The new "Final Solution" - The nuts and bolts

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  1. alon9

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    The new "Final Solution" - The nuts and bolts

    In this article I will show the insidious connection between holocaust denying and the panning of a new “Final Solution”. In essence, the reason why Israel will bomb Iran not in the so distant future.

    First, to better understand the source of the threat I’m talking about, you can read it straight from the mouth of the #2 man himself:

    The New York Times: “Wipe Israel of the Map” - http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/26/world/africa/26iht-iran.html?_r=1
    Press TV: “Fall of Israel” - CIA report: Israel will fall in 20 years
    Wikipidia.org - Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    The Jerusalem Post: Ahmadinejad quotes - Ahmadinejad quotes | Iran news | Jerusalem Post


    In order to bring about the “fall of Israel”, all preconditions for genocide must be met or else Israel will not be wiped off the map. These are:

    1. Classification.
    2. Symbolism.
    3. Dehumanization.
    4. Organization.
    5. Polarization.
    6. Preparation.
    7. Extermination.
    8. Denial.

    The most basic precondition for genocide is a strong Classification of “us and them”: The Jews/Israeli’s/Zionist’s must be classified, separated and their differences from regular human-beings made crystal clear, judging by ethnicity, race, religion, nationality or any combination of the four. Genocide Watch

    Along with classification comes Symbolism, and what is more symbolic today for human misery than ‘the suffering of the Philistines’ or the ‘Apartheid’ way Israel seems to treat them? The Star of David, the Flag of Israel, and the name “Zionists” have all been made synonyms with the symbols of the beast, burned by mobs, stepped on in marches, all based on decades of propaganda where most of the time inverting cause and effect and offender + defender. (Cause and Effect Mini Lesson by Diana Dell, Ed.S. , Amazon.com: Psychological Warfare in the Intifada: Israeli And Palestinian Media Politics And Military Strategies (9781845191344): Ron Schleifer: Books Tiny example of Symbolism in the Iranian TV: “Iranian Police Seize Drugs and Arrange them in the Form of a Star of David” - MEMRI: Iranian Police Seize Drugs and Arrange them in the Form of a Star of David)

    After symbolism comes Dehumanization with the objective of overcoming the normal human revulsion against murder. At this stage, hate propaganda in the Media is used to vilify the victim group. It’s when people become things, the logic follows, they become dispensable - and any atrocity can be justified. In war, the enemy is generally demonized, with ethnic slurs being used to dehumanize them to the point where killing them becomes morally acceptable. On the “Iranian Defense Forum” for example, the amply put “Zio-Demons” is pretty much self explanatory. A common theme in dehumanization is that of scapegoating, where dehumanizing the target provides a release from guilt for the person that scapegoats them, who typically begins to see themselves as a victim of the dehumanized person, rather than as a potential oppressor. (Dehumanization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

    An amazing work on the subject, the best I’ve seen to date is by a scholar of the Middle East in Stanford University: ‘What Iranian leaders really say about doing away with Israel - a refutation of the campaign to excuse Ahmadinejad’s incitement to genocide’, by Dr. Joshua Teitelbaum
    What Iranian leaders really say about doing away with Israel - CDDRL (Free full text in PDF format)
    A paragraph from the file:
    “Michael Axworthy, who served as the Head of the Iran Section of Britain’s Foreign and Commonwealth Office, notes that when the slogan “Israel must be wiped off the map” appeared “draped over missiles in military parades, that meaning was pretty clear. (The PDF also contains pictures and side by side translation from Persian)”
    Strong emphasis should be added to the fact that the scholar quoted no less than 8 high ranking officials of the Iranian government while explaining who they are and what their function is in the government.

