The Real Reason Russia is Warming Up to Pakistan

Sakal Gharelu Ustad

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Another person's stupidity is in the eyes of the beholder.

After the US refusal to help us in 1962 and on top of that, stopping us from using air power, I am not so optimistic.

What you are saying is your personal opinion, and a hypothesis. This hypothesis is untested. The only way to validate it (without actually going to war with PRC), is to look at the past. Once we do that, we know this hypothesis is more likely to be proven false.

Now, if you are tempted to call it living nostalgia, let me remind you, this is not nostalgia, this is learning from history and not repeating the mistakes of others.

I agree that India needs to be less scared, and thus, India needs to stop pretending as if Uncle Sam is going to fight India's wars. It won't. It is more interested in selling weapons than anything else.

I am not too worried though. At least. Modi is not living under an illusion (certainly not after what happened in Ukraine). He is tightening the screws on NGOs, including Ford Foundation. That is a good sign.

  • Crimea: Vote of accession. Just like Sikkim. Crimea has been part of Russia longer than Sikkim has been part of India.
  • Afghanistan: Was never invaded by the USSR.
  • Finland: Was part of Russia, and was given freedom without bloodshed. They should have reciprocated in peace, but they reciprocated in violence against their own pro-Russia population and started exporting anti-Bolsheviks. Got hammered by Stalin. Well deserved I say. Someone who has "read history" should be expected to know.
  • Poland: Never annexed. Part of Warsaw Pact. Vassal at best. They are still vassals.
  • Eastern Europe: Never annexed. Part of Warsaw Pact. Vassal at best. They are still vassals.
  • East Germany: Never annexed. Part of Warsaw Pact. Vassal at best. They are still vassals.
  • Alleged Betrayal: Most of Eastern Europe had factories built with the help of the USSR. These countries produced Soviet weapons, never paid a penny in royalty. Yet, these countries happily sold weapons to CIA which were sent to Afghan Mujahideen, and have in turn ended up in India, as we see from weapons captured from the Pakistani terrorists. Weapons is just one example. The largest steel mill in Eastern Europe was in Poland, again, built by the Soviets.
P.S.: Of course I am brilliant. I did not have an easy way up my life, aided by the socialist policies of the government. I actually had to study hard. :devil: (Just saving you the trouble by bringing up what you were going to bring up anyway.)


That's right. USSR was invited, so there was no invasion. (Just like USSR was neutral in 1965, so we cannot blame them for seeking restoration of status quo ante, as is the norm, but you might as well disagree.)

Afghan government invited the USSR as Kabul was under siege and road leading to Kabul were under threat. The USSR was invited 11 times, and on the 12th time, the USSR sent its forces.

In any event, from Indian PoV Afghanistan was better off as a Soviet puppet than as a US/Saudi/Pakistani puppet.
Sometimes your posts are so amusing to read.

All I would suggest you is to smell the coffee and get awake in new world order.
 

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Stay happy. Love is blind, no point countering it!
Facts lie in the past. Hypotheses and speculation about New World Order lie in the future. New World Order is in the making. We don't know what is going to happen in the future. I am not blind to hypothesis, and I am not blind to know that an untested hypothesis is just that, an untested hypothesis.
 

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If Russia is being friendly to Pakistan...and against India..then, why Russia is going ahead with supplying S400
anti missile systems, FGFA, Nuclear Subs and much more to India ?
I think Russia and China both are looking forward to a Russia+China+ Iran +India +Pakistan +Iraq+Syria +Central Asian repubs Axis... to counter West + Saudi +Jordan +Isra ill+ possibly Turkey.
If that happens, trade can flow vigorously in the whole region and wars delayed forever.
 

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Russia does not know that Pakistan does not pay, it needs freebies. Sooner than later they would discover that there is no incoming cash from Pakistan. The arms factories in Russia will go bankrupt sooner than later.

So let the Russians warm up to Pakistan. The fun is about to begin from a cashless nation to a cash hungry nation.
 

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If Russia is being friendly to Pakistan...and against India..then, why Russia is going ahead with supplying S400
anti missile systems, FGFA, Nuclear Subs and much more to India ?
I think Russia and China both are looking forward to a Russia+China+ Iran +India +Pakistan +Iraq+Syria +Central Asian repubs Axis... to counter West + Saudi +Jordan +Isra ill+ possibly Turkey.
If that happens, trade can flow vigorously in the whole region and wars delayed forever.
And what would happen to the "thekedari of Ummah" that Pak believes in?
 

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If Russia is being friendly to Pakistan...and against India..then, why Russia is going ahead with supplying S400 anti missile systems, FGFA, Nuclear Subs and much more to India ?
Being friendly to Pakistan doesn't necessarily mean turning against India.
India has been trying to improve her relationship with US which is supposed to be Russian rival. It is not a white and black in the modern world.

I think Russia and China both are looking forward to a Russia+China+ Iran +India +Pakistan +Iraq+Syria +Central Asian repubs Axis... to counter West + Saudi +Jordan +Isra ill+ possibly Turkey.
Where did you get that Idea?
Chinese is upgrading Saudi's missiles while Saudi is selling Chinese huge amount of oil at cheap price;
Europeans are jumping into AIIB under the objection of Americans;
Russian reached the truce with Germany and French on Ukraine by shutting American out of talk;
Germany and French have been politically protecting Iran from American's military threat until this year;
Israel, French, Italian and even Britain have been supplier key military technologies and advanced machines to Chinese;
Americans have been closely working with Chinese in Iraq.
 
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