The Syrian Crisis

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The Western and Chinese-Russian alliance are enjoying the division with in the Arab world. Both sides sell the hardware and take sides to destroy the infrastructure than agree to bring the peace which will create opportunity to rebuild the infrastructure.

The Middle East countries have to sit down with Iran to resolve the differences and bring peace without the help from above stated alliances. These countries cannot change their neighbours but a change in mindset to talk will prevent future conflicts. They should have quarterly meetings among themselves and develop the trade and cultural ties ans as well as accept and respect each others religious beliefs.
 

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http://enologi.puheenvuoro.uusisuom...hadistit-radikalisoivat-syyrian-sisallissodan

Jihadists from Russian Caucasus created ISIS as it is today: masterful geopolitical game of Putin.
Nonsense. Don't believe it.

There was no Jihadist in the Caucasus until Gorbachyov relaxed travel for Soviet citizens when the Saudis, an old ally of the US, started funding the spread of Wahhabi Islam in the Caucasus. Putin fought a bloody war against these Jihadists. ISIS came into existence after the US failed to oust Assad using their liver eating Syrian Wahhabis, called FSA. ISIS came into existence in Iraq.

FSA and ISIS have three things in common.
  1. Both are fighting against US' enemy, Assad.
  2. Neither have attacked or have been attacked by the US ally, Israel.
  3. Both are friendly with the al-Qaida.
Also, the ridiculousness of this article is bolstered by various western media sources who have acknowledged that the rise of ISIS might spread to the Caucasus and Russia sees a legitimate threat of Islamism spreading in Russia. The one and only thing that is correct in the article is that some members of the ISIS are from Russia's Caucasus.

I have also posted an article earlier about a Chechen, not from Russia, but from Georgia, who was trained by NATO, indoctrinated at a Saudi funded Wahhabi mosque, fought against Russia, and now joined ISIS.

Now, I am going to talk like @SajeevJino:
Jouni, you are a paid NATO troll. o_O

Now, I am going to go back to talking like @pmaitra:
Jouni, you are believing too much into your official pro-NATO Finnish government propaganda. :nono:
 
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New FSB Estimate: Over 5,000 ex-Soviet Nationals Fighting for ISIS
2,400 from Russia alone

(Interfax) | Russia Insider



MOSCOW, September 18 - (Interfax) - Up to 2,400 Russian citizens are currently fighting on the side of the Islamic State group (ISIL), the first deputy director of Russia's Federal Security Service (FSB), Sergei Smirnov, has said.

“The information available to us indicates that approximately 2,400 citizens of the Russian Federation are already taking part in the activities of this organization. It is quite a large number,” he said after a session of the Council of the Regional Anti-Terrorist Structure of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization in the Uzbek capital Tashkent on Sept.18.

As far as Central Asian countries are concerned, “some 3,000 citizens of these states are involved in the activities of this organization,” Smirnov said.
 

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http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/russia-announces-naval-drills-in-east-mediterranean/

Russia Announces Naval Drills in East Mediterranean
BY NEWS DESK ON SEPTEMBER 25, 2015

Russia’s defense ministry on Thursday said it will hold naval drills in the “east Mediterranean” in September and October.

The exercises include three warships from Russia’s Black Sea Fleet, including the Saratov landing ship, the Moskva guided missile cruiser and the Smetlivy destroyer, the ministry said in a statement.

The drills will involve “40 combat exercises, including rocket and artillery fire at sea and airborne targets,” the statement said.

The ministry said that the Mediterranean drills — which were restarted in early 2013 — had been planned since the end of last year and did not link them to the conflict in Syria.
http://www.almasdarnews.com/article...the-syrian-armys-advance-on-kuweires-airbase/

Russian Jets Strike ISIS in East Aleppo to Propel the Syrian Army’s Advance on Kuweires Airbase

BY LEITH FADEL ON SEPTEMBER 25, 2015FEATURED
For the first time since their arrival in Syria, the Russian Air Force launched a series of airstrikes above the Aleppo Governorate’s eastern countryside, targeting the Islamic State of Iraq and Al-Sham’s (ISIS) positions along the Deir Hafer-Aleppo Highway while the Syrian Arab Army (SAA) attacks the terrorist group on the ground.

