian influence in Syria emerges intact, the world will face a choice between a military strike and even more crippling sanctions, which could cause oil prices to skyrocket and throw the world economy off balance. The United States and Russia should wish for neither.

Syria has created a third option. We do not have the luxury of ignoring it.

Efraim Halevy, a former Israeli national security adviser and ambassador, was director of the Mossad from 1998 to 2002.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/08/opinion/to-weaken-iran-start-with-syria.html?ref=china
Thinks this over.

The aim is a strategic debacle for Iran!

If Syria and Assad falls, then the Iran's influence in Syria and the contiguity of Syria and the Hizbs of Lebanon (where they are still a force to reckon with) would be weakened immensely. Likewise, the same would be the effect in Gaza where Iran is playing a role.

In short, it would give Israel some breathing space.

A good move by Israel and the US.
 

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Report: Syrian general gunned down in Damascus - CNN.com

The biggest and most important battle for the Syrians right now is for the hearts and minds of the World (World opinion). And World opinion is fickle and short sighted. Right now opinion is firmly against Assad. I just hope the Syrian revolutionaries don't get too drunk in hate that they end up being more ruthless and contemptible than Assad's forces. Assassinations or car bombs with potential for civilian carnage is not the right way to go I must say... When World opinion turns against the Syrian revolution then it'll become harder for the West to justify an intervention.

That said I must still say that Syrian blood are in the hands of the Chinese and Russians. They could have sent a very strong message to Assad if they only joined in the last UNSC draft, and no doubt it would have deterred Assad and bring some sense to his mind (even if only limited). The violence on the streets is being orchestrated still by the Assad forces while these revolutionaries are merely retaliating with the limited means available to them...
 

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The Syrian unrest is now slipping over to Lebanon.

Israeli plan to clear the area of Iranian and Shia influence is working!

The Harrari family will be delighted.
 

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Supporters of al Assad span from Alawi to minorities Christians, Druzes, Kurds (or they virtually choose a 'lesser evil') . As some commentators suggest the regime intensifies attacks on the rebels is to make full use of the 'borrowed' time thanks to Russia+China veto. And in March it'll get much relieved when Iraq (Shia) takes over the rotating chair of Arab League.

That said I must still say that Syrian blood are in the hands of the Chinese and Russians. They could have sent a very strong message to Assad if they only joined in the last UNSC draft, and
The world shall have got used to China using more and more vetoes, instead of abstentions to safeguard her own interest. Mind u how many vetoes the US has used for Israel alone?? Simply put all powers on the same par while sparing pious rhetorics ...

The Russia-China axis of obstruction at the Security Council has now become a critical variable in the council's decision-making process. The two countries seem to have reached a strategic understanding: they will act to defy the West together, so that neither might look isolated.
Especially in face of the US's focus shifting to Asia Pacific such a synergy gets imperative. Russia defends bomber flights near Japan and Chinese naval drill legitimate|World|chinadaily.com.cn
 

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The world shall have got used to China using more and more vetoes, instead of abstentions to safeguard her own interest. Mind u how many vetoes the US has used for Israel alone?? Simply put all powers on the same par while sparing pious rhetorics ...
US' sins for Israel should not be an excuse for China to allow Assad to butcher his countrymen.
 

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The hounds of war are howling...


THREE MILITARY OPTIONS IN SYRIA
Editor's Note: Michael O'Hanlon was in Afghanistan earlier this month and is the author of the new ebook, The Wounded Giant: America's Armed Forces in an Age of Austerity. You can read more from him on the Global Public Square.
By Michael O'Hanlon – Special to CNN


As the violence worsens in Syria, the United States and international community are in a dilemma. Even more serious than the recent veto by Russia and China of a U.N. Security Council resolution criticizing the regime of Bashar al-Assad, there are no great options for how to respond.

The various Syrian factions and populations are far too interspersed for a Libya-like operation to work. Al-Assad and his army are far too strong, still, for a simple and small peacekeeping mission to succeed. It would be opposed by the regime if it tried to enter the country. And if we invaded, the specter of an Iraq-style imbroglio would loom given Syria's size and given the multitude of nefarious actors there.

That leaves three main types of possible military options. All are limited in scale and scope; therefore, all promise only mediocre results. I do not favor any just yet, and we should only consider them in the event of strong Arab League and NATO support and participation. But if the situation continues to worsen, we cannot look idly by, either.

1) A punitive naval or air operation to encourage a coup against al-Assad.

