The Opposition wants Vote on FDI

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  1. Ray

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    NDA wants vote on FDI in retail in House
    TNN Nov 21, 2012, 03.24AM IST

    NEW DELHI: The BJP-led National Democratic Alliance on Tuesday decided to focus on moving a motion in Parliament under a voting provision to oppose FDI in multi-brand retail, leaving Trinamool Congress leader Mamata Banerjee isolated over her no-trust vote proposal.

    Banerjee was on the brink of a major embarrassment as NDA joined the Left in formally indicating that it finds opposing the government on FDI a much more paying proposition than a no-confidence motion as it would result in a strong coalition of BJP, Left and regional parties.

    NDA wants vote on FDI in retail in House - Times Of India

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    An interesting situation has arisen

    I was listening to the TimesNow debate.

    It appears from Mr Chacko (Congress rep) that he was confident that Congress had the numbers to make mince meat of the No Confidence motion.

    So, it appears that it was a non starter since the Congress could not care less.

    Further, as one can glean from the debates on various channels over the last few days, it appears that no political party is really geared up for an election and hence bringing down the Govt would not be in the interest of any one of them.

    As Chacko said that the demand of the Opposition is basically to embarrass the Govt. It does mean that the Congress is well aware that the majority of political parties are against the FDI.

    Now, if one takes the Parliament to be the voice of the people, then it means that the majority of the Nation is against the FDI.

    If that be so, how can the Govt of the day, go against the will of the people as represented by the numbers in the Parliament?

    That apart, I think that discussion and debates in Parliament without a vote reduces the Parliament into a Debating Club and a forum with polluted hot air of no consequence.

    Is that what is called democracy and the will of the people being vested in the representative we vote in to the Parliament.

    Why waste the Nation's money in having chaps who only debate?

    If debate alone is what the Parliament stands for, we might as well have debating clubs all over the country where the people can go and have their heart full with a lot of hot air of no consequence.

    I wonder why there should not be a vote after each discussion so that we know where our elected representatives stand and if they deserve our vote the next time around.

    Parliament is not an English public school teaching elocution and debate.
     
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    Congress wants to pass FDI Bill without the consent of Opposition parties hence the demand by ruling party to have a discussion under section 193 (I think) of Parliamentary procedure rather than section 184 that allows a vote. BJP, Communists and Biju Janata Dal had asked for discussion under Section 184 with vote at end while Momota didi went her way by bringing in Vote of No condidence showing her immaturity.
     
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    Those who want FDI will hope that Congress has its way. Purely from their view on FDI.

    @Ray, there is also argument about executive decision being the prerogative of the government.

    But the govt represents the will of the people on who is in power by the same argument and so whatever decision the govt takes is also the will of the people which put it in power in the first place. Ultimately it all boils down to numbers and technicalities. The opposition is not as saintly as they are trying to project themselves. Their ulterior motives have been apparent all throughout.

    I will also ask why did the BJP not support the no confidence motion?
     
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    These people need to be banged, seriously. The whole lot of them. They are making "FDI" a bad word. These scoundrels should be educating the populace about how other countries have progressed and entered the club of middle income countries, how industrial growth and infrastructure will pull thousands out of poverty.

    But no, the buggers will go ahead and scream shit, so that the whole country thinks "FDI" is some scary thing. Next time, some Japanese or European company will build an expressway between two Indian cities, and some idiot will start moaning against "FDI". :frusty:
     
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    Executive decisions are the prerogative of the Govt of the day, however there is no embargo to discuss the same in Parliament and Rule 184 allows a vote.

    If indeed the Govt of the day is sanguine that it serves the interest of the majority of the People of the Nation, then it would have the requisite numbers to represent that will of the majority. Hence in that case it would then surely have the necessary number of vote that will pass with majority the motion in favour of the govt.

    The Govt represents the will of the People and of that there is no doubt. However, the Govt of the day in this case is dependent on the majority of the House which has allowed the Govt to be constituted in the first place.

    In the case of the current Govt, it is Coalition Govt and so it is the will of the many political parties representing different political views that form the Govt.

    It appears that the very same political parties which has helped the majority party in Govt to form the Coalition to govern are not with the Govt in this case. Hence, the majority political party that is the constituent of the Govt, does not represent the consensus of the Govt and hence, does not represent the majority of the views of the People of the Nation.

    Therefore, the Govt becomes a lame duck and cannot claim to be the representative of the will of the majority of the Nation.

    This makes it all the more necessary to have a re-check if the executive decision is the collective will of the Govt (composed of various parties propping up the majority party) or has it been bamboozled through.



    I have explained why the Opposition or any other party is not keen on bringing the Govt down.
     
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    BJP seems to be working on something !
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    I didn't like ur post.
     
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    some Japanese orEuropean company will build an expressway between twoIndian cities.
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    As long as they don't bring cement and steel from other countries(cheaply) and construct here. I don't mind.
     
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    Nobody will bring cement and steel from anywhere else. Is that even financially and logistically viable???!

    India has some of the cheapest rates in the world, for anything - whether labour or goods. Only a fool will import cement and steel for construction within India.
     
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    Who are protesting against this ? Its abt FDI. We don't want flood our mkts with cheap chinese goods like US.
     
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    Actually, India does not have the cheapest of goods or labour.

     
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    By the way,we are importing steel from china. Tragedy is they import our iron ore and make finished product and export to us. Because our company is not able to produce steel at cheap rates. We import cement from pak at cheap rate than ours.
     
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    It is cheaper to import items from Europe or Asia than to transport them internally.

    India's Electricity, Transport, Fuel costs are some of the world's highest.
     
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    As far as Cement goes, Pakistani cement is cheaper than indian cement. Thousands of tons have been imported through the land route from our neighbour.

    In fact in today's paper there is a news item that a Pakistani Cement manufacturer Lucky, wants to build a cement plant in India.

    Pakistan cement maker Lucky eyes plant in India - Livemint
     
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    Labour is among the world's cheapest, looking at international prices. The problem, as Singh pointed out, is with infrastructure - high costs of transportation, electricity, etc.
     
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    True in many cases, and the basic reason for this is the infrastructure. The state of our roads, railways and power situation makes things much more expensive than it should be. Also, we make it tough for domestic manufacture of steel, etc. due to the well known reasons - land acquisition issues, etc.

    It is a chicken and egg situation basically. When we speak of building a road between two Indian cities, we need that infra to push the cycle of further development. if India imports 10% of its steel requirements, as a rough estimate you can say that in such projects executed as of today, around 85%+ of the raw material will be sourced locally.
     
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    The reason why BJP and other parties did not back TMC on the no- confidence motion was the fact that both BSP and SP would have supported the Congress and the motion would have been defeated.

    SP would have supported the ruling party due to the fear of the DA cases being pursued by the CBI and Miss.Mayawati is supporting Congress in quid pro quo of the Reservation in Job Promotions bill for SC/ST Bill being passed as soon as possible.

    However on FDI in Retail both DMK and SP have been shouting hoarse from the roof tops of their opposition to this bill. any vote on this under Rule 184 will expose these two parties and embarrass the Congress.

    Very clever move by the opposition.
    Government on it's part can allocate 2/3 days for this but on the condition that the pending bills on Banking and Insurance and Pension are passed by the LS and then only this discussion wil take place.
     
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    yes, you have to account for fixed costs.
     
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    It is not universal.

    It depends on location.

    One cannot wash the Indian canvas with a stroke of a brush.
     

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