The great game: Myanmar bombed China

[amoy]

Excellent write up. What about Tibet?

though u're being off topic I'm still to address your curiousity upfront - the trump card Indians think they hold - an medieval theocracy in Dharamsala, is on the wane. as time goes by his "holiness" will have to "reincarnate" then we'll just sit tight and watch the catfight.

GoI shall grant Tibetans in exile citizenship after generations (or probably a Buddhist kingdom for them inside India as well), or see them off to the greener pasture i.e. the West. It's all your business then.

Do u have anything related to the Myanmar game?

 

[brational]

though u're being off topic I'm still to address your curiousity upfront - the trump card Indians think they hold - an medieval theocracy in Dharamsala, is on the wane. as time goes by his "holiness" will have to "reincarnate" then we'll just sit tight and watch the catfight.

GoI shall grant Tibetans in exile citizenship after generations (or probably a Buddhist kingdom for them inside India as well), or see them off to the greener pasture i.e. the West. It's all your business then.

Do u have anything related to the Myanmar game?

Got your upfront response and its now clear that China can do whatever to her minorities and it must be regarded as an internal matter of China, on the other hand Myanmar's actions against her minorities will not be regarded as Myanmar's internal matter.

One more thing, drag issues for generations untill they fall in the place which is favourable to China, if not use forces to convert the opinions. LoL

 

[sorcerer]

Despite China's Warnings, Cross-Border Strikes From Myanmar Continue

As Myanmar's armed forces continue their assault on the ethnic Kokang Myanmar National Democratic Alliance Army (MNDAA), damage continues to spill across the border into southwestern Yunnan province in China. As The Diplomat recently noted, a bomb dropped by a Myanmar Air Force MiG-29 landed in a sugarcane field in Yunnan, killing five Chinese. The incident led to sharp criticism from senior Chinese officials, and Myanmar indicated that it would investigate the incident and prevent its recurrence. Still, despite these assurances, there are reports of continued forays across the border by Myanmar forces. China, for its part, has deployed People's Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) jets to monitor the air space and repel any incursions by Myanmar forces.

Still, despite this incident and the ensuing rhetoric, the fighting continues to spill over the increasingly porous Myanmar-China border. Radio Free Asia reports that Yunnan authorities are investigating "a group of unexploded bombs that fell on the mountainous and rugged border with Myanmar." According to the report, which was based off eyewitness reports, the bombs dropped at "around 4.00 p.m. local time outside Mengdui township near Yunnan's Lincang city" on Saturday. The continued cross-border incursions will likely intensify the frustration of the Chinese government which has already issued several stern warnings to Myanmar.

The highest profile Chinese warnings to the government of Myanmar came courtesy of Premier Li Keqiang. Li noted that Chinese citizens had "suffered loss of life and property," as a result of Myanmarese actions, and that China has "the responsibility and the capacity to firmly safeguard the security and stability of the Chinese-Myanmar frontier." Li's comments came after General Fan Changlong, vice chairman of China's Central Military Commission (CMC), told the commander-in-chief of Myanmar's armed forces that the "Chinese military will take resolute measures to protect the safety of Chinese people and their assets."

Echoing General Fan's comments, Colonel Geng Yansheng noted that "If there is another incident of a Myanmar military plane overflying the border or other serious acts that endanger Chinese territorial sovereignty and national security, the Chinese military will respond by taking decisive measures." He also highlighted the increased Chinese military presence along the border.

The diplomatic subtext is intensified by accusations from the Myanmar side that the Chinese government is covertly provided material and intelligence support to the Kokang rebels. Recently, as part of Xi Jinping's intensified anti-corruption campaign in the Chinese military, a PLA general was sacked amid accusations that he leaked state secrets to the rebels in Myanmar — his dismissal was a signal that while rogue elements may exist within the PLA and the Yunnan government that sympathize with the cause of the ethnic Chinese Kokang rebels, the top leadership of the CCP will not sponsor cross-border interference.

