The paradox of Missile Transfer and Control Regime

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  1. SPIEZ

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    prevent the proliferation of missile and unmanned aerial vehicle technology capable of carrying a 500 kg payload at least 300 km.
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    However some of the founding members themselves have not practiced what they have are preaching

     
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    [*]For example the US Trident Missile UGM-133 Trident II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia In the hands of both US navy and the UK navy.

    Technicalities. The trident deal was "grandfathered". Same excuse china gives when it builds a nuclear reactor for Pakistan.


    [*]Russia and it's sale of KH55 long range cruise missile Bypassing the NMD - the Cruise Missile Proliferation Problem

    there are many versions of this missile including a 300 km version. Russia has not broken it's international obligations. If it wanted, it could have co-developed a longer range


    [*]China which is aiding and abetting proliferation by supplying weapons to N.Korea, Pakistan and Iran:-

    check the countries part of MTCR. If you are not part of it, you are not obliged to follow.


    [*]And last but not the least, N.Korea supplying Ballistic missiles to Pakistan
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    same as above.
     
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    The Messiah Bow Before Me! Elite Member

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    Well they shouldn't be on the list because they aren't part of mtcr.
     
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    Yup! My mistake N.Korea isn't a member of MTCR. But what about the founding members themselves, USA, UK, Russia etc. And whats with China being a member there, despite their conman violation of the mtcr guideline ?
     
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    Trident deal was grandfathered Saar.
     
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    China was added to the list later. Read the link I had provided.
    Also what does grand fathered mean ?
    How can you frame a rule that whichyou do not follow ?
     
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    MTCR is a regime and is NOT a binding treaty like the NPT

    Even NPT has been violated by China

    Right Now USA is itself violating MTCR because Taiwan and South Korean scientists
    are getting a lot of GUIDANCE and cooperation from US scientists
     
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    Wouldn't that account to an epic fail ?
    I understand that it is only a Regime, and doesn't bind, but think only USA/UK would be allowed to proliferate and none other.... Wouldn't that stand for a bad bargain ?
     
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    Based on the above diagram China is the biggest proliferator of ballistic missile tech.
     
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    I m guessing China was forced onto the regime. What why wasn't this question raised by anyone/media/organisation?
     
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    There is AAP document, which read that technology used for a cruise missile ciould be reverse engineered very easily, for eg the flight control system/ radar altimeter. The KH55 tarnsfer from Russia/Ukraine to China, falls into that category, I believe.
     
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    There's more Tomahawk (missile) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    The tomahawk cruise missile with a range greater than 2000km is again with two founder nations, despite the fact that it was acquired in 2004. Way ahead of the time after the formation of MTCR.
     
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    Israel is not a signatory, this is how they actively work with us in our missile programs. Also
    many member countries can do their dirt work thru third countries:
    China thru North Korea
    Russia thru Ukraine
    USA has also given missile technology to many NATO nations and nations under
    USA's nuclear umbrella.
    Everything looks good on paper but the reality can be a lot different.
     
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    why are we playing by the rules ?
     
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    who says we are?? Israelis and India working on projects beyond 300km (nirbhay).
     
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    Is it so, are there any links ?
    I hear we are only consulting the Israeli's on the Nirbhay cruise missile
     
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    Let us hope so SPIEZ. If it is true then it is good for INDIA and it is better to keep this as an open secret.......
     

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