The idea here would be to hope that al-Assad's cronies could be persuaded to depose him and then forge a power-sharing deal with the opposition as a precondition for ending sanctions and the associated punitive military campaign. The two most viable options would be a naval blockade to prevent Syria from exporting oil or importing a number of goods, and a limited air campaign to deprive the regime of assets that it values (like palaces).

2) A broader Balkans-like campaign.

Building on the above air war concept, and also on Fouad Ajami's February 10 Wall Street Journal oped about the "Kosovo model" for Syria, air strikes could be broadened to include targeting the heavy Syrian army weapons being used to shell cities. This could be combined with the creation of a no-fly zone for Syrian military helicopters and other aircraft. In addition to this, we could arm the Syrian opposition, though this could be expected to increase rather than decrease violence in the short term relative to what is occurring today.

3) Creation of a safe zone for Syrian civilians, using airpower and some modest number of outside ground troops, perhaps in the north near Turkey.

This would be modeled on the protection we afforded Kurds in Iraq throughout the 1990s even with Saddam Hussein still in power. Alas, it would be harder in Syria. There is no natural geographic or demographic logic to any particular possible safe zone in Syria.

Populations are too interspersed, and the killing is happening largely in central cities where it would be impractical to create such zones in all likelihood. Creating it in the northeast would be more practical, but less helpful for the threatened populations of the country. This kind of mission would therefore have only a limited ability to protect innocents. But depending on how the situation unfolded, it could perhaps be combined with the above options to create the nucleus of a stronger resistance that could ultimately challenge al-Assad's rule using the safe area as a staging base and sanctuary.

None of these ideas look decisive. All are risky. As such, they should only be considered if and when things get worse. But it may not be too early to raise the ideas in public - if for no other reason than to signal to the murderous Syrian regime that we do have options besides just hoping that al-Assad will fall of his own weight like a piece of rotten fruit. While I hope for the latter scenario, we are collectively far too sanguine about the likelihood that it will happen anytime soon on its own.

The views expressed in this article are solely those of Michael O'Hanlon.

O'Hanlon: Three military options in Syria – Global Public Square - CNN.com Blogs
 
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The planning must have begun in pentagon

Assad has shown his blood thirsty side

He will kill all his opponents even if the figure runs into a several million

The only way is targetted assasination of Assad family which will then lead to a coup

Military action is inevitable
 

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It all depends on how Russia and China will react.

Both are interested in reining in the US and leave it hamstrung.

At the same time, they are delighted to have the US tied in the Middle East so that the mouse can play while the cat is away elsewhere, where their interests lie and where the US is an impediment.
 
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Syria uprising: Al-Qaeda's al-Zawahiri lends support

Syria uprising: Al-Qaeda's al-Zawahiri lends support

Al-Qaeda's leader has backed the anti-government uprising in Syria, urging the opposition not to rely on the Arab League or the West for help.

In a video message, Ayman al-Zawahiri said the Syrian rebels had the right to use whatever means they saw fit to get rid of a "cancerous regime".

Egyptian-born Zawahiri, 62, took over as head of al-Qaeda after the death of Osama Bin Laden in May 2011.

The Syrian government blamed al-Qaeda for two blasts in Damascus in December.

That double suicide bombing killed 44 people.
'Muddy the waters'

Zawahiri, who has a $25m (£15m) US bounty on his head, addressed his video message to the "Lions of Syria".

He urged them to depend on their own efforts and sacrifices, and not on what he called the "failed states of the Arab League, the West, or Turkey".

"If we want freedom, we must be liberated from this regime. If we want justice, we must retaliate against this regime," he said in the video.

Arab League ministers are meeting in Cairo on Sunday to discuss the crisis in Syria, following the league's decision to suspend its observer mission in the country last month.

Zawahiri called on militants in Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon and Turkey, to rise up and support what he called "their brothers in Syria".

There have already been reports of Islamic militants crossing into Syria from Iraq.

It is the clearest sign yet of involvement by al-Qaeda in the uprising in Syria, as it takes on increasingly an aspect of armed insurgency as well as popular protest, says the BBC's Jim Muir, in neighbouring Lebanon.

US officials are reported to believe the recent suicide car bombings in Damascus and Aleppo were the work of al-Qaeda.

Opposition activists have blamed the Syrian government itself for the attacks.

If violent Islamic extremists are becoming increasingly involved, it is going to muddy the waters of an already very complex situation, our correspondent says.
BBC News - Syria uprising: Al-Qaeda's al-Zawahiri lends support

The Israels might be thinking Oh Shit! Assad is a better option
 

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AQ will surely help since it is a Sunni organisation.
 

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