For the Chinese government, the brewing crisis at the Myanmar border will be a sharp reminder of how nationalism can often be a double-edged sword for the legitimacy of the party. When times are good, nationalism imbues and emboldens the senior leadership. However, with the loss of Chinese lives at the hands of a foreign military, an upsurge in nationalist impulses could force Xi Jinping's hand to respond with a heavier hand than he might if left to his own devices (I had the pleasure of discussing this issue in more detail with Shannon Tiezzi on our most recent podcast here at The Diplomat).

The PLA is currently building up forces and taking preventative precautions in Yunnan. According to the Washington Free Beacon, PLAAF J-7 supersonic fighters are based at civilian airports, which have been closed amid the fighting.

Despite China’s Warnings, Cross-Border Strikes From Myanmar Continue | The Diplomat

 

[no smoking]

Got your upfront response and its now clear that China can do whatever to her minorities and it must be regarded as an internal matter of China. on the other hand Myanmar's actions against her minorities will not be regarded as Myanmar's internal matter.

Well, when Myanmar's shells hitting Chinese people and Chinese land, it is an internal problem no more.

One more thing, drag issues for generations untill they fall in the place which is favourable to China, if not use forces to convert the opinions. LoL

Well, since his "holiness" was the first one trying to use force to convert other's opinion, certainly he can't complain others doing the same thing to convert his and his followers' opinion, right?

 

[Sameet Pattnaik]

though u're being off topic I'm still to address your curiousity upfront - the trump card Indians think they hold - an medieval theocracy in Dharamsala, is on the wane. as time goes by his "holiness" will have to "reincarnate" then we'll just sit tight and watch the catfight.

GoI shall grant Tibetans in exile citizenship after generations (or probably a Buddhist kingdom for them inside India as well), or see them off to the greener pasture i.e. the West. It's all your business then.

Do u have anything related to the Myanmar game?

insult them By calling them medieval theocracy ?? Iran is a theocracy state you got no objection there ! there was war crimes done on tibetians so they came to india ! they high earning community in India given basic freedom just ! till I believe china can just relaxe conditions on tibetians on exile and give some elections rights to them like any democratic state ! then there is no stoping you ! Authoritarian regime falls but democratic regime strive !

 

[Ray]

All these problems in the Kokang region of Myanmar is a clever ploy of the Chinese Govt to keep the 'case' or 'issue' alive for posterity to stake a claim to the territory when the opportune moment arises.

And they, the Chinese, have their style of 'history' to back them up, the same way they claim Tibet is a part of China.

The Kokang area has a majority of Han Chinese, many of them have spread their wing right up to Mandalay.

The Yang clan, originally Ming loyalists from Nanjing, consolidated the area into a single polity. In 1840, the Yunnan governor granted the Yang clan the hereditary rights as a vassal of the Qing dynasty. After the conquest of Burma by the British, Kokang was initially placed in China under the 1894 Sino-British boundary convention. It was ceded to British Burma in a supplementary agreement signed in February 1897.

The Chinese Govt will cleverly forget that they cede the area to British Burma, whose legatee is the Govt of Independent Myanmar.

So, should an anti China govt come to power in Myanmar, then China will raise the bogey that Kokang was a part of China and conveniently forget that the British captured Burma and the area was ceded to Burma.

But then when anyone raises that fact that it was ceded, China will use their usual whine - unequal treaty.

They conveniently forget that every part of China below the Yangtse Kiang that they captured were taken over by the Han through unequal treaties, as is also the case of Tibet and Xinjiang.

That China plays tricks and pretends otherwise for every assistance they give to insurgents worldwide who create problems for a country is succinctly brought out by the statement below

The diplomatic subtext is intensified by accusations from the Myanmar side that the Chinese government is covertly provided material and intelligence support to the Kokang rebels.

China is a hegemon and to pursue their hegemonic adventure, they plan ahead, becoming friends first and then stabbing in the back and pretending to be innocent.

They are doing so everywhere including in supporting, arming and funding terrorist organisations in India and acting innocent.

insult them By calling them medieval theocracy ?? Iran is a theocracy state you got no objection there ! there was war crimes done on tibetians so they came to india ! they high earning community in India given basic freedom just ! till I believe china can just relaxe conditions on tibetians on exile and give some elections rights to them like any democratic state ! then there is no stoping you ! Authoritarian regime falls but democratic regime strive !