    Further short-research I did on the internet in their own words:
    Ahmadinejad on Video: "If [The Zionists] Themselves Do Not Wrap Up Zionism... The Peoples Will Wipe These Germs of Corruption Off the Face of the Earth" (MEMRI: Special Dispatch - No. 2068)
    And the Video: MEMRI: Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: The Countdown for the Decline of America's Demonic Power Has Begun. Zionist Germ of Corruption Will Be Wiped off
    And another Video: “They have created a filthy black germ, known as the Zionist regime, in order to set it loose on the peoples of the region, like a wild beast (MEMRI: Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Warns Countries against Supporting Sanctions and Declares: Israel Is a "Filthy Black Germ" , Clip Transcript)
    And: “Israel Is a 'Dead Fish' and a 'Stinking Corpse'” (MEMRI: Latest News)
    And: “Zionist regime - a dirty microbe” (Ahmadinejad: Zionist regime - a dirty microbe - Israel News, Ynetnews)
    And from Khamenei: "Commitment to Islamic principles, struggle against cruelty and arrogance, defense of oppressed nations - in particular the Palestinians - and enmity toward the Zionist octopus are among the mottos of the Iranian people." (File:OctopusNAS1.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia , A German cartoon circa 1938 depicts Churchill as a Jewish octopus encircling the globe, from - Antisemitism around the world - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
    And Mohammad-Reza Ja'afari, commander of the ‘Seekers of Martyrdom Command’: "…Not only has the complicity of the superpowers strengthened this cancerous tumor in the heart of the Islamic Middle-East, but also the silence of the Muslim Arab nations and the reactionary rulers of the region, has encouraged its aggressions and increased penetration... Moreover, it should be strongly emphasized that as long as the root of this deadly, cancerous tumor, Zionism, is not burned and wholly destroyed, peace and tranquility will never prevail in the region."
    (MEMRI: Special Dispatch - No. 98)
    And Iranian Political Analyst Majid Goudarzi: “Jews are Genetically Bloodthirsty and Criminal” (MEMRI: Iranian Political Analyst Majid Goudarzi: Jews are Genetically Bloodthirsty and Criminal)
    Iranian Deputy Foreign Minister Mohammad-Reza Baqeri: “As Long as the Region is Filthy, the Microbe of Israel and the Mictrobe of America Can Easily Multiply” (MEMRI: Iranian Deputy Foreign Minister Mohammad-Reza Baqeri: As Long as the Region is Filthy, the Microbe of Israel and the Mictrobe of America Can Easily Multiply; President Ahmadinejad's Remarks about the Holocaust - a Ploy to Foil Palestinian)
    And Iranian VP Esfandyar Rahim Mashai Video: “Israel's Existence Does Not Serve the Interests of Humanity” (MEMRI: Iranian VP Esfandyar Rahim Mashai: Israel's Existence Does Not Serve the Interests of Humanity)


    Professor Gregory H. Stanton who is a world renowned expert on Genocide, explains that after classification, symbolization and dehumanization comes Organization as “Genocide is always organized, usually by the state often using militias to provide deniability of state responsibility”, which kind of reminded me of the picture of the banner over a Basij (Basij - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) headquarters reading: “Israel should be wiped out of the face of the world.” (What Iranian leaders really say about doing away with Israel - CDDRL).

    An extremely important step on the hellish road to Genocide is ‘Polarization’ - which means muting by any means possible all ‘in-house’ opposition, aka ‘traitors’ or ‘collaborators’ or ‘spies’. This polarization effect is caused by the natural friction such an extreme act as murder or genocide causes anyone who wasn’t ‘exposed enough’ to hate propaganda or a person who naturally supports moderation or liberty. As the abysmal status of human rights and all forms of liberty in Iran are well known, I’ll go on to the next point: Preparation.

    Since ‘Zionists’ live far away from Iran under their own rule, this step called Preparation can only be carried out through remote means: supporting by any and all means possible terrorist groups with the idea and hope that they manage to conquer the enemy, as well as fostering relations with other like-minded tyrannical regime, (aka Syria), building a missile array and bragging about its numbers and distance calumniating of course in the nuclear issue.

    The only reason the Extermination stage isn’t apparent as the Holocaust is to all Western Powers, is because the Jews have built themselves a state of their own with the most powerful military in the Middle East to protect them against this exact eventuality. Even so, as the last 2 wars Israel fought have proven beyond a doubt, given the means and opportunity, Israel’s enemies would not hesitate for a second from “exterminating” all the Jews in Israel: men, women, girls, boys, elderly - all of us. The killers regard this as “extermination” and not war or simple killing because they do not believe their victims to be fully human. Their tactics and their actions speak much louder than any rhetoric.

    Throughout all Denial is key: denial before, denial during and denial after means success or failure of the entire enterprise since no human being in his right mind will ever approve of Genocide, unless they are purposely made unaware, misled, kept in the dark or brainwashed.