On Thursday morning, the Syrian Arab Army – in coordination with the National Defense Forces (NDF) – conducted a powerful assault on ISIS’ positions at ‘Ayn Sabl, resulting in their capture of the southwestern perimeter of this town that is located to the east of Tal Rayman and Al-Salihiyah.

Assisting the Syrian Armed Forces from above was none other than the Russian Air Force, as they reportedly struck ISIS’ positions in east Aleppo with remarkable precision and relentless ferocity; these airstrikes also marked the first time that Russia physically participated in this four year long Syrian Conflict.

The Russian Air Force was also seen flying above the Rif Dimashq, Latakia and Hama Governorates, on Thursday morning, but all of their jets reportedly returned back to the Hmamiyat Military Airport in the Syrian coastal city of Jableh.

According to a senior officer in the Syrian Arab Army, these Russian airstrikes were coordinated with the Syrian Arab Air Force (SAAF), who launched their own raids along the Raqqa-Deir Ezzor Highway.
http://www.almasdarnews.com/article...otect-their-vital-supply-route-in-deir-ezzor/

ISIS Sends Massive Wave of Reinforcements to Protect their Vital Supply Route in Deir Ezzor
BY LEITH FADEL ON SEPTEMBER 26, 2015

On Tuesday, the Syrian Arab Army’s 137th Artillery Brigade of the 17th Reserve Division – in coordination with the 104th Airborne Brigade of the Republican Guard, the National Defense Forces (NDF), and the Shaytat Tribesmen – launched a powerful assault on the village of Al-Khareetah in the Deir Ezzor Governorate’s northeastern countryside, where they targeted the Islamic State of Iraq and Al-Sham’s (ISIS) main supply route the province.

Under intense pressure from the Syrian Armed Forces, the terrorist group sent a large wave of reinforcements from the Iraqi border-city of Al-Qa’im in order to forestall the advance and secure their main supply route along the Raqqa-Deir Ezzor Highway.

The reinforcements arrived just in time for the terrorist group, as they were able to fend-off the powerful assault near the Raqqa-Deir Ezzor Highway; however, there are still violent clashes taking place near the Palmyra-Deir Ezzor Highway that leads to the ISIS-controlled city of Al-Sukhanah in the Homs Governorate’s eastern countryside.

According to a military source in the SAA’s 137th Brigade, ISIS social media activists posted false reports about their fighters attacking the Deir Ezzor Military Airport, along with reinforcements being sent to help capture this imperative base.

The Deir Ezzor Airport was relatively untouched this past week, despite repeated claims by ISIS social media activists of “infiltrations” and the capture of territory surrounding the base.

Fierce firefights were also reported between the Syrian Armed Forces and ISIS at Ghassan Abboud Street and the Al-Haweeqah, Al-Rashidiyah, Al-‘Amal, Al-Rusafa, and Al-Jubeileh Districts of Deir Ezzor City.
hallelujah, hallelujah my friends its hallelujah. :D


http://www.almasdarnews.com/article...rengthen-the-effective-government-structures/
Putin: Only solution in Syria is to strengthen the effective government structures

BY NEWS DESK ON SEPTEMBER 26, 2015

Moscow, SANA – Russia’s President Vladimir Putin reiterated that the only solution to the crisis in Syria lies in supporting the effective government structures and helping them in fighting terrorism.

Putin has recently called for establishing a wide coalition against terrorism in cooperation with the Syrian government, stressing that Russia continues supporting Syria militarily to that effect and in accordance with the military contracts signed between the two countries.