I won't blame the Han for claiming so.

They, the Han, are from a Godless country and totally a Godforsaken lot.

By saying that the Han are a Godforsaken lot, I am not using it as an abuse, but in a practical sense. They don't believe in God so how can they be not forsaken by some Greater Being like God?

To rebut the Han may claim that in China religion is allowed. Religion? Is it religion what is controlled, monitored and dictated by the Communist State? It is like stating there is freedom in a jail. You are allowed to breathe, sleep, eat in a jail, conveniently forgetting that everything is controlled by the Jail authorities including the timings.

 

[brational]

Well, since his "holiness" was the first one trying to use force to convert other's opinion, certainly he can't complain others doing the same thing to convert his and his followers' opinion, right?

No, not right. In Tibet, Dalai Lama is the supreme, CCP can not interfere in the Internal matters of Tibet .Similarly, CCP should not dictate terms with uighurs. You have no right to use your Tanks wherever there is a protest. It is another issue if Chinese prefer to live in denial mode.

 

[t_co]

Got your upfront response and its now clear that China can do whatever to her minorities and it must be regarded as an internal matter of China, on the other hand Myanmar's actions against her minorities will not be regarded as Myanmar's internal matter.

One more thing, drag issues for generations untill they fall in the place which is favourable to China, if not use forces to convert the opinions. LoL

It stopped being Burma's internal matter when the first Burmese bomb fell on the Chinese province of Yunnan.

 

[Ray]

It stopped being Burma's internal matter when the first Burmese bomb fell on the Chinese province of Yunnan.

That is absolutely correct and none can quibble about that.

However, the Myanmar Govt has stated that it is China who was assisting the Kokang Han to rebel against the established Myanmar Govt and I wonder if they are acknowledging if the bomb that fell is of the Myanmar Air Force.

Whatever be the case, China must amicably settle it, or else Myanmar may fall into the welcoming lap of the West and then all the rail, road and pipeline link to Yunnan from Myanmar and the listening post in the Coco Island will vanish like a puff of hot air. And that will be a body blow for China.

It will also upset the plans of China to link China to Bangladesh and even India.

China has more to lose than Myanmar.

China has to sort out this affair carefully and in a mature way so that it does not burn its boats as far as its strategic vision is concerned.

It appears that the Year of the Goat is getting China's goat.

 

[nimo_cn]

All these problems in the Kokang region of Myanmar is a clever ploy of the Chinese Govt to keep the 'case' or 'issue' alive for posterity to stake a claim to the territory when the opportune moment arises.

And they, the Chinese, have their style of 'history' to back them up, the same way they claim Tibet is a part of China.

The Kokang area has a majority of Han Chinese, many of them have spread their wing right up to Mandalay.

The Yang clan, originally Ming loyalists from Nanjing, consolidated the area into a single polity. In 1840, the Yunnan governor granted the Yang clan the hereditary rights as a vassal of the Qing dynasty. After the conquest of Burma by the British, Kokang was initially placed in China under the 1894 Sino-British boundary convention. It was ceded to British Burma in a supplementary agreement signed in February 1897.

The Chinese Govt will cleverly forget that they cede the area to British Burma, whose legatee is the Govt of Independent Myanmar.

So, should an anti China govt come to power in Myanmar, then China will raise the bogey that Kokang was a part of China and conveniently forget that the British captured Burma and the area was ceded to Burma.

But then when anyone raises that fact that it was ceded, China will use their usual whine - unequal treaty.

They conveniently forget that every part of China below the Yangtse Kiang that they captured were taken over by the Han through unequal treaties, as is also the case of Tibet and Xinjiang.

That China plays tricks and pretends otherwise for every assistance they give to insurgents worldwide who create problems for a country is succinctly brought out by the statement below


China is a hegemon and to pursue their hegemonic adventure, they plan ahead, becoming friends first and then stabbing in the back and pretending to be innocent.

They are doing so everywhere including in supporting, arming and funding terrorist organisations in India and acting innocent.

I won't blame the Han for claiming so.