    The important thing to remember about the 8 stages of Genocide is that they don’t necessarily appear in order, but they all appear well before actual genocide is carried out.

    The Iranian regime was busy hating Israel since its inception - a long time indeed. During that time they came to believe in the holy crusade of holocaust denying - which is in fact their corner stone on their way to this new Genocide, and also explains their apparent obsession with the Holocaust. I learned this point best from Colonel Yigal Carmon, president and founder of the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) in his article: “The Role of Holocaust Denial in the Ideology and Strategy of The Iranian Regime”. (MEMRI: Inquiry and Analysis - No. 307)

    Colonel Yigal explains that the Iranian-Mullocracy strategy is to first deny Israel’s right to ever be created, let alone continue to exist, (using the same tactic of inverting cause and effect) claiming that the Jews have either invented the whole thing called “Holocaust” (“holohoax”) just to steal the lands of honest Muslims and to perpetrate a “real” Holocaust (“al Nakba”) on them - one that drags on until today, or worst yet, they attempt to lay blame on the Jews for actually carrying out (a smaller version of) a “Holocaust” themselves, inflating the numbers and exaggerating the horrors, in the aim of swindling the world into sympathizing with them and letting them do with the holy land as they see fit, while gaining Western trust, money, technology and great cooperation through trickery.

    By removing the memory of the Holocaust from human consciousness, the Mullocracy are trying to negate the natural sympathy any human being might feel for Jews who suffered the horrors of the Holocaust, claiming loudly that because of Western guilt over the Holocaust, the Western powers stole Muslim holy lands and colonialized them with the retched Jews. Indeed, they know very well that as long as the world remembers the Holocaust it will resist any new attempt of a ‘nuclear reenactment’. Colonel Yigal than devoted the rest of the article explaining in his own way the ‘8 stages to Genocide’, paying specific attention to Demonization and Dehumanization, citing directly from those Iranians who are in positions of power - firmly connecting Iran with Genocide.

    When one watches the Iranian channels on MemriTV.org, one sees this pattern followed closely on all channels. A tiny sample out of a sea of samples: “New Iranian Holocaust Cartoon Book” (September 26, 2008)
    MEMRI: New Iranian Holocaust Cartoon Book
    "...The way they managed to link Palestine to the "genocide" of the Jewish people in Europe constitutes, in our opinion, dark satire ...The Holocaust is a pretext of the Zionists to occupy the land of the oppressed, fighting people of Palestine”...


    To sum up, it takes just 3 parts to accomplish this new "Final Solution" plan:
    1. Deny the holocaust
    2. Which denies Israel the right to exist
    3. Which helps the doomed fake construct of Western imperialism to just “disappear”... puff. Like magic.
    :)

    The End.
    Long Live Zion. :)
     
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  3. K Factor

    K Factor A Concerned Indian Senior Member

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    Alon, thanks for an insightful thread. However, I wanted to ask you one thing about the "Mullocracy" of Iran.

    To whom are these Holocaust denying speeches by Ahmednijad directed at? Is it towards the Iranian population, or the ME muslim population or the entire world? Also, if it is directed at the Iranian populace, what do you think is the general reaction/belief to these speeches
    Also, is the holocaust denied/not covered in the school history text-books as well, or its just these rhetorical speeches?
     
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    Alon - The holocaust is history. Almost the entire world in general accepts that it happened and was a great tragedy except for some crazy fanatic Islamicsts.

    But what bothers me is that that many Israeli writers, intellectuals, and common folk seem to use the Holocaust as an excuse for their de-humanizing occupation of the Palestinians.

    Its almost as though many Jews feel like " We were screwed by the Germans, so now we are going to screw the Palestinians". You need to remember that there wasnt a single Palestinian involved in the Holocaust.

    I am no Israel hater, and I like the fact that Israel and India are gettng closer.

    But there is no denying that if Israel continues building on the settlements until there is no possibility of a viable Palestinian State, then Israel would have become another apartheid country with an occupied underclass. The Iranians are just a side-show. Until there is a palestinian state - there will be no peace for Israel.

    No amount of Israeli PR or propaganda can change that !!
     