“It’s my deep belief that any actions to the contrary in order to destroy the legitimate government will create a situation which you can witness now in the other countries of the region or in other regions, for instance in Libya, where all the state institutions are disintegrated. We see a similar situation in Iraq,” Putin said in an interview with the American CBS TV channel.

He asserted that “there is no other solution to the Syrian crisis than strengthening the effective government structures and rendering them help in fighting terrorism.”

“It’s only the Syrian people who are entitled to decide who should govern their country and how,” Putin added in the interview, whose full text will be published next Sunday.

Earlier on Thursday, Putin’s spokesman Dmitry Peskov stressed that Syria’s fate should be decided only by its people and that President Bashar al-Assad cannot be excluded.

Reem/H.Said
 
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Syrian Army Establishes Control Over Harasta Hills in the East Ghouta

On Thursday morning, the Syrian Arab Army’s 105th Brigade of the Republican Guard – in coordination with the National Defense Forces (NDF) and the Palestine Liberation Army (PLA) – advanced their positions from the village of Al-Kassarat to the hills overlooking the contested town of Harasta inside the East Ghouta (collection of farms) area of Damascus.

Following a series of fierce firefights with the Islamist rebel fighters of Jaysh Al-Islam (Army of Islam), the Syrian Armed Forces reportedly captured the hills overlooking Harasta after killing 17 enemy combatants, while also destroying two armored vehicles that were mounted with a 23mm anti-aircraft machine gun.

Meanwhile, inside the town of Harasta, the Islamist rebels of Jaysh Al-Islam attempted to break-through the National Defense Forces’ frontline positions at the Harasta National Hospital and the Harasta Police Academy; however, for the fourth time this week, they were repelled by the NDF soldiers defending these strategic buildings in western Harasta.

South of Harasta, the Syrian Armed Forces were attacked by a large contingent from Jaysh Al-Islam at the Wafadeen Refugee Camp outside of the rebel-stronghold of Douma; this firefight persisted for over four hours before the Islamist rebels withdrew towards Douma.

With the hills overlooking western Harasta captured, the Syrian Armed Forces have been able to reverse most of Jaysh Al-Islam’s gains from their September offensive.
 

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Sweida Residents Fight Back Against ISIS: Terrorist Group Suffers Heavy Losses

The predominately Druze population of the Al-Sweida Governorate have not only resisted repeated attacks by the Syrian Al-Qaeda group “Jabhat Al-Nusra”, but also, the terrorists of the Islamic State of Iraq and Al-Sham (ISIS), who have assaulted the desolate land in the northern countryside of this province.

Recently, the residents of Al-Sweida have found themselves under attack by a number of ISIS contingents near the town of Al-Qasr, where the aforementioned terrorist group has harassed the local population with random abductions and executions, while also plundering their provisions and resources for their own gain.

However, the tide turned in late June of this year, when the Syrian Government began to supply the residents of Al-Sweida with the necessary weapons they needed to combat this looming threat; it grew into a mutually beneficial situation, as the Syrian Druze formed a large and powerful contingent in the National Defense Forces (NDF).

The civilians in Al-Sweida alleviated the Syrian Arab Army’s (SAA) exhaustion by taking up arms to protect their holy land in Jabal Al-‘Arab; this display of loyalty to the Syrian Arab Army infuriated many of the Jihadist groups that attempted to strain the ties between the Sweida Druze and the Syrian Government.

On Friday morning, the National Defense Forces surprised the ISIS terrorists with a powerful assault on Al-Mu’az Hill in northern Al-Sweida, killing 26 enemy combatants from the terrorist group, while also destroying 3 armored vehicles that were mounted with 23mm anti-aircraft machine guns.

According to a military source in the province, the National Defense Forces are attempting to cutoff ISIS’ main supply route to the province, while recapturing the hilltops in northern Al-Sweida that the terrorist group controls.

In other news, sources in the Al-Sweida Governorate informed SANA about the kidnapping of the Head of Secretary of for the Al-Baath Arab Socialist Party branch in Al-Sweida, Shibli Jannoud.