They, the Han, are from a Godless country and totally a Godforsaken lot.

By saying that the Han are a Godforsaken lot, I am not using it as an abuse, but in a practical sense. They don't believe in God so how can they be not forsaken by some Greater Being like God?

To rebut the Han may claim that in China religion is allowed. Religion? Is it religion what is controlled, monitored and dictated by the Communist State? It is like stating there is freedom in a jail. You are allowed to breathe, sleep, eat in a jail, conveniently forgetting that everything is controlled by the Jail authorities including the timings.

forsaken by god or beloved by god, does that even matter in a pragmatic world?

how could god be greater than human after human created god? it's a joke to judge people by what god they believe in, as well as whether they believe in god or not.

But one must wonder how good are the religious indians living? we all know most of them are living like filthy creatures.

many of those who have been to India were appalled by the horrible conditions most indians are living in, they say that India is cursed by god.

But i wont say that, knowing it's an insult to the gods beloved by our indian fellows. I would rather say that it's just the result of natural selection. being the lowest species, Indians are bound to live like animals.

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[Srinivas_K]

forsaken by god or beloved by god, does that even matter in a pragmatic world?

how could god be greater than human after human created god? it's a joke to judge people by what god they believe in, as well as whether they believe in god or not.

But one must wonder how good are the religious indians living? we all know most of them are living like filthy creatures.

many of those who have been to India were appalled by the horrible conditions most indians are living in, they say that India is cursed by god.

But i wont say that, knowing it's an insult to the gods beloved by our indian fellows. I would rather say that it's just the result of natural selection. being the lowest species, Indians are bound to live like animals.

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Yeah God did not listen to the prayers of Indians for almost 1000 years, 1 God day.

May be he slept or did some other work, off late seems God is listening to our prayers.

Filthy creatures are the ones who dine filthy creatures, Chinese.

God knows what you get in China when you order meat !

Yet you are here calling us filthy creatures

China is still a developing country with slums.

 

[t_co]

That is absolutely correct and none can quibble about that.

However, the Myanmar Govt has stated that it is China who was assisting the Kokang Han to rebel against the established Myanmar Govt and I wonder if they are acknowledging if the bomb that fell is of the Myanmar Air Force.

China is not assisting the Kokang Han to rebel. There might be Chinese who are doing so, but not in any official capacity or with any backing from the government.

The Government of China has limited itself to humanitarian assistance along the Chinese side of the border - food, water, medicine, tents, electricity.

Whatever be the case, China must amicably settle it, or else Myanmar may fall into the welcoming lap of the West and then all the rail, road and pipeline link to Yunnan from Myanmar and the listening post in the Coco Island will vanish like a puff of hot air. And that will be a body blow for China.

It will also upset the plans of China to link China to Bangladesh and even India.

China has more to lose than Myanmar.

China has to sort out this affair carefully and in a mature way so that it does not burn its boats as far as its strategic vision is concerned.

Sure - China's got a few goals in Burma, none of which require a military solution to achieve. First and foremost, it wants the Government of Myanmar intact.

It appears that the Year of the Goat is getting China's goat.

So long as one has goals, one will face obstacles...

 

[t_co]

FYI - China has no intention of taking territory from Myanmar. Why argue over tidbits of land when you can win influence over the entire country?

 

[Ray]

forsaken by god or beloved by god, does that even matter in a pragmatic world?

how could god be greater than human after human created god? it's a joke to judge people by what god they believe in, as well as whether they believe in god or not.

But one must wonder how good are the religious indians living? we all know most of them are living like filthy creatures.

many of those who have been to India were appalled by the horrible conditions most indians are living in, they say that India is cursed by god.

But i wont say that, knowing it's an insult to the gods beloved by our indian fellows. I would rather say that it's just the result of natural selection. being the lowest species, Indians are bound to live like animals.

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It matters if one is forsaken by god or beloved by god, does that even matter in a pragmatic world? It adds to the spiritual solace and peace of mind in the hurly burly of leading a life of materialistic greed. Money and cosmetic goods alone cannot bring happiness.