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    F-14 Global Defence Moderator Senior Member

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    mattster the Palstinens are at fault here not israle they lost every viable chance they ever had to make a state no one was complaing about occupation when His Majesty King abdullha's Jordan and abdel nassars egypt occupied the West bank and gaza strip respectively or when the Kingdom Of Jordan unilatrially annexed Jurslame

    Please Read UN Resalution 181 Dated November 29, 1947 attached below for your kind reference

    UN General Assembly Resolution 181: Palestine Partition Plan of 1947
     
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    You'd be surprised.. The number of deniers and so called 'revisionists' are alarming for an event so near in chronology

    I havent witnessed this at all..

    On the contrary, the 'de-humanizing occupation of palestinians' is constantly and consistenly attributed to security needs for the state of Israel more then anything else..

    Again, i havent witnessed this behavior at all from Israeli's or Jews.. I have seen this type of pre-emptive accusation from some though.

    As for your second comment, research Mohammad Amin al-Husayni

    Agree'd for the most part, and i think that in general most Israeli's want to see an end to the occupation.. The problem is not the end result; 2 state solution seems to be the pro-dominant idea.. The problem is rather with which route we take to get there.. And lets be honest for a moment, Gush Katif is fresh in the minds of many and the current goldstone report makes matters even worse.
     
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    I think schools hear in britian do a great job in educating kids about the causes of world war 2 and the consequnces of them.in fact i am helping my daughter now with her school home work,about world war 2.
    Its only through education you can stop the far right, having said that 1 million people hear in britian voted for the bnp in our local elections.
    For those who dont know,the bnp would like to re-patriate all non whites to the country of there origin,thats 1 million people of indian descent back to india. And only white people can join the bnp.
    SO THE FIGHT GOES ON.....
     
  8. alon9

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    You are most welcome.

    As said, it’s not just speeches but it’s all over their media: TV, Radio, Newspapers, books and “conferences" while anti-semitism goes unchecked and unopposed all over the middle-eastern Arab countries.

    The denying is directed first and foremost at the Iranian populace, to serve as a rallying call and to deflect any internal criticism any good Iranian might have against this insanity over towards the “Zionists” instead. This tactic is used well by all Arab countries, the difference being that no Arab country is both as evil as the Mullocracy nor do they develop the only means capable of carrying out such threats.

    Here are three quotes from Joseph Goebbels, the German politician and Reichsminister of Propaganda in Nazi Germany:

    “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” ~Joseph Goebbels

    “The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over.” ~Joseph Goebbels

    “It is not propaganda’s task to be intelligent, its task is to lead to success.” ~Joseph Goebbels

    Notice that no one has accused the Mullocracy of being stupid. What we accuse them of is being evil, and evil minds think alike. (or they simply copy the methods that “worked best”.

    They teach their children hatred. The school history text-books are filled with it as well, of course, else no speech such as that will ever “fly”. Judging just by the school history text-books of the Philistines next door I can tell you exactly what they are being taught, day in and day out, with all the proof needed. What we need to understand is the WHY of it.

    ---------- Post added at 04:05 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:39 PM ----------

    Apparently not for the Iranians, else why are they so preoccupied by it?
    I would also like to contest that it isn’t regarded as “history” by the Arabs either. Did you know that the Philistine
    Mahmoud Abbas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia , the PRESIDENT of the Philistines himself has wrote the following dissertation titled: “Relations between Zionism and Nazism”. Do I need say more?

    I beg to differ. From everything that I read, too many Arabs have come to truly believe in the Iranian propaganda, Arabs who are the second most important target for said Mullocracy propaganda. The SAME Arabs who always comprise the majority of the UN. The SAME Arabs who we do not have peace with…

    Ohh, by all means, please try to prove that point if you can.
    I live in Israel and speak the language. I do believe you will have a hard time proving any of it.

    Congratulations: you are now singing in tune with the Mullocratic propaganda. :)
    “almost as though”? not even close.
    Reminders:
    1. We didn’t attack the Arabs living in Israel in 1947. Seven Arab armies + the local populace attacked the nascent Israel.
    2. We didn’t expel the local Arab populace by force - they fled from war as any logical thinking human being would do. On the other hand, 800,000 Jews fled Arab lands to Israel and the west BECAUSE of the 1947 war and the creation of Israel. Apparently, they were not welcome to live there anymore. In other words, they fled anti-Semitism, endless discrimination and death threats.
    3. The Philistines are the world’s most vocal cry-babies. They were used and still are used to further political agenda’s of many an Arab leader, not to mention anyone who feels like achieving a world renown name through Israel-bashing or simply out of hatred.

