The Agni-3 Vs Agni-5 Conundrum and some Questions

[sayareakd]

This Pakistani with name here as Safriz is totally pissed with newest of India's missile test recently. He claims naval service at junior level which puts his knowledge at about lower to below par level. He spends full time on it researching newspaper cuttings and ISI basic knowledge of missiles. He is trying his best to gather information on Indian missiles thru conversation and stupid posts, so that somebody contradicts him then give him better knowledge. He is as close to a spy as possible.

In return we should wpost photographs of failed Pakistani missiles with wires hanging out. Tell him that the level of sophistication in Pakistani missiles is so poor that other than propaganda, they will not work. Same is true about TNW.

First he ask question, when given answer he tried to evade them, then tried to bring in Chinese and later Pakistani missiles, then finally given specific answer don't even respond to post.

He is out of his earlier thread...................

 

[kurup]

A list of Questions here which i ask members to look into and write opinion.

1) Agni-3 has length of 17 meters Diameter of 2 meters, and weighs 22 Tons
Agni-5 has length of 17.5 Meters Diameter of 2 meters and weighs 50 Tons.

How could just 50 Cm increase in length made the Agni-5 more than twice heavier than Agni-3?

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Wrong ..... A3 weighs 48 tons .

So your comparison is flawed .

2) On Wikipedia page for Agni-3 the warhead size is mentioned as 2.5 Tons.
But later below on the same page under the description RV MK 4 or the description of Missile's Re-Entry Vehicle,it says the Weapon size is 600Kg to 1800 Kg. So that can be taken as the actual weight of the nuclear bomb and the rest is the weight of Re-Entry Vehicle including motors , electronics,fuel and shielding?
Going by that assumption if the bomb has maximum weight of 1800Kg but the missile Payload is mentioned at 2500Kg,then the RV weighs 700 Kg?
Link to Wiki Page in Question

While reading Wikipedia page about Agni-5 i noticed that it says Missile's warhead stage is still under development,meaning something better is on the way. But the current warhead capacity is stated as 1500 Kg
As unlike Agni-3 which has a very large space for Warhead,Agni-5 has a very small space for Warhead as the third stage occupied much of the triangular space on top of stage 2 (as shown in the pictures)
Does that mean the 1.5 Ton mentioned is the Nuclear bomb plus the Re-Entry Vehicle?
Going by what we read in Agni-3 case the RV is 700 KG but total payload capacity of Agni-5 is mentioned at 1500Kg. Then the actual Bomb weight must be 800 Kg?

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Some visual comparison and limits of stages on Agni-3 and Agni-5.

First Agni-5

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Cable runners on each stage are clearly visible? The narrow linear tubular protrudes? The first stage cable runner ends just below where it says "A5" . So thats the limit of stage 1.
The second stage cable Runner starts just above the DRDO insignia and ends just below the Indian flag,so thats the limits of stage 2?
The thirds stage being tucked away in the triangular section on top has cable runner starting at the ring above Indian flag and ends at the Black cone . So that's the limit of Third stage.. I am assuming that this stage only fires up in the vaccum of space where there is no resistance of air,so despite being very small,adds to the range significantly.
The Warhead or the actual bomb is housed in the Black cone..

3) Since the Black Cone comprises of the Bomb and the shielding and there had to be a gap between the two . Can such a confined space carry 1.5 Tons if considering that the 1.5 ton payload mentioned on wiki is just the bomb weight excluding RV?

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For interest sake here are the limits of Agni-3 stages and where the RV starts. watch the cable runners on the side.

View attachment 12906

It can be seen the space for warhead is far larger than what is available on A-5.

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P.S . Myself being of Pakistani origin taking pat in this thread will flare up emotions as it did previously and fill the thread with abuse instead of good discussion,so i will stay away but request members to come and write their analysis and arguments.

Such datas are very specific ..... You will never get such data out in the open easily ...... You are never gonna know about it unless DRDO decides to declassify it .

Then again whats your point.

 

[Hari Sud]

Guys, nobody can stop this guy Safriz. So ignore his questions completely. If he insists then give him answer of Pakistani TNW and Missiles.

First he ask question, when given answer he tried to evade them, then tried to bring in Chinese and later Pakistani missiles, then finally given specific answer don't even respond to post.

He is out of his earlier thread...................

 

[safriz]

target modified Prithvis were different.

We have wasted all those prithvis, imagine, if we would have used it on our enemy, he would have been history.

Any way Prithvis are about to retire from service.

From where did you get your figure of 150 Prithvi tests?
Any links?

 

[Indx TechStyle]

@safriz more to add, India carried out 16 missile tests in last term, yours was 2.

 

[safriz]

@safriz more to add, India carried out 16 missile tests in last term, yours was 2.

Because Missiles are tested to iron out flaws. Ours are developed and deployed. Your need work.
And before you go gaga. Let me remind you that the deployed Indian nuclear missiles are only Prithvi, Agni 1 , Agni 2 , Agni-3 and Agni-4 recently deployed.
Agni V is still experimental and undeployed . Even Agni IV needs further tests.
That's why more tests on your side less on ours

 

[Bornubus]

A list of Questions here which i ask members to look into and write opinion.

1) Agni-3 has length of 17 meters Diameter of 2 meters, and weighs 22 Tons
Agni-5 has length of 17.5 Meters Diameter of 2 meters and weighs 50 Tons.

How could just 50 Cm increase in length made the Agni-5 more than twice heavier than Agni-3?