If that were so, then the Chinese would have forsaken their families and lived on their own making merry with their own earnings and not caring for anyone else.

But that is not so in China. That is why you find the huge rush to return to the family during Chinese New Year and other holidays. Thus, there is a need to have something higher than the Self, even in Communist China.

Of course, there could God greater than human even if human created God. The solar system required an explanation as did how life came into being. There being no answer, man realised that there must be a superior cosmic force behind these phenomena. Since man also required identification of the phenomenon, the name 'God' was ascribed. But merely God would not help channelise the awe and so it was given a form in the form of idols, Crucifix, Buddha and so on.

To unify the groups and keep a societal order, rules and regulations of behaviour was laid out. These were called scriptures.

Thus God was the nomenclature given to the superior force that befuddled Man regarding the Creation of the Universe and Life.

It is not that all who follow religion are good. The Self always takes over the ethereal. Indians may live in filth and so do the Chinese and many around the world. It is futile for the Pot to call the Kettle Black except to give a fond delusion to soothe the trouble soul that want to run away from reality that they are filthy too and live under most horrid conditions. I am sure you forget the cramped dormitory of the workers. But then obviously you would.

It is only a lowlife which considers other low to being them up to the standard of being at least low from their current mental affliction of being catergorised as lowlife.

 

[Ray]

FYI - China has no intention of taking territory from Myanmar. Why argue over tidbits of land when you can win influence over the entire country?

The usual pulling wool of China wanting no territory.

Check you history including the current shenanigans.

Myanmar are no fools that China can influence them.

Remember the Myitsone dam issue?

 

[Khagesh]

But i wont say that, knowing it's an insult to the gods beloved by our indian fellows. I would rather say that it's just the result of natural selection. being the lowest species, Indians are bound to live like animals.

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Just the other day another chinese was telling us the turn of the century characterization of China by their neighbours - A pig looking into the mirror. Looks like you are still pissed off at the world.

But we didn't do anything to you Chinese, man. It was the Japs.

Why so bitter towards us?

And even if you are bitter what the hell can you do about it?

Oh yes. Do you want to treat us as pigs too? Or as guinea pigs for some germ warfare experiments? Typically your parts of the world do that to each other.

 

[Ray]

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Just the other day another chinese was telling us the turn of the century characterization of China by their neighbours - A pig looking into the mirror. Looks like you are still pissed off at the world.

But we didn't do anything to you Chinese, man. It was the Japs.

Why so bitter towards us?

And even if you are bitter what the hell can you do about it?

Oh yes. Do you want to treat us as pigs too? Or as guinea pigs for some germ warfare experiments? Typically your parts of the world do that to each other.

The Japanese deny that the level of atrocities done on the Chinese was extraordinary.

However, by Chinese accounts, they were massacred (300,000 dead) and treated like lowlife; I would not know if the Japanese thought they were pigs.

So, did the British and other western powers.

That is why they have this mourning for '100 years of National Shame'.

I don't think 'pig' is any derogative term in China, unlike the rest of the world, since in China it is their staple.

The Chinese like @nimo_cn are bitter since they think they have conquered the world because they have suddenly has had the experience of a rags to riches experience and the world still does not acknowledge them as their equal, let alone accept that they have arrived in reality.

The world continuous feel they fudge, steal, cheat, replicate and claim as original and are full of deceit, cunning and thievery.

It is only the insecure, who gets offensive and abusive. Those who know their worth don't bother but the insecure do squeal like the porcine variety.

Obviously, the Chinese like @nimo_cn has good reason to be bitter.

 

[Khagesh]

The Japanese deny that the level of atrocities done on the Chinese was extraordinary.

However, by Chinese accounts, they were massacred (300,000 dead) and treated like lowlife; I would not know if the Japanese thought they were pigs.

So, did the British and other western powers.

That is why they have this mourning for '100 years of National Shame'.

I don't think 'pig' is any derogative term in China, unlike the rest of the world, since in China it is their staple.

The Imperial Japanese atrocities may or may not have been real but the received wisdom for most chinese is that it was real.

In any case the western sources and the chinese sources also claim that the Japanese did think of them as Guinea Pigs though (731 experiments).