    I believe you. You sound more like a left-leaning-dove western person than anything else, which says that you are not a bad person just a misguided one. :) (only my opinion, of course).

    There is a strong denying of that.
    We can build and we will build as much as we like in all those area’s which we will never ‘turn over’ like all the major settlement blocks.
    We don’t and we won’t confiscate any new lands to built, but to deny a father from buying and building his son’s home INSIDE the mentioned areas, what one would call “building for natural growth”, that’s just not gonna fly.

    Think the last Lebanon war.
    Think about all the missile those “side-show” people have equipped a world renown terror organization.
    Now think what would happen if that said terror organization get’s a nuclear bomb/nuclear suitcase/dirty-bomb…

    “side-show”? NOT by a long shot!

    Peace is like tango: you need two to dance.
    There is no one on the other side to talk to.
    So we do the next best thing: live side by side with relative calm.
    I say it’s as good as it’s going to get for the foreseeable future and I would like to argue that most Israeli’s think the same.

    We must live this truth why you get only to observe it.
    So let us decide what is best for ourselves in a democratic, human, and trust that we are doing the best any human being can do in the same situation to achieve a lasting peace with an intractable enemy.

    Long Live Zion.
    :)
     
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    Apparently not for the Iranians, else why are they so preoccupied by it?
    I would also like to contest that it isn’t regarded as “history” by the Arabs either. Did you know that the Philistine
    Mahmoud Abbas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia , the PRESIDENT of the Philistines himself has written the following dissertation titled: “Relations between Zionism and Nazism”. Do I need say more?

    I beg to differ. From everything that I read, too many Arabs have come to truly believe in the Iranian propaganda, Arabs who are the second most important target for said Mullocracy propaganda. The SAME Arabs who always comprise the majority of the UN. The SAME Arabs who we do not have peace with…

    Ohh, by all means, please try to prove that point if you can.
    I live in Israel and speak the language. I do believe you will have a hard time proving any of it.

    Congratulations: you are now singing in tune with the Mullocratic propaganda. :)
    “almost as though”? not even close.
    Reminders:
    1. We didn’t attack the Arabs living in Israel in 1947. Seven Arab armies + the local populace attacked the nascent Israel.
    2. We didn’t expel the local Arab populace by force - they fled from war as any logical thinking human being would do. On the other hand, 800,000 Jews fled Arab lands to Israel and the west BECAUSE of the 1947 war and the creation of Israel. Apparently, they were not welcome to live there anymore. In other words, they fled anti-Semitism, endless discrimination and death threats.
    3. The Philistines are the world’s most vocal cry-babies. They were used and still are used to further political agenda’s of many an Arab leader, not to mention anyone who feels like achieving a world renown name through Israel-bashing or simply out of hatred.

    I believe you. You sound more like a left-leaning-dove western person than anything else, which says that you are not a bad person just a misguided one. :) (only my opinion, of course).

    There is a strong denying of that.
    We can build and we will build as much as we like in all those area’s which we will never ‘turn over’ like all the major settlement blocks.
    We don’t and we won’t confiscate any new lands to built, but to deny a father from buying and building his son’s home INSIDE the mentioned areas, what one would call “building for natural growth”, that’s just not gonna fly.

    Think the last Lebanon war.
    Think about all the missile those “side-show” people have equipped a world renown terror organization.
    Now think what would happen if that said terror organization get’s a nuclear bomb/nuclear suitcase/dirty-bomb…

    “side-show”? NOT by a long shot!

    Peace is like tango: you need two to dance.
    There is no one on the other side to talk to.
    So we do the next best thing: live side by side with relative calm.
    I say it’s as good as it’s going to get for the foreseeable future and I would like to argue that most Israeli’s think the same.

    While we must live this truth - you get only to observe it.
    So let us decide what is best for ourselves in a democratic, human way, and trust that we are doing the best any human being can do in the same situation to achieve a lasting peace with an intractable enemy.

    Long Live Zion.
    :)
     

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