The sources added that investigations proved that Jannoud was kidnapped by terrorists and taken to an unknown area.
 

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Syrian-Armenians Refuse to Back Down to Al-Qaeda and Sectarian Rebels in Aleppo


The Armenians have a long history in the Syrian economic capital of Aleppo, dating back to the 11th Century A.D. when the Seljuk Turks captured Byzantine controlled Armenia, creating the first known diaspora of Armenians from their ancestral homeland in the East Anatolia of present-day Turkey.

Following the Armenian Genocide of 1915, hundreds of thousands of Armenian civilians poured into northern Syria, settling in the provinces of Aleppo, Al-Hasakah, Al-Raqqa, Latakia, and the Homs.

However, the largest community of Armenians in the Middle East (1915-present) still resides in historical Aleppo City, despite the founding of present day Armenia in 1918.

Syrian-Armenians in Present-Day Syria:

Syrian-Armenians have remained an integral part of Syrian society, with many civilians enjoying Syrian citizenship, while also being allowed to maintain their ethnic and cultural identity amid the rise of Arab Nationalism in the 1950s.

It should come as no surprise that Syrian-Armenians have a long storied history in the Syrian Arab Army (SAA), as tens of thousands of Armenian men have served on the frontlines of every 20th Century Syrian war; in fact, one of the founding fathers of the aforementioned army was a Syrian-Armenian man, ‘Aram Karamanoukian (1910-1996) – he remains beloved in his adopted home of Aleppo.

Armenians in the Syrian Army:

Since the inception of the Syrian Conflict (2011-present), the Syrian-Armenian community has remained ardently loyal to the Syrian Arab Army and Syrian Government, serving on the frontlines of every major battle against the Syrian Opposition forces.

Known as fierce fighters, many Syrian-Armenian men conscripted in the Syrian Arab Army tend to serve in the 106th Brigade of the Republican Guard – a predominately Christian contingent of the Special Forces that is predominately made-up of Syrian Armenians from Aleppo and Syrian Christians from the northern Hama city of Mhardeh.

When Aleppo came under attack by the Free Syrian Army (FSA) in Summer of 2012; it was the Syrian-Armenians that took up arms to protect their districts inside the city.

Without the fierce resistance from the Syrian-Armenians in Aleppo City, the future Islamist rebel fighters would have overrun the historical districts of the provincial capital.

Induction into the National Defense Forces (NDF):

In early 2014, the Syrian Arab Army’s Central Command – under the guidance of Iranian military advisors – formed the civilian-led “National Defense Forces” to protect areas where the Syrian Arab Army is absent.

Within weeks, the NDF was flooded with recruits from all over Syria; however, following the Al-Qaeda, FSA, and Harakat Ahrar Al-Sham’s offensive at the predominately Armenian town of Kassab, this civilian-led militia received a significant boost of 17,000 Armenian volunteers from Aleppo City in order to protect their land.

When the Syrian Arab Army recaptured the town of Kassab in late 2014, they were assisted by hundreds of Syrian-Armenian volunteers from Aleppo, who viewed this battle as a moral imperative against the Islamist forces attempting to force another diaspora.

Defense of Aleppo:

Save the Palestinians of Nayrab Refugee Camp, Al-Ba’ath Brigades, NDF, and the Syrian Arab Army, there has been no other force inside of Aleppo City that has helped defend the provincial capital from Islamist rebel militants like the Armenian militias.

In June 2015, the newly formed conglomerate of Al-Qaeda groups “Ansar Al-Halab” launched a large-scale offensive in west and north Aleppo, capturing territory in the Al-Rashideen District after fierce clashes with the Syrian Armed Forces.

Where the Islamist rebels couldn’t advance at were the Al-Khalidiyah, Al-‘Azizah, and Suleimaniyah Districts, as the Syrian-Armenian NDF soldiers were unwilling to concede an inch of ground to the Al-Qaeda forces.

