The pragmatic idealism of Nehru

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  1. AVERAGE INDIAN

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    Somewhere in the files of the PMO there is a 1949 query by Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru to his Army chief, General K C Cariappa, asking if the Indian Army would be able to intervene and prevent the Chinese conquest of Tibet.

    The General’s response was that, given the capacity of the Army and the difficult communication links with Tibet, intervention was out of the question.

    Nehru was not the caricature woolly-headed idealist that his critics make him out to be. He had to deal with the instruments under his command. And among these was an army that lacked the size and heft to take on the battle-hardened PLA across the Himalayas in Tibet in 1950.

    Redeployment

    India’s response to the invasion of Tibet by China, beginning January 1, 1950, was, therefore, cautious. Nehru’s interim government had already supplied weapons and trained Tibetans since 1946. But with Chinese power rampant, the Indian effort became covert.

    According to one source, India quietly dispatched 40,000 rifles to the Khampa regions, the first to feel the weight of the PLA invasion.

    Sardar Patel’s famous letter to Nehru on November 7, 1950, warning of the dangers arising from the Chinese invasion of Tibet, was not meant as a critique of Nehru as many uber-nationalists claim, but as part of a policy review which was undertaken after the Sardar passed away a month later.

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    A committee headed by Major General Himmatsinhji, the Deputy Minister for Defence, was set up to examine the issues of the border and external intelligence.

    The Committee, which comprised of senior army, intelligence and foreign ministry officials, submitted its reports in two parts, one dealing with the eastern border in April 1951 and the other with the western border in September.

    The recommendations called for the reorganisation and redeployment of the military forces and an increase in the size of the infantry and supporting arms, the development of certain airfields, the setting up of radar stations in the east, and an increase in the size of the Assam Rifles to patrol the border.

    It called for the strengthening of the administration in the eastern areas and the strengthening of the IB network.

    The dilemma before Nehru was stark. His army could not take on the PLA in Tibet. So, he used diplomacy to delay that moment of confrontation. Unfortunately, it came sooner rather than later and its causes had as much to do with India’s China policy as Beijijng’s internal power struggles.

    The Indian Army not only lacked the capacity to intervene in Tibet - it did not even have the ability to defend India’s northern border. To right this, paradoxically, Nehru needed economic growth, which required minimising defence expenditures, while encouraging the creation of a domestic defence industry.

    Towards that end, the government appointed Dr D.S. Kothari as the Scientific Adviser to the Defence Minister and the head of the new Defence Science Organisation in 1949.

    In 1957 India began work on the design and development of a combat aircraft which was to be done by a German team of Dr Kurt Tank and Engineer Mittelhuber, while an Indian team of Dr Ghatage and Raj Mahindra would design a jet trainer.

    The first flight of the HF-24 took place in June 1961 and the trainer HJT-16 (Kiran) in September 1964.

    But Nehru’s diplomacy failed to synchronise with his defence modernisation plans. Also, it was hit by America’s decision to arm Pakistan in the name of fighting Communism.

    Even though India expanded its ordnance factories and established facilities to make and assemble trucks, aircraft and other equipment, poor management and scarce resources ensured that the armed forces were badly equipped when the crisis with China erupted in 1959, culminating in the disastrous war of 1962 that shattered Nehru’s reputation and health.

    Pragmatism

    Nehru’s pragmatism is best visible in his policy on nuclear weapons. He was among the first leaders to call for the abolition of nuclear weapons in the world. However, he was also the person who summoned Homi Bhabha and gave him the wherewithal to start India’s civil nuclear programme.

    In 1956, a nuclear reactor named Apsara, designed and built by Indian scientists and engineers, went critical. This was the first reactor to go critical in all of Asia. By 1958-1959, the DAE overtook the CSIR as the most important scientific institution in the country.

    Criticism

    One third of all R&D expenditures were flowing to the DAE. This led to the 1955 Canadian offer of a nuclear reactor called CIRUS (Canada-India-US) with the initial load of uranium fuel to be supplied by them came through. Nehru and Bhabha’s strategy was to build India’s nuclear capacity in such a way that it could be quickly transformed into a strategic capability.

    Once again, unfortunately, they were let down by their instrumentalities. The DAE failed to deliver the plutonium reprocessing facility in time and the result was that India did not have the wherewithal to carry out a nuclear test shortly after the Chinese test of October 1964 or before the cut-off date of January 1, 1967 for the NPT.

    It is easy to criticise Nehru today. His priority then, as it remains that of our country today, is to take hundreds of millions of poor Indians out of poverty and protect the country’s territorial integrity.

    Given the circumstances, he did not do a bad job, and he did it without murdering millions as was done in China, or overturning democracy, as was the case in many countries of the time.

