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Its true that Indians have an elephantine memory but some things are just not worth it.India will eventually take back PoK, we just need to wait for the right moment, i.e. when Pakistan collapses.
Its true that Indians have an elephantine memory but some things are just not worth it.India will eventually take back PoK, we just need to wait for the right moment, i.e. when Pakistan collapses.
But PoK's strategic value makes it worth it. It contains the Karakorum Highway, which forms China's link between Xinjiang and the Indian Ocean, and will also give India direct access to Afghanistan and Central Asia (Wakhan Corridor).Its true that Indians have an elephantine memory but some things are just not worth it.
But PoK's strategic value makes it worth it. It contains the Karakorum Highway, which forms China's link between Xinjiang and the Indian Ocean, and will also give India direct access to Afghanistan and Central Asia (Wakhan Corridor).
At that time PA was arming Nukes across LOC over POK..Golden lost opportunity to retake back POK. At that point of time , pakistanis themselves questioned loc feasibility. Not retaking POK is cowardly act from then GOI.
Not necessarily..Army does not want to get into PoK unless you are ready to sacrifice thousands of soldiers to takle back PoK.
In that scene siachen is worthless..Its true that Indians have an elephantine memory but some things are just not worth it.
X2..It is, but it cannot be taken militarily but at the table, most probably after the next war (Inshallah) in which our use of cold start has given us good bargaining power.
Comparing an uninhabited Glacier to an 85,000 sq Km populated landmass bothering China, Afghanistan, Tribal Areas and Pakistani Punjab ? Sorry sir but thats like comparing Apples to Kurt Vonnegut.In that scene siachen is worthless..
Here Apples to Kurt Vonnegut serve the same needs, though Its better to have apple rather maintaining that treacherous Kurt Vonnegut..Comparing an uninhabited Glacier to an 85,000 sq Km populated landmass bothering China, Afghanistan, Tribal Areas and Pakistani Punjab ? Sorry sir but thats like comparing Apples to Kurt Vonnegut.
From what I understand, you are saying that there are only 4 reasons to free PoK from clutches of Pakistan. I could give you a dozen more reasons. So in that I agree obtaining PoK would be cool.
However, you need to understand,we are scarcely able to keep hold of J&K. Freeing PoK is not even an option at this point in time. We have to contend with a hostile population(detestable mirpuris), hundreds of thousands of enemy troops and jihadis, unforgiving terrain, absolutely no supply chain etc.
Having fantasies is good, but being practical is better.
PS:Similarly there are more than 4 reasons for India to occupy tracts of CoK/SriLanka/Diego GarciaTibet/Turkestan/Afghanistan/Tajikistan/Burma etc...
I think we are having a problem understanding each other's position.So call fantasy is not according to IA, IA have plans to capture key installation in POK and always improving modifying as per thread..
Where you got that info abt we scarly able to hold J&K? also abt supply chain ?, its all false information..
We are fighting since independence there the harsh terrain is our friend we rule those terrain, and tangos born in POK..
Those 4 points are basic..
Yes, that is what i meant..I think we are having a problem understanding each other's position.
What I am saying is that for IA to solely focus on capturing PoK unilaterally a la Op Gibraltar that Pak tried would be futile.
From my understanding what you are saying is that IA is capable of seizing key strategic points in case of a war, and has plans for the same. This I agree with.
Capturing POK is not as easy as is made out in various threads and in various forums.
If it were so simple then we should have been able to capture POK in the four wars we have had with Pakistan.
One may peruse the accounts of the various battles right from the first war.
Suffice it to say that the area is underdeveloped and without communications (roads) pursuing a battle is very arduous, time consuming and requires a huge amount of reserves in all facets.
India does not get the time necessary to pursue the aim since powers that be intervenes and also, the Indian economy cannot sustain such a huge campaign without serious adverse effects. Of course, Pakistan would have collapsed in all aspects before India is in a tight corner economically, but then the powers that be do not want Pakistan to collapse since it is in their interest to keep India in check. This ensures that the wars are fought in very limited and tight timeframe where achievements as desired becomes difficult.
The Pakistani fiasco in Kargil, where they achieved strategic and tactical surprise, is a pointer towards this end.
I believe you have answered the question yourself. The reason we have not made a move towards capturing PoK is far more complex. It's a logistical nightmare to hold on to the captured territory and once we come close to the Karakoram highway, China will intervene with all they've got. There's no USSR to have them looking over their shoulders. Plus, Pakis being the rabid dogs they are will launch nukes even before our tanks roll into Skardu. How I wish we could have reinforced the division defendong Skardu in 1948, we would have severed any links between Pakis and their overlords.Capturing POK is not as easy as is made out in various threads and in various forums.
If it were so simple then we should have been able to capture POK in the four wars we have had with Pakistan.
One may peruse the accounts of the various battles right from the first war.
Suffice it to say that the area is underdeveloped and without communications (roads) pursuing a battle is very arduous, time consuming and requires a huge amount of reserves in all facets.
India does not get the time necessary to pursue the aim since powers that be intervenes and also, the Indian economy cannot sustain such a huge campaign without serious adverse effects. Of course, Pakistan would have collapsed in all aspects before India is in a tight corner economically, but then the powers that be do not want Pakistan to collapse since it is in their interest to keep India in check. This ensures that the wars are fought in very limited and tight timeframe where achievements as desired becomes difficult.
The Pakistani fiasco in Kargil, where they achieved strategic and tactical surprise, is a pointer towards this end.
In the mountains and HAA, logistics and arty sp are the nightmare.I believe you have answered the question yourself. The reason we have not made a move towards capturing PoK is far more complex. It's a logistical nightmare to hold on to the captured territory and once we come close to the Karakoram highway, China will intervene with all they've got. There's no USSR to have them looking over their shoulders. Plus, Pakis being the rabid dogs they are will launch nukes even before our tanks roll into Skardu. How I wish we could have reinforced the division defendong Skardu in 1948, we would have severed any links between Pakis and their overlords.
When the oppurtunity presented itself, we HAVE made gains. We firmly made Siachen a part of our territory and neither the Pakis nor Chinese can do much about it. We gained a foothold into Baltistan by capturing Turtuk in 1971. We had to return Haji Pir on 1965 and had we held on, logistics would have been much simplified.