The joke is on us

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  1. Ray

    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    Are we, as Indians, losing our sense of humour?

    Are we, as Indians, losing whatever little tolerance we had?

    If so, why?

    Is it because the political class has used the intolerance for their votes, wherein we have merely without realising been sensitised?
     
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    Is there a difference because of the cultural value difference between the US and us?
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    This is what my classmate, who writes the Jugular Vein has to say!
     
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    'Indians do like jokes about themselves'

    Among the most enduring images of India is one of a family off our rid-ing on a scooter. Ian Coppinger actually saw this ona Mumbai street, and couldnt believe it. I love this family, the comedian cried into the mike. Only the man of the family wears a crash helmet. It says alot about how much he loves his family! Currently performing at the Comedy Store in Lower Parel,the Irish man tells Sharmila Ganesan-Ram that Indians have a great ability to laugh at themselves. Excerpts:



    What was it like performing in India for the first time?

    I didn't know what to expect. I was worried if they would get the references in some of my jokes because of the cultural differences. So I decided to talk about my experiences in India - things like how there are loads of people on a bus. They are used to seeing these sights but I think I reminded them of it which they found funny. I usually play with the room and do a lot of impromptu stuff. Last night, for instance, there was a psychology student in the audience. So when a man kept giving strange answers to my questions, I suggested that he consult the former as a patient.

    Have you ever had to censor or think twice before cracking a joke here?

    I have not had to censor my jokes here. In the Middle East, I was told not to do any religion jokes and I can understand and respect that as I am a guest in that country. I don't do any jokes about religion anyway. The only reason I may have struck off some of my jokes here is the concern that the experience may be too local. For instance, in Ireland, you don't get a free plastic bag at the store. You are charged for it. However, here or even in the UK, I can't do a joke about that as people won't get it.

    Can Indians laugh at themselves?

    Absolutely. They have an amazing sense of humour and they like jokes about themselves. I've seen that they also like dirty jokes and certainly know when a joke is about to go down that road.

    Do they heckle you at times?

    Indians love to talk but they are too polite to heckle, which is good for us.

    Can you share some of your India jokes?

    The population of Ireland is four-anda-half million which is the average contents of a Mumbai bus. Also, I find it strange that in the monsoon, people walk around in water that's upto their knees but are still holding their umbrellas .

    'Indians do like jokes about themselves' - The Times of India
     
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    Non-resident ire

    Who's been complaining about Jeremy Clarkson's car with a commode ? Not the millions at home who might consider portable toilets a luxury. The Indians who are really angry are the kind that Karan Johar likes to insert national symbols in his movies for - the NRIs.

    Clarkson and Jay Leno are only among a slew of instances that have roused desi outrage. Last year, journalist Joel Stein had to apologize for his piece in Time magazine on the Indian influx in New Jersey. Designer Manish Arora's decision to use Shiva images on leggings and harem pants attracted NRI ire too. So did the PlayStation 2 game 'Hanuman: Boy Warrior' , which offended Hindus in New Zealand, one of whom was quoted as saying, "It makes me angry when I see my friends play a game where they can control the god's every movement with a joystick."

    What makes NRIs so touchy about issues concerning their homeland? "They are stuck in a time warp," says Lavrenti Lopes, an Indian actor-model in Hollywood. "When they moved to their new countries they found the value system alien. So they lived in isolation, holding on to the values they came with, values that no longer exist even in India."

    A lot of NRIs are stuck in an India that does not exist anymore, agrees Vidur Kapur, an Indian-American stand-up comedian. Kapur, who moved to the US 12 years ago, says NRIs even have a tough time reacting to his India jokes. A reference to bride burning, where his grandmother says, "I'll find you Indian girl. What's the harm? If you don't like her, I'll set her on fire!" does very well in India, whereas a lot of NRIs get offended because they don't want to see the country criticized in any way or to acknowledge that such things still happen. "I think the fact that they live away from the homeland makes it more important for them to prove that they have an identity in the homeland," he says.