Today an aam admi chinese feels very satisfied (probably even proud) about their equality with the Japanese. Probably that 'equality' somehow gave them more than a few ideas. The feelings of @nimo_cn are adequately conveyed by what he said. There has got to be some basis for those feelings. My guess is that it is his need to save face and be equal to his own tormentor. Otherwise how will he save his face.

But then again with accusations, refutations, counter accusations and the perennial intellectual inputs from the 'West' and the similar perennial need to now be like the 'Modern West', the whole picture is quite blurred for anybody to arrive at any kind of truth.

If the Chinese say it happened then lets just start from there. I would not deny them their Century of shame. Strange that while we Indians have also faced persecution for long periods (longer than chinese) but we never gave up our own lives to be like our tormentors and save face.

 

[Khagesh]

The Japanese deny that the level of atrocities done on the Chinese was extraordinary.

However, by Chinese accounts, they were massacred (300,000 dead) and treated like lowlife; I would not know if the Japanese thought they were pigs.

So, did the British and other western powers.

That is why they have this mourning for '100 years of National Shame'.

I don't think 'pig' is any derogative term in China, unlike the rest of the world, since in China it is their staple.

The Imperial Japanese atrocities may or may not have been real but the received wisdom for most chinese is that it was real.

In any case the western sources and the chinese sources also claim that the Japanese did think of them as Guinea Pigs though (731 experiments).

Today an aam admi chinese feels very satisfied (probably even proud) about their equality with the Japanese. Probably that 'equality' somehow gave them more than a few ideas. The feelings of @nimo_cn are adequately conveyed by what he said. There has got to be some basis for those feelings. My guess is that it is his need to save face and be equal to his own tormentor. Otherwise how will he save his face.

But then again with accusations, refutations, counter accusations and the perennial intellectual inputs from the 'West' and the similar perennial need to now be like the 'Modern West', the whole picture is quite blurred for anybody to arrive at any kind of truth.

If the Chinese say it happened then lets just start from there. I would not deny them their Century of shame. Strange that while we Indians have also faced persecution for long periods (longer than chinese) but we never gave up our own lives to be like our tormentors and save face.


Stranger still is the fact that this need to be like somebody else and to be on the victorious side was ingrained in even their leaders. From wiki:

Both Chiang Kai-shek and Mao Zedong declared the end of the Century of Humiliation in the aftermath of World War II, with Chiang promoting his wartime resistance to Japanese rule and China's place among the victorious Allies in 1945, while Mao declared it with the establishment of the People's Republic of China in 1949 [a commie ideal imported from elsewhere].

 

[Ray]

Chinese author spends 150k pounds to look like Shakespeare

London: A best-selling Chinese author has shelled out a staggering 151,000 pounds on plastic surgery to look like the famed playwright William Shakespeare.


Zhang Yiyi, 34, had a total of 10 operations over several months including eye reconstruction, eyelid surgery, nose surgery and a face tuck to look like the bard.

While Yiyi is as yet unable to emulate William Shakespeare's famously bald head, he has now grown his hair much longer to aid the resemblance.

Yiyi was born in humble surroundings in the Hunan Province in Central China but went on to become a well-regarded writer.

The novelist decided to save for the operations three years ago, putting aside his book royalties to pay, 'mirror.Co.Uk' reported.

Shakespeare died at the age of 52 in 1616 in Stratford-upon-Avon.

The best idea of how Shakespeare looked comes from portraits such as the Shakespeare portrait by Martin Droeshout, an engraving that served as frontispiece to the collected works of Shakespeare (the First Folio), printed in 1622 and published in 1623.
Chinese author spends 150k pounds to look like Shakespeare | Zee News

Just imagine the huge INFERIORITY the Chinese suffer from wherein they hate being what they are, i.e. Han and want to ape the West to appear 'modern' and ACCEPTABLE!

What a mentality!

They hate themselves for what they are and want to shed their skin as snakes do and then talk about others! :shocked:

nimo_cn shows the same mentality of trying her level best to be something else by trying to do down others when she is but full of the Chinese mentality of being ashamed as to what she is.

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