The greatest heist in indian history.... Our very history !!!

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  1. sydsnyper

    sydsnyper Senior Member Senior Member

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    A Very interesting Article at : The Kaipullai's Vetti Thoughts : The outer playground of my inner devil | The greatest Heist in Indian history..How Indian History was changed and we didn’t even notice. Part 1:The lost eon 6th Century B.C to 1174 A.D

    Please read the original article at the link above. Besides some well placed images, there are some interesting comments and discussions at its bottom.

     
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  3. Razor

    Razor CIDs from Tamilnadu Senior Member

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    Our country, like many other (Eastern societies) has been infiltrated by fifth column elements, mostly raised by Western systems.
    Some people will call them socialists, secularists or whatever, but to be noted is that all of them originate and are propagated/fed by the West.

    The infiltration by these elements take on many facets of society from media, to literature (including history), to religious institutions, to educational institutions, to forms of government, to forms of judiciary and so on.

    Essentially infiltration by traitors placed in key positions who copy Western systems and forget and wipe out our history and culture, by convincing people that these Western systems are somehow superior.

    Me too used to think, thanks to the indoctrination in our education system, that everything Western is pure gold. First hand experience told me, truth is far from that. This destruction of history and culture is done not only in India but also in countries in SE Asia, Japan, S. Korea.

    Take for example S. Korea a buddhist country. Due to occupation (American) and heavy infiltration activities now 1 in 3 koreans is a Christian.

    Already users here know of the deceitful means used by Christian organizations to harvest souls, in India. I was recently surprised that these Christian organizations also operate in Japan (a supposedly homogenous country) under various guises.

    One of their key areas is education.
    Essentially capturing education area allows access to young malleable minds. Happens in Japan and certainly happens in India.
    Another area is media, Japan has less than 1% Christian yet recently christian symbolism has started appearing to a greater degree in Japan. Why in a country of less than 1% christians ? Yes, infiltration.

    So in closing, the age old assault of Western/Abrahamic (Christian, Judaic, Islamic) traditions on Eastern traditional systems (Dharmic, East-Asian, Orthodox etc) continues and people don't even realize it. :tsk: :tsk:

    Only way to fight back is to stop being meek and start exposing these elements, one by one.

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    Also regarding the Chozhas and Cheras and pandiyas. Would it be right in saying that these three are among the longest ruling dynasties. I know the medivial chozhas may not be directly related to the early chozhas but they still carry the same name.
    And all three of them ruled from around 4th/5th century BCE (maybe earlier) to around 12th century CE, w/ a few centuries of non-rule in b/w.
    Only contender I can think of is the Imperial Japanese Dynasty (Yamato Dynasty.) They claim to begin at 6th century BCE running up till now (though now they are under American occupation.)
     
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  4. Virendra

    Virendra Moderator Moderator

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    Knowledge is power and ignorance is doom. Half knowledge is even more dangerous.
    To destroy a nation without firing a single bullet, you have to remove their knowledge of own roots and history and if possible suppliment it with what you want to feed.
    If they don't know who they are and what has happened to them, then they can't see what is coming next either.
    Such people either completely become somebody else or get obliterated from the face of this planet.
     
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    What an awesome article.

    Forwarding it to Chindichor historian Ramachandra Guha, and if possible, Romila Thapar.
     
  6. Peter

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    Nice article.

    I would like to say that I did know both about Harshavardhana and Pala empire of Bengal. In fact the Pala empire was one of the largest empires that India had ever seen and was also one of the most well governed ones. The Palas were Buddhists who patronised both Hindu and Buddhist scholars. They also established a society where there was no casteism or jatived. In fact this casteless society was established years before people like Ambedkar,Phule etc advocated equality for the untouchables. Sadly they were overthrown by the Sena dynasty and ultimately by the Muslims. The Palas were from varendra Bhumi of bengal. Varendra Brahmins like Maitra are from this region. In fact I take great pride from the Palas and their origins being a Maitra myself.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varendra
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pala_Empire
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maitra

    As for history being rewritten who can forget the tiny chapter that is devoted to the true father of the Nation,Netaji while the majority of our history books is filled with the deeds of a nonviolent murderer.
     