The Syrian-Armenians of Aleppo label the Islamist rebel fighters as “Ottoman terrorists”, motivating their people to defend their land from – who they believe to be – the same forces that committed the 1915 Genocide.
 

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YPG Cuts Off the Islamist Rebels Main Supply Route to Aleppo
The YPG did not sit idly; instead, they launched a powerful attack on the Islamist rebel fighters entrenched along the strategic Castillo Highway that travels through the Sheikh Maqsoud District of Aleppo City; this assault prompted the militants of Harakat Ahrar Al-Sham, Jabhat Al-Nusra, and Harakat Nour Al-Deen Al-Zinki to withdrawal north towards Tal Oweija.

If the Islamist rebel groups cannot recapture or implement a ceasefire over the territory they lost along the Castillo Highway, they will find themselves in a world of trouble inside the provincial capital, as the Syrian Armed Forces have recently deployed over 2,000 soldiers to Aleppo City.
Israeli Missiles Strike the Syrian Army in the Golan Heights
The missiles did minimal damage to the Syrian Armed Forces’ defensive positions; however, the soldiers protecting the strategic hilltops of Tal Al-Ahmar and Tal Al-Qaba’a believe that these IDF missile strikes were an attempt to propel the Islamist rebels of the Free Syrian Army (FSA) and the Syrian Al-Qaeda group “Jabhat Al-Nusra” past their fortifications.
If these reports are true, then it means Israel is using the tactics used by the Pakis to infiltrate terrorists into India. It is known to all that US ally Turkey is one entry point for ISIS and FSA terrorists into Syria. Now, it might as well be possible that Israel is the second entry point for ISIS and FSA terrorists into Syria. It is hard to verify Israeli claims that rockets were fired into Israel, as Syria would not want to open a new front when they are already fighting ISIS and FSA.
 

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Hell from Above: Over 150 ISIS Terrorists Reportedly Killed in 48 Hours
The Islamic State of Iraq and Al-Sham (ISIS) has had a rough 48 hours in the Deir Ezzor Governorate, as they were attacked by three different air forces and the Syrian Arab Army (SAA) all around this desert province in Syria’s eastern countryside.
Over 650 Islamist Rebels Killed During the Battle for Kafraya and Al-Fou’aa
According to the latest bulletin from Al-Mayadeen News, the civilian-led “National Defense Forces” (NDF), the Syrian Arab Air Force (SAAF), and Hezbollah, reportedly killed over 650 Islamist rebels from the conglomerate of Al-Qaeda factions in Syria – “Jaysh Al-Fateh” – during the battle for the predominately Shi’i towns of Kafraya and Al-Fou’aa inside the Idlib Governorate.

Citing “well-informed sources” inside the towns of Al-Fou’aa and Kafraya, Al-Mayadeen News reported that these 650 enemy combatants were killed during a two month process that included repeated aerial bombardments from the Syrian Air Force and four failed infiltration attempts to bypass the National Defense Forces’ frontline positions at the surrounding villages and hilltops overlooking this rugged area.
Syrian Army Continues to Rollback Jaysh Al-Islam’s Gains Near Damascus
Initially, the Syrian capital was somewhat in trouble, as Jaysh Al-Islam captured the Harasta Industrial Area and the hills surrounding Dhahiyat Al-Assad; these gains were coalesced with Jaysh Al-Islam’s success in the town of Tal Kurdi, where they captured most of the area en route to the ‘Adra Central Prison complex.
 

