The race of Jesus: Unknown, yet powerful

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    The race of Jesus: Unknown, yet powerful
    AP | Dec 25, 2013, 06.33 AM IST

    For two thousand years, he has been worshipped and adored. And yet nobody really knows the face of Jesus.

    So when this Christmas season brought a torrent of debate over whether Jesus was a white man, it struck a nerve.

    "That statement carries a whole lot of baggage," said Rockwell Dillaman, pastor of Allegheny Center Alliance Church in Pittsburgh. "Political baggage, spiritual baggage, emotional baggage. Especially in a culture like ours where the relations of white people to other ethnicities has often been marked by injustice and distrust."

    Why should we even care what Jesus looked like? If his message is God and love, isn't his race irrelevant? Some say God wanted it that way, since there are no references to Jesus' earthly appearance in the Bible.

    Jesus can be safely categorized as a Jew, born about 2,000 years ago in the Middle East in what is now Palestinian territory. Therefore, many scholars believe that Jesus must have looked "Arab."

    "Today, in our categories, we would probably think of him as a person of color," said Doug Jacobsen, a professor of church history and theology at Messiah College.

    That view was contested by Fox News host Megyn Kelly while critiquing a Slate.com column titled "Santa Claus Should Not Be a White Man Anymore."

    "Jesus was a white man, too," Kelly said.

    Her statement drew responses from impassioned rebukes to scholarly rebuttals.

    Wrote Jonathan Merritt in The Atlantic: "If he were taking the red-eye flight from San Francisco to New York today, Jesus might be profiled for additional security screening."

    If this is so obvious, though, why does a Google image search for "Jesus" reveal countless pictures of a European man with straight hair, fair skin and, often, blue eyes?

    The first pictures of Jesus appeared several hundred years after his death, said Edward Blum, co-author of "The Color of Christ: The Son of God and the Saga of Race in America." Some depicted him in animal form, as a lion or a lamb.

    Blum said that from about 700 to 1500 A.D., various Jesus images proliferated throughout Europe, the Middle East and northern Africa — including black Jesus pictures.

    Dillaman, the pastor, has a book that offers Bible images from different world cultures — a last supper where everyone is Thai; images of Jesus as Chinese or African.

    "All these ethnicities are trying to capture Jesus in their own skin, if you will," he said.

    By the 1500s, Blum said, 90 percent of Christians were European. As Europe colonized the globe, they took white Jesus with them. In America, white Jesus images started to become widespread in the early 1800s.

    There also is a desire to fit Jesus into modern racial classifications. In America today, this logic goes, Jews are white. Jesus was a Jew, so Jesus must be white.

    Yet Jews did not originate in Europe, and for centuries were considered to belong to a non-white race of their own. Only recently have they been moved into America's "white" column, along with Irish and Italians.

    For Carol Swain, a scholar of race at Vanderbilt University and a "Bible-believing follower of Jesus Christ," the whole debate is totally irrelevant.

    "Whether he's white, black, Hispanic, whatever you want to call him, what's important is that people find meaning in his life," Swain said.

    The race of Jesus: Unknown, yet powerful - The Times of India
     
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    Does missionaries look at skin colour or race for soul harvesting?
     
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    its a very complex question because missionaries keeps even the political and racial angle . As in Western countries people see in terms of race more than religion.
     
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    I think this is the only thing that matters. The rest is all convenience and baggage as is rightly pointed out. Unless and until there are political compulsions, no one will try to portray something or somebody as their own. And, religion is one of the areas that is full of politics.
     
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    Yes , totally correct , religions are beyond this racial attitudes but problems starts that time when people are not identify by their nationalities but race. Africans, Asians, Middle eastern and Indian Christians go through the same discrimination like other Non Christians even when Christianity doesn't permit it , just tactics are changed when its about Christians and when its about non Christians.
     
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    Jesus walked over water.

    I am not aware if he could fly also.

    Therefore, being born in Bethlehem should make him a Middle East Asian.

    Or is being a white, makes one white (In English language usage, it mean correct and acceptable)?
     
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    Here is the best answer

     
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    Thanq for this video. I am a big fan of MJ.

    PS: I like MJ for his extreme talent which is unbeaten even today. As a matter of fact I like most of the classics.
     
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    And it does not matter if he Black or White! ;)
     
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    But for some everything matters , if its brown :rofl:
     
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    You know, some people say that Jesus actually went to India in his "Lost Years"...
     
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    No one knows exactly how Jesus looked, but I am pretty sure he did NOT look like this:

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    He was from a desert region where most people were tan/light brown and had dark hair.
     
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    From the first time Christian children settle into Sunday school classrooms, an image of Jesus Christ is etched into their minds. In North America he is most often depicted as being taller than his disciples, lean, with long, flowing, light brown hair, fair skin and light-colored eyes. Familiar though this image may be, it is inherently flawed. A person with these features and physical bearing would have looked very different from everyone else in the region where Jesus lived and ministered. Surely the authors of the Bible would have mentioned so stark a contrast. On the contrary, according to the Gospel of Matthew, when Jesus was arrested in the garden of Gethsemane before the Crucifixion, Judas Iscariot had to indicate to the soldiers whom Jesus was because they could not tell him apart from his disciples. Further clouding the question of what Jesus looked like is the simple fact that nowhere in the New Testament is Jesus described, nor have any drawings of him ever been uncovered. There is the additional problem of having neither a skeleton nor other bodily remains to probe for DNA. In the absence of evidence, our images of Jesus have been left to the imagination of artists. The influences of the artists' cultures and traditions can be profound, observes Carlos F. Cardoza-Orlandi, associate professor of world Christianity at Columbia Theological Seminary in Atlanta. "While Western imagery is dominant, in other parts of the world he is often shown as black, Arab or Hispanic." And so the fundamental question remains: What did Jesus look like?

    An answer has emerged from an exciting new field of science: forensic anthropology. Using methods similar to those police have developed to solve crimes, British scientists, assisted by Israeli archeologists, have re-created what they believe is the most accurate image of the most famous face in human history.

    The Real Face Of Jesus - What Did Jesus Look Like? - Popular Mechanics
     
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    Absolutely right. Nobody knows for sure how Jesus looked like. @civfanatic is right in saying that He must have appeared tan with dark hair. Israel, Egypt and all the Mesopotamian race can be taken as references to infer how Jesus looked like.

    But whatever technology we use, our guess will remain just that...a guess. It is the Word of God that says Christ was born of the Spirit and not of the flesh. So, it is quite natural that there are no traces of fleshly remains, DNA or whatever.

    BTW, it once again reiterates that the Shroud of Turin might be also false, because if there was any trace of blood on it, it could have been possible to take a DNA print.
     
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    Everybody stress about how Jesus, Ram or any other god for that matter looked like and forget to recognize what they stood for and what they taught this world. I say let us remember the teachings of great souls and spread LOVE AND PEACE and not fight for SUPREMACY.
     
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