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    The only important lesson I remember from history is how to memorize the muslim kingdoms.

    Gu Kha tasle mein- gulam khilzi tuglaq lodi mughal in that order.
     
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    Korea was a Confucian country. The Joseon Dynasty was Confucian and suppressed Buddhism . On the other hand the Japanese were staunch Shinto-Buddhists. The reason why I like the Japanese is that they have maintained their ancient Buddhist and Shinto traditions unlike the Koreans.
    Religion in North Korea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Religion in South Korea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    The Japanese wanted to spread Buddhism around the world. However those evil British and other allies stopped their plan.
    IMO Buddhism is actually a part of Hinduism.
     
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    I went through (gliding) the links you provided. And yup, from the 5th century CE to about 15th century Korea seems to be Buddhist. Then it became neo-Confucian and later christian.

    But I feel Buddhist elements can also be felt in the traditions of Korea. For eg. a friend of mine (a muslim) from Southern Thailand, recently mailed me some pictures of a taekwondo camp he went to, in Seoul. He said that each day before the camp, they came to a buddhist temple and prostrated 100 times.

    I would say the Japnaese religion is Shinto with elements of Buddhism added in.
    There was an attempt in Japan also, to suppress buddhism ("Buddhist hunts" after the Meiji Restoration if I'm not mistaken). But the Japanese fused elements of Shinto and buddhism.
    This is the good thing about dharmic and Eastern systems, it is possible (at least theoretically) to find harmonius ways to combine. Such things are not possible in Abrahamics (christianity, islam , judaics.) So for eg. The xtians tried to topple the govt. in Japan (and thankfully were brutally suppressed.) This was called Shimabara rebellion. The xtians also destroyed a good deal of cultural heritage where ever they could, during this rebellion. Similarly in China; Taiping rebellion, wherein christians tried to overthrow govt., and were brutally and rightfully crushed by Qing. Also in Korea, when christian numbers started swelling they started a "movement to defeat the worship of gods" ( Misin tapa undong - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) wherein they destroyed a good deal of cultural heritage of Korea.
    So yeah when possible the christians (just like their brother the jews and muslims) are also capable of terrorist acts.
    But their recent tactic is one of silent war, a stealthy deceptive war. As they say "All warfare is based on deception."
    Of course all is fair in war. But everyone should be aware of these things. Their major target in countries like India, korea, japan are media and education systems.
     
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    Aryan invasion theory was a propaganda invented for British for divide and rule policy and to spread Hinduphobia.
     
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    Sometime back I found this letter of Max Muller which he wrote to his wife in 1867.

    TO HIS WIFE, OXFORD, December 9, 1867.

    “…I feel convinced, though I shall not live to see it, that this edition of mine and the translation of the Veda will hereafter tell to a great extent on the fate of India, and on the growth of millions of souls in that country. It is the root of their religion, and to show them what that root is, I feel sure, the only way of uprooting all that has sprung from it during the last 3,000 years.”
     
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    roma NRI in Europe Senior Member

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    for all their hijacking of history, uprooting of culture and whatever else,
    our boys and girls at university and Masters level
    are outperforming not only the brits but actually virtually all countries
    except perhaps China
    and we are producing more technology PhD's than all of britain and usa together

    so they came they tried to keep us down
    they tried all sorts of tricks , twists and turns

    .....and they failed !,
    royally !
     
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    But @roma ji, the scientific achievements aside, we have all but lost the essence and the pride in our ancient culture. I see kids of today who know a fart about the stories of Ramayana and Mahabharat, well perhaps except for mocking or joking references to our mythologies. They have been led to affirm that their culture starts with the independence movement.... preceded by a lot of invasions by the brits and the middle east barbarians.

