The Indus Valley Civilisation (The Masters of the River)

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    Shaitan Zandu balm all day Senior Member

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    Japanese researchers help unravel mystery of the Indus civilization- Nikkei Asian Review

     
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    This part might interest you...

     
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    Clift et al have in their paper shown that Sutlej moved away from Ghaggar-Hakra 8,000 BCE or before and went to Indus.
    At the same time Beas river stopped draining directly to Ghaggar-Hakra at Tilwalla and started dropping quite early into Sutlej who was going to Indus now.

    Before 3,000 BC Ghaggar-Hakra got another jolt when a tributary near Fort Abbas coming from Indus side was lost.
    Sarasvati's health in late Harappan phase has lead to a hot debate between Clift and Valdiya.

    Call it healthy Monsoons or whatever, around 4000 BCE the sea levels in Sindh, Kachha and Saurashtra were way higher (offshoreward). Among other things, this is corroborated also by the existence of port cities that are as far back as 26 kms inland today.
    That is something which even this Japanese study agrees to.

    There is also another paper which states that Ghaggar-Hakra aka Sarasvati was fed by Glacial waters only till terminal Pleistocene. Afterwards it was sustained by strong Monsoons. Although that theory is contested as well.

    I think we cannot and should not perceive a linear gradual pattern of change in sea levels and river health for Indian sub-continent.
    There are waves and there are ups and downs.

    As far as the point of seals being passports is concerned, it is now echoed by Archeologists like Kenoyer as well.

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    Sorry, what is exact date for terminal Pleistocene after which Saraswati became a non-perennial river ?

    IMHO, after this era, the civilization wouldn't have flourished, as much. Or, the inter-societal trade continued to sustain their lifestyles for many centuries ? How important was agricultural in this era & region ? I expect it was lesser important in the region than it was in the Fertile Crescent regions so trade should have somehow sustained them.
     
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    Pleistocene ends roughly at 10,000 BCE.
     
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    So, a large % of populace depended on a seasonal river throughout..!!

    Like, what we have in Maharashtra...either flash floods or dry river-beds. Obviously, agriculture could not have formed their sole means of sustenance. This makes it appear that the civilization could have flourished since much earlier than the dates popularly believed today. Wonder, what would have been there before 12000 YBP.

    It is only obvious that this theory is widely contested.
     
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    Neither the population was so large nor there was just one river, but many instead. Moreover Monsoons were pretty strong in early Holocene.

    Hard for me to tell but yes Acheulean tools are found all over India. Till now it has all been Paleolithic beyond 12000 YBP. Are you praying for an ancient advanced civilization? ;)
     
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    Nice well share some more pics...
     

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