The Chinese Dream From Mao to Xi

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  1. W.G.Ewald

    W.G.Ewald Defence Professionals/ DFI member of 2 Defence Professionals

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    The Chinese Dream From Mao to Xi | China Power | The Diplomat


     
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    Xi is honest enough to use the word 'dream'.

    The Chinese love dreaming.

    They dream their history up when they want to put claims on other's territories as also then grab that land to make their dreams come true.
     
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    some frenzied member began to rave again...LOL...
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    there is a quite old but famous Entry in this world: American Dream

    American Dream - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    in this century ,we tried to use this similar and westernized wording again...and in our Culture and language ,so called 'Dream'(梦) also stands for 'Ambitions'

    the entry of Chinese Dream- 中国梦 on Wiki is well translated and explained already.

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    comparing to some famous Talker nation in this world, China's people was well known as Hard Working ones...it seems that the dream has much more Chance to come true than those 'Shining Promise' and 'big talk' ...LOL...

    time will tell and it seems time has told something.
     
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    seriouslly do you have to bash everytime about anything china related, even its off topic. can you blame chinese poster for saying indian member bias etc etc when the mod doing the same.
     
  6. W.G.Ewald

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    What BG Ray said is not wrong, however. In fact, it is a good summary of China's aggression involving several countries in its sphere of influence in the Pacific region.

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    You could confirm his statement by reviewing any number of threads on DFI. Even mods should be able to express their opinions.
     
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    You should understand the people like Ray. As an old soldier, what could be worse than seeing the gap between you and your enemy larger and larger. After years of dreaming "India shining", suddently everything collapses--Rupee is going down, economic miracle is over. We should let him keep at least some self-consolling! After all, words don't hurt anyone.
     
  8. Tianshan

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    what your fellow countryman Ray said is wrong, when did we "dream up history" and then grab land based on those dreams?

    here is a real historical fact for you Ray: india as a country never existed in history.

    all the lands that india currently inhabits were grabbed from the natives based on dreams of something called "british india".

    there is no historical basis on which india is a unified country. british india was a dream made into reality by western colonialists.
     
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    More from the article, since our Chinese friends as usual attempt distraction by making the thread about India.
     
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    A commenter responds with the Party Line!

     
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    Now the Part Line is refuted!
    Interesting prediction in this comment.
     
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    And what be this:

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    One does not bash China.

    One just exposes the falsehoods that are pandered to.

    There are many posts that are laudatory too.

    But then your jaundiced bias blinds you to perceive them!

    That is all.
     
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    I'd endorse you for this comment, except I've never, ever, ever seen you condemn @Ray for his blatant China-bashing in India-centric threads.

    We get that you like India and you've got deep misgivings about China. But don't pretend to be neutral or objective about it.

    EDIT: Actually, given how you responded in the NSA thread, I'm not even sure you like India all that much. You just said it doesn't matter whether the NSA has a right to be spying on Indians, you just said that because it can, it should. Might is right for your beloved USA, is it not? Then quit trying to be decent and claim otherwise.
     
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    Does this not prove that he is not pro India and instead has his own opinion?
     
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    @t_co and other Chinese posters,

    Now when this is said

    And it is replied with

    I am sure you will still call it China bashing!
     
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    maurya empire, what a joke. :lol:

    that was one random empire that lasted only about 100 years, that too several thousand years ago, no successor states. it is a one-off empire that has nothing to do with the country called india, which was a colonial creation.

    india was created and named after a river which only existed in british india. today, the indus river exists almost entirely within pakistan, yet india is still named after it. so are the west indians and the red indians, the only thing that ties them all together is the british colonial period, which exerted power over the indus river valley, now in pakistan.
     
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  18. Ray

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    Like Han Chinese are 93% in China, right?

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    This is the map of the British Empire in the 1920s.

    Does it mean that there was no British Empire?

    You do show great logic!

    There was no China, as we see today.

    Ancient China was built along the two main rivers—first the Yellow River (Huang He) in the north, and later the Yangtze in the south.

    China is the product of imperialist and hegemonic suppression.

    That is the reality.

    Now, go to your town crier and yell - China bashing!

    Truth was never the staple of Communist China and its acolytes who kowtow to the CCP!
     
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  19. Tianshan

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    you are avoiding the simple fact again.

    that india was never a nation in history, it was a unification of the kingdoms of the subcontinent by the colonialists, an entirely artificial creation. or as you might say, just a "dream" that was forced into reality by the forces of western colonialism.
     
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    I am not avoiding anything.

    It is your selective logic that astounds.

    Prove what I have said about China wrong.

    India or Bharat has always been in a flux regrading the boundaries since it was devastated by historical onslaught.

    China has been fortunate to have the Himalayas and the deserts that protected it for a long time in history.

    The seasonal monsoon winds that blow north from the Indian Ocean over Asia produce vast amounts of rainfall in the Himalayan Mountains and the Tibetan Plateau. Some of this water, along with rich sediments, flows across the Chinese Plain creating fertile farmland. The fertile areas of Eastern China are surrounded by deserts, vast steppes, high mountains and impassable jungles. Because of this the early civilization of China developed more independently than those of the Indus, Tigris and Euphrates, and Nile River valleys, which were always in contact with each other. This gave rise to a feeling in China was the world, that it was "All Under Heaven", surrounded by lesser regions populated by barbarians.
    China - History and Geography

    Here is the expansion and hegemonic pursuits that created China.

    It is animated to show what it was and what went to make it what it is!

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    I am not doing China bashing, but clearing some cobwebs that obfuscate your logic.
     
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  21. W.G.Ewald

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    I have said in the past that "China-bashing" detracts from good discussion on DFI.

    I suppose I "like" India, but the reason I am on DFI is because it offers the best place to discuss military subjects and world events that I know.

    Yes, my views of China were well formed in the Cold War, even before my US Army service. I suppose I could be more temperate in my view of China today.

    As for NSA, I try not to be too upset by things I have no control over.

    Finally, it turns out that many of the people I "bash" or snarl at on DFI are actually on my "friends list."
     
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