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Good Russian TV News Report Showing Frontline Action in Syria
 

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Moderate Syrian Rebel Application Form
Andy Borowitz | (The New Yorker) | Russia Insider


Al-Qaeda with US camo and machinegun

Originally appeared in The New Yorker

WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—After announcing, on Thursday, that it would seek $500 million to help “train and equip appropriately vetted elements of the moderate Syrian armed opposition,” the White House today posted the following Moderate Syrian Rebel Application Form:

Welcome to the United States’ Moderate Syrian Rebel Vetting Process. To see if you qualify for $500 million in American weapons, please choose an answer to the following questions:

As a Syrian rebel, I think the word or phrase that best describes me is:
A) Moderate
B) Very moderate
C) Crazy moderate
D) Other

I became a Syrian rebel because I believe in:
A) Truth
B) Justice
C) The American Way
D) Creating an Islamic caliphate

If I were given a highly lethal automatic weapon by the United States, I would:
A) Only kill exactly the people that the United States wanted me to kill
B) Try to kill the right people, with the caveat that I have never used an automatic weapon before
C) Kill people only after submitting them to a rigorous vetting process
D) Immediately let the weapon fall into the wrong hands

I have previously received weapons from:
A) Al Qaeda
B) The Taliban
C) North Korea
D) I did not receive weapons from any of them because after they vetted me I was deemed way too moderate

I consider ISIS:
A) An existential threat to Iraq
B) An existential threat to Syria
C) An existential threat to Iraq and Syria
D) The people who will pick up my American weapon after I drop it and run away

Complete the following sentence. “American weapons are…”
A) Always a good thing to randomly add to any international hot spot
B) Exactly what this raging civil war has been missing for the past three years
C) Best when used moderately
D) Super easy to resell online

Thank you for completing the Moderate Syrian Rebel Application Form. We will process your application in the next one to two business days. Please indicate a current mailing address where you would like your weapons to be sent. If there is no one to sign for them we will leave them outside the front door.
 

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"You Americans created the Islamic state group!" says French MP Jacques Myard on #F24Debate
See video at this link.
 

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The New York Times Is Lying Again, This Time About Those “Moderate” Syrian Rebels
“One cannot help being struck, in the Barnard story, by a disparity between the thinness of the evidence and the cocksure tone of the analysis.”

David Bromwich | (The Huffington Post) Russia Insider


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After a two-year absence from the international stage – during which the mainstream media dispatched them to the realm of nonexistent entities – on October 1 the “moderate rebels” of Syria were back. The New York Times said so.

Russian attacks were targeting moderates rather than ISIS, a man with a camera was quoted saying; and the Times story by Anne Barnard appeared to confirm his suspicion; even as a companion report on Russian actions in Syria by Helene Cooper, Michael R. Gordon, and Neil MacFarquhar revealed that these are the same moderates who were carefully vetted by the CIA, and concerning whom little was heard ever after.

Their numbers are put at 3,000 to 5,000, though the Cooper-Gordon-MacFarquhar article leaves uncertain if that is their original or their present strength. This illumination, after so long a blackout, will doubtless be a subject for inquiry in coming days.

Why it would seem worthwhile for the Russians to attack so small a force, neither of the Times stories bothered to say; nor did they explain why, if the moderate rebels are anti-Jihadist, they were allowed to garrison in the town of Talbiseh in a region north of Homs that (according to the veteran Middle East reporter Patrick Cockburn) has been “ruled” for the past two years “by Jabhat al-Nusra and associated extreme Islamist groups.”

One cannot help being struck, in the Barnard story, by a disparity between the thinness of the evidence and the cocksure tone of the analysis. Consider the single piece of local testimony (generically confirmed by US sources) that is used to get us to take on trust a rebel’s characterization of himself:

Among the areas hit was the base of a group that had been supported and supplied by the United States and its allies, said its leader, Jamil Saleh. He said the group’s base had been hit severely in Hama Province, wounding eight of his men. Later on Wednesday, American officials confirmed that some groups supported by the United States had been hit.

“We are on the front lines with Bashar Al-Assad’s army,” said Mr. Saleh, whose group has recently posted videos of its fighters using sophisticated American-made TOW missiles to destroy government tanks. “We are moderate Syrian rebels and have no affiliation with ISIS. ISIS is at least 100 kilometers away from where we are.”