    Also, the fact that most desis, including USbased author Arnab Ray, have had to face questions such as "Do you people really burn widows ?", "Do you guys sacrifice humans?" and "Do you have modern plumbing in India?" does not help. "While some of this stems from genuine ignorance, many times they are expressions of barely concealed cultural and racial superiority passed off as humour," says Ray.

    As a result, they end up spending a lot of time correcting negative stereotypes about India created by foreign media. "Many such misconceptions also result in NRIs being mistreated by host communities. So the issue isn't just about being offended. There's a social issue: it widens the cultural gap between the host and immigrant communities," says V Gangan, managing editor of The Global Indian magazine.

    This explains why immigrant children are especially sensitive about movies like Slumdog Millionaire, which Ray says are filled with formulaic bits of "exotica" and "so-happy-amidstthe-squalor images". "In school, some of these kids are subjected to merciless ribbing about their 'unclean origins'. Many end up developing a hatred for India and their parents."

    The diaspora's furore over hate crimes and racial profiling is understandable, says Indian-American Ash Chandler. But the stand-up comic dismisses the hullabaloo over Clarkson's show as unnecessary. Chandler feels Indians should stop clinging to "national symbols that are no longer relevant" and spending time and money on lawyers. Instead, he recommends a cheaper solution. "Switch the TV off."


    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...ort/Non-resident-ire/articleshow/11670267.cms
     
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    What have you to say?
     
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    Godless-Kafir DFI Buddha Senior Member

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    For all the garbage thrown at us right from the Chinese to the Western media all picking on us as a soft target, we hardly react as needed. I often found response very lagging and we hardly have garnered our soft power to throw any real tantrum.
     
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    Ray sir as an NRI Ihave experinced many of the Jibes my self from pakistanis to english who still tell that India is a rope chamers paradise but the one thing that i fell ashamed is the Neo NRI's tendncy to bad mouth his or her motherland i have ran in to their kind many a times it is considered fashionable to critize india for even their onw personal downfall . we are the only people who downgrade our onw motherland when we are outside her borders and then wash it all of with a curt " we are only telling this as a construtive critisism" se we are very proud of our nation but some how people in india see us a spolit brats
    thats the only thing sad that i see and as we say to hell with the rest
     
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    Thanks.

    It is an eyeopener for me!

    What class of people of Indian origin are they?

    My folks who are Americans including American born, are quite proud of India and their Indian heritage.
     
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    mostly recently migrated professionals from india most highly learned and fomerly employed in PSU's like HPCL but as you said most of the second genration NRI's like me (i came here when i was 6 months old) are very proud of our roots and try to come back to our motherland a fact that can be seen from the fact that most of our Money is send to India as remmitences rather then sepending it here but still people back home treat us asif we are aliens :rolleyes:
     
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    I presume recent arrivals have to prove that they are more loyal to the King than the Kings to themselves!
     
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    no it is that they some how feel inferior to stand up for their country
     
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    By protesting against the taunts and jokes we are doing the right thing, This is really the moment to protest and show some spunk as the world is quite interested in us and are all ears. We are in a better position to being heard and acknowledged.
     
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    You can find them on this forum too. They best be ignored.
     
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    I know what you mean...these kind exist in India also.
     
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    This is bang the reason. Although I do see some Indians reacting needlessly as well, but even they would ignore these things if the political class and the media would let them.
     
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    Wow you are classmate of jug suraiya Awesome.
     
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    Any one remembers the time all of India had panties in bunch over sheila deep shi! sheila dixit remark by an Australian talk show host.
    i thought the guy was merely trying to earn his bread. the whole thing caused an diplomatic incident which in my view was pretty stupid.
     
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    who says we dont have a sense of humour ?

    didnt we just send Oprah on her way home laughing at us ? ;oP
     
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