    But to understand him, you have to place yourself in his very large-sized shoes. Suffice to say, none of the heroes of today’s uber-nationalists would be able to fill them.

    The writer is a Contributing Editor, Mail Today and Distinguished Fellow, Observer Research Foundation

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    I completely agree with this part. Very well written.
     
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    The author claims to know the details of the General Himmat Singhji report......lol

    Claude Arpi: Where is the Himmatsinghji Committee’s Report?

     
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    Stockholm syndrome, or capture-bonding, is a psychological phenomenon in which hostages express empathy and sympathy and have positive feelings toward their captors, sometimes to the point of defending and identifying with them.:lol: These feelings are generally considered irrational in light of the danger or risk endured by the victims, who essentially mistake a lack of abuse from their captors for an act of kindness.[1][2] The FBI's Hostage Barricade Database System shows that roughly 8% of victims show evidence of Stockholm syndrome......... hence it proved on avg 8% Indians are suffering Sicklurholm ooooops Nehruholm syndrome :lol:
     
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    :lol::lol::lol:
     
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    What so funny....... Sickular nehru have many achievements like Nkorean Kim

    He established dynasty
    Both countries have voting rights without alternative
    No channel except Govt propaganda media(DD)
    Sickular,Socialist policies and curtail pvt entrepreneurship by some rules(here License raj)
    Glorifying Islamic mass murders ,fakir(gandi) in Text books......... brain washing kids
    Cunningly elected as CONgi president thus PM (cong party selected Patel but gandi insisted Nehru)

    Wow such a Idealistic,Pragmatic person :lol: :lol:
     
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    People voted for them, there are alternatives like communists but they never gave competition to congress, until right wing nationalism emerged.

    India, China and most of the countries followed socialist policies, back then India is not an attractive destination for investments and also private players not encouraged in the name of socialism.

    Secularism is not a drawback it is a strength!!

    The history is taught in the wrong perspective in some areas for sure, But most of the history textbooks are fine !!
    Some of the heroes are ignored for sure !!
    Gandhi spear headed the Independence movement and his place in the history is apt.

    Not correct, Nehru is better leader and a statesman.

    The drawback of Nehru is socialistic policies and 1962 China incident. Even China is a closed economy by then.
     
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    I think u don't know NKoreans still WORSHIP KIM family,they thinks his policies are best and their country is best like many brain washed Indians :rofl:



    :rofl:
     
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    These are state sponsored cries :lol:
     
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    Sardar Patel had a far better grasp of military and strategic affairs, while the woolly headed Nehru was more suitable as a diplomat. It's India's enduring tragedy that Gandhi forced him on us in place of Patel.
     
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    TE="anoop_mig25, post: 1267801, member: 801"]your point of dumping in this very old thread?????[/QUOTE]
    Just couldn't find relevant thread. Sry if any mistake:smile:
     
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    i was reluctant to post about his personal psychological traits , until i saw your post

    Honestly the man seemed to have some symptoms of dual personality or schizo ....perhaps not medical schizo, but a very mild non -medical form

    on one hand he wanted to stop china in tibet , otoh he did nothing when seeing them advance , he did nothing to arm india and then even called china a brother

    i think he had serious problems going on internally in his mind , the result of which if you look at h is decisions , at his behaviour, there are wild swings from one extreme to the other , not a rational middle of the road ...perhaps he was simply out of his depth in such matters and found the challenges overwhelming to the extent of causing personality type repercussions

    on one hand he would act megalomanic otoh he would exhibit symptoms of serious and irrational fear

    rationality is what the man lacked and you cant have a person in the PM's post exhibiting such a lack

    sardar patel would have been better , but again it is an imaginary proposition ,,,, in reality we had JN as our lot in life

    He would have made a superb Chancellor of a University or even as Minister for Education ...he would easily have excelled in that ....which makes me think that considering India's position geopolitically, any future PM should have had sufficient time as Defence Minister before being qualified to be considered for the PM's post

    The other way of looking at it is to realise that he was probably the best we had , maybe realistically , the only one we had ..... so we had to make do with it ??

    @pmaitra @Willy2 @Prayash @anoop_mig25 @Srinivas_K
     
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    Looking at Tibet physical map i think Indian at time of freedom could had hardly anything to prevent its capture by Chinese without help of Big powers of which ussr was pro-china and india was anti-west

    Only stupid he did was not capturing full J&K and becuase of his short-shightness we are still paying in terms of lack of connectivity to CA/Europe

    @roma

    But what do u think of he begin projected as libreal /progressive

    considering that under his leadership constitutional amendment was done to limit free speech

    Also instaed of future PM begin from defence

    What i think is having team PM/CM who could unleash power of indian business /economy so as just to achieve growth just kike what china achieved in 80-90-00

    with financial muscle we could easily get desired militarily muscle

    sadly none of current leadership of any political party inspires much
     
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