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2) On Wikipedia page for Agni-3 the warhead size is mentioned as 2.5 Tons.
But later below on the same page under the description RV MK 4 or the description of Missile's Re-Entry Vehicle,it says the Weapon size is 600Kg to 1800 Kg. So that can be taken as the actual weight of the nuclear bomb and the rest is the weight of Re-Entry Vehicle including motors , electronics,fuel and shielding?
Going by that assumption if the bomb has maximum weight of 1800Kg but the missile Payload is mentioned at 2500Kg,then the RV weighs 700 Kg?
Link to Wiki Page in Question

While reading Wikipedia page about Agni-5 i noticed that it says Missile's warhead stage is still under development,meaning something better is on the way. But the current warhead capacity is stated as 1500 Kg
As unlike Agni-3 which has a very large space for Warhead,Agni-5 has a very small space for Warhead as the third stage occupied much of the triangular space on top of stage 2 (as shown in the pictures)
Does that mean the 1.5 Ton mentioned is the Nuclear bomb plus the Re-Entry Vehicle?
Going by what we read in Agni-3 case the RV is 700 KG but total payload capacity of Agni-5 is mentioned at 1500Kg. Then the actual Bomb weight must be 800 Kg?

====================================================================================


Some visual comparison and limits of stages on Agni-3 and Agni-5.

First Agni-5

View attachment 12905

Cable runners on each stage are clearly visible? The narrow linear tubular protrudes? The first stage cable runner ends just below where it says "A5" . So thats the limit of stage 1.
The second stage cable Runner starts just above the DRDO insignia and ends just below the Indian flag,so thats the limits of stage 2?
The thirds stage being tucked away in the triangular section on top has cable runner starting at the ring above Indian flag and ends at the Black cone . So that's the limit of Third stage.. I am assuming that this stage only fires up in the vaccum of space where there is no resistance of air,so despite being very small,adds to the range significantly.
The Warhead or the actual bomb is housed in the Black cone.

3) Since the Black Cone comprises of the Bomb and the shielding and there had to be a gap between the two . Can such a confined space carry 1.5 Tons if considering that the 1.5 ton payload mentioned on wiki is just the bomb weight excluding RV?

================================================================================

For interest sake here are the limits of Agni-3 stages and where the RV starts. watch the cable runners on the side.

View attachment 12906

It can be seen the space for warhead is far larger than what is available on A-5.

==============================================================================

P.S . Myself being of Pakistani origin taking pat in this thread will flare up emotions as it did previously and fill the thread with abuse instead of good discussion,so i will stay away but request members to come and write their analysis and arguments.

If this is your garbage posted elsewhere saying what technology Pakis are using to destroy Indian Post !


Can you tell how many military bunkers, vehicle, troops can you see in this pic (apart from civilian house and Civilian cars)


Answer this simple question and win a turbocharged Arabian Horse for Panipat part 2

 

[safriz]

If this is your garbage posted elsewhere saying what technology Pakis are using to destroy Indian Post !


Can you tell how many military bunkers, vehicle, troops can you see in this pic (apart from civilian house and Civilian cars)


Answer this simple question and win a turbocharged Arabian Horse for Panipat part 2


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Yes this is my page, or I must say our page as we are a consortium.
No I am not replying to your question as whatever I do outside of this page is none of your or anyone else's concerns.

 

[tharun]

Because Missiles are tested to iron out flaws. Ours are developed and deployed. Your need work.
And before you go gaga. Let me remind you that the deployed Indian nuclear missiles are only Prithvi, Agni 1 , Agni 2 , Agni-3 and Agni-4 recently deployed.
Agni V is still experimental and undeployed . Even Agni IV needs further tests.
That's why more tests on your side less on ours

Abey moron missiles are constantly tested around the world to test new tech in Navigation,accuracy and lot more...Deployed missiles are different from test missiles
Russia tests their missiles each..that doesn't mean that their missiles are still under development..Even USA does Minuteman Missiles constantly

 

[PD_Solo]

Abey moron missiles are constantly tested around the world to test new tech in Navigation,accuracy and lot more...Deployed missiles are different from test missiles
Russia tests their missiles each..that doesn't mean that their missiles are still under development..Even USA does Minuteman Missiles constantly

Not moron.......its morons as they are a consortium.

@rock127 plz add @safriz to esteemed panel.

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[sayareakd]

From where did you get your figure of 150 Prithvi tests?
Any links?

Who said 150?????..............

 

[Indx TechStyle]

At first place, Pakistan doesn't fire any missile repeatedly like India 5-10 times in a short period of time. India even "tests" operational missiles to demonstrate reliability and power projection and so are other big countries.
Its nothing more than a grapes are sour response.

Because Missiles are tested to iron out flaws.

It's used for demonstrating new techs, checking out per year's launch frequency capacity whose best way is to fire more and more missiles and to scare your enemy on event of a political tension.

Because Missiles are tested to iron out flaws. Ours are developed and deployed. Your need work.

Means Pakistan has stopped making missiles? Pakistan has reached extreme of technology and doesn't need further testing?

Seriously? Again need MTCR links for revealing your "developed" missiles?
Again need to get told about SLBMs?
Where do your "developed" and "deployed" stand against "Indian Under Development"?

In fact, how many tests you used to conduct when they were under development?

Which missile technologies Pakistan has operational but not India and vice versa?
I don't see Pak having SLBMs, QBMs, even AAMs, ABMs. Pak isn't working on HGVs, ARMs, Scramjets, Ramjets, turbofans etc..

Why only missiles? Do you have lasers, NBCs, interceptors or atmospheric kill vehicles?
Answer is a big No.

And before you go gaga. Let me remind you that the deployed Indian nuclear missiles are only Prithvi, Agni 1 , Agni 2 , Agni-3 and Agni-4 recently deployed.
Agni V is still experimental and undeployed . Even Agni IV needs further tests.

There's