    In a generation or two we will lose all the self confidence in our ancient culture and would be no different from the pakis..... looking to the arabs or the west for inspiration and approval.

     
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    There's no doubt that material success has been achieved, but there have been cultural and civilizational setbacks as well.
    It is not unique to India however. It has happened to many other countries.
    Time will tell ...
     
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    Brits did a great blunder by exposing Indians to the English language. :pound::pound:
     
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    BTW I have seen huge number of Bangladeshis trying to demonize the Sena Dynasty and singing praises for Bakhityar Khilji.
     
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    Bakhtiyar Khilji murdered a lot of Bengalis. Those BDs praising him do not know about the terror he unleashed in Bengal.

    As for Sena dynasty there is a great deal of controversy. They were Hindu kings. They started the Kulin protha in Bengal and gave importance to Rarhi Brahmins of Bengal(Mukherji,Chaterjee,Banerjee etc). The caste system became more rigid and many Buddhists were persecuted. Now this indirectly led to their demise. The oppressed Buddhists/low castes started helping the foreign invaders like Khilji.(Of course they did not know how devastating this would turn out to be.)

    One important point to note is that the Sena dynasty is not the last Hindu dynasty of Bengal. They were many periods between the rule of the Nawabs when Hindu dynasties ruled over Bengal. Also one should remember that while the Muslims did have control over Bengal, it was through the zamindars who were mostly Hindu bengalis. The Nawabs tried to convert this zamindars but failed. A famous example would be that of Tagore family. R. Tagore`s family were originally Hindus who were forcibly converted to Muslims and then they reverted back to Hinduism.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulin_Brahmins

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengali_Brahmins
     
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    I read this blog years ago on a different forum...cannot remember where..probably on BR. This guy was pretty young when he wrote this stuff up.
     
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    true, your are absolutely correct , at least i tihink so when you wrote about the kids of today .......
    admittedly , i myself hosted a fair amount of bias against our culture, never about our ability or mental strength
    but rather our cohesiveness as a nation and our management - and it took a few decades till now to really
    get rid of it , so i cant really blame todays kids
    fact is economic and social cohesiveness plays a tremendous role and as a nation we kinda fiailed in that
    area - but still our performane was a wee bit bettr that israels - they completely lost their land -
    but they made a comeback from worse circumstances than ours, so we can too |

    agree ...and it seems to me that we are close to the turning point , where culturally we are getting stronger
    because the economic well -being which supports the culture is also getting stronger.

    heeheh ....yeah but consider the contrarian point of view, that they didnt really make much effort to teach it to us .
    The language was available, and it was we who clamped on to it with our intellectual force ,
    rather than they - i dont think they went out of their way to teach it to us
    i think it was we who went out of our way to master the language , which after all is taken from ours ?
    so there already was an in-built ability in us to be pretty good at it ?
     
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    I believe you have heard of Orientalists and Anglicists debates in early 1800s. Orientalists were in favour of education in Indian languages and Anglicists in favour of English and finally Lord Macaulay's wish prevailed, his initial plan was creating a breed of self hating brown Indians through Western education but his western education did something else. But anyway, the present world dominance of English language is not because of Brits but Americans. I heard few decades back there was obsession in Europe to learn French as a second language but they have slowly shifted towards English.
     
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    Palas were the last great patron of Buddhism in India. Buddhist persecution by Hindu kings part looks rather fishy to me. I have heard similar stories about Guptas, provided the Gupta emperors themselves funded the foundation of Nalanda University. Leftist generally tries to portray Buddhism as a some social movement against Hinduism, reading about lifetime or teaching about Buddha, you will never get a glimpse of anti-Hindu thing. Even Buddhism didn't eradicated with the reign of Shunga dynasty but flourished until the invasion of Bakhtiyar Khilji.
     

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