But ISIS is not the only enemy of American interests in Syria and Iraq, and it is not the only terrorist entity the US government is pledged to defeat. How close are the moderate rebels to al-Nusra? Again, the Times story does not ask.

An editorial tailwind carried the paper’s fascination with the moderate rebels into a second day of coverage on October 2.

A story by Barnard and MacFarquhar, “Vladimir Putin Plunges into a Caldron in Syria,” speculates that Putin’s entry into the war will push “independent Islamists” to ally themselves with al-Nusra, and hence presumably will take them a degree closer to ISIS. “One previously independent Islamist brigade declared its allegiance to the Nusra Front, saying unity was necessary because America and Russia were allied against Muslims ‘to blur the light of truth.’”

Once more, there is a nagging hint of unasked questions. What exactly is an “independent Islamist?” How close was this brigade to the “democratic values” that America espouses? Indeed, how close could it have been if the allure of al-Nusra was just a bombing attack away?

As it happens, the most damaging words ever spoken about the moderate rebels came from President Obama, in an interview with Thomas Friedman fourteen months ago. The president, displaying a candor that is intermittent with him but remarkable when it occurs, said the idea of a Syrian “moderate rebel” force was the sort of miracle cure that Americans dream up when we come to a section of the world we cannot manage:

It’s always been a fantasy, this idea that we could provide some light arms, or even more sophisticated arms, to what was essentially an opposition made up of former doctors, farmers, pharmacists, and so forth, and that that they were going to be able to battle not only a well-armed state, but also a well-armed state backed by Russia, backed by Iran, a battle-hardened Hezbollah. That was never in the cards.

The “moderate rebels” are a good deal like the Third Force once dreamed of by the architects of the Vietnam War, as an alternative to the French colonial government and the communist Viet Minh. The US found an “independent” ally in the corrupt anti-communist Ngo Dinh Diem but eventually had him deposed and killed.

The upright democratic allies on the ground only existed in numbers too weak to count politically or militarily; nor could the CIA in Vietnam conjure them out of thin air; and a failure of rational doubt set the United States on the long downward spiral of that war.

The truth is that Obama when he spoke those words confessed the self-contradiction of his own policy. For his administration continues to harbor enthusiasts of the Third Force idea like Susan Rice and Samantha Power, alongside persons of a less romantic temper such as Vice President Biden and Denis McDonough. When, in August 2011, Obama said that Assad must go and implied that he must go immediately, he was commanding beyond his power to enforce, and he had nobody in view to replace Assad.

The same enthusiasts had already goaded him to commit US power and prestige to the destruction of the government of Libya, without any plan for what would succeed that government. The catastrophe that followed has been so complete that for two years now the word Libya has hardly been uttered by the president; but it must be part of what he thinks of, looking back, when he considers some new piece of high strategic advice on Syria.

During his recent encounter with Vladimir Putin at the UN, Obama conceded that America could approve a “managed transition” from the Assad government to an interim government – that is, a transition with a middle phase to smooth the exit of the detested autocrat. This would be preferable, he meant, to the direct transition from despotic rule to violent anarchy, such as occurred in both Iraq and Libya. Yet a gradual transition had been offered (so long as immediate departure by Assad was not made a precondition) during John Kerry’s visit to Moscow in May 2013; and Kerry’s counterpart, the Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov, said at the time that Russia was not interested in the fate of Assad so much as that of Syria.

Look at the distance between Moscow and Damascus, compare the distance between Washington and Damascus, and you can imagine why a Russian might see things that way. Russia is part of Asia; for us, an ocean intervenes. At any rate, shortly after the Kerry-Lavrov initiative all eyes were turned elsewhere by the second chemical attack and Obama’s threat to bomb Syrian government forces – a sequence of events that could not have scuttled the negotiations more neatly if it had been devised for the purpose.

Now it is 2015, and other regional powers are allied with Russia in the battle against the Islamists, but the New York Times is nostalgic for 2003. Michael Gordon has been writing some of the articles once again, and acting as a filter for the other pieces that he co-signs; and it is appropriate for readers to take him with exactly the trust that he earned by his discovery of nonexistent WMD in Iraq.

An article on October 2 by Anne Barnard and Andrew E. Kramer – the most honest of the four Times stories over the past two days – levels with readers enough to permit a dry assessment of the Russian motives for entering the fight against ISIS and the Islamist insurgents. It speaks of the same group that the paper just five weeks earlier had called Ahrar al-Sham, under a new and more palatable name, “the Army of Conquest”:

Often fighting alongside the Army of Conquest are relatively secular groups from what is left of the loose-knit Free Syrian Army, including some groups that have received United States training and advanced American-made antitank missiles. At least one group trained by the C.I.A. was among the targets hit on Wednesday, which drew an angry response from Washington.

Here, at last, one finds the beginning of a picture of the rebels in context, a picture that suggests the wildness of the American attempt to assert our will on this terrain. Barnard and Kramer continue:

But the Army of Conquest itself embodies the ambivalence of American policy. The United States considers the Nusra Front a terrorist organization, but other groups, including some that have received American funding, fight alongside the Nusra Front, saying that they have no choice if they want to unseat Mr. Assad.

The article closes with John Kerry’s warning that Russia must not attack any fighting organization except ISIS. But how have we ever known exactly where ISIS is? ISIS stole a march on the US and its allies in both Iraq and Syria. Everything American authorities have said about their progress and their location has proved unreliable.

“Who Is Fighting Whom?” Such was the question posed by a Times analytic chart at the breaking of the first news of Russian entry into the Syrian war. The US, France, and Britain are said to support “More moderate elements among the rebel forces in Syria.” That is one way of putting it; another way is “less extreme”; and these two phrases recur in the self-portraits of the Islamist commanders who want continued US support and subsidy. The ambivalence of the Times echoes the ambivalence of US policy as described by the Times.

Both the government and the newspaper that sets the pattern for the mainstream media have taught us that al-Qaeda is the sworn enemy of US interests; that al-Nusra is the Syrian branch of al-Qaeda; and that a pact with either terrorist sect, even for the sake of fighting against ISIS, would be desperate and self-destructive. But we are urged at the same time to suppose – the complicated relationships of Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Qatar, and Israel encourage it – that al-Nusra is perhaps a milder version of al-Qaeda and that both are necessary allies in the titanic struggle to overthrow Assad and defeat ISIS in a single stroke.

The sheer quantity of self-deception that is required to support this fantasy ought to be obvious; but the fantasy will tempt us until our leaders break once and for all with the dreamers of the Third Force.
 

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They Do It in Moderation
Bryan Hemming | (Off Guardian) | Russia Insider


Five degrees to the left of ISIS = good?

This article originally appeared at Off-Guardian

After a few years of not being able to distinguish ‘moderate rebels’ from extreme terrorists in Syria to the point of funding, arming and training members of Al Qaeda, the US decides to criticise Russia for not distinguishing between ‘moderate rebels’ and extreme terrorists in their bombing campaign.

Perhaps the US should supply them with a list of names and addresses. After all, they should know where they live; they vetted them. Can’t be that hard. Last count they numbered four or five, according to official US government sources.

You could squeeze most of the details on the back of a fag packet using tiny letters. One might’ve popped out for a cup of tea when the list was compiled, as US intelligence doesn’t seem too sure about the exact number. It was definitely four or five, to be exact.

Anyhow, popping out for cups of tea is exactly the sort of behaviour you’d expect from moderate rebels. They don’t hack people’s heads off, they help old ladies cross roads, and look after people’s children, when asked.

I expect we’ll soon hear of moderate serial killers, moderate drug barons, moderate rapists and moderate suicide bombers. They just kill, rape and pillage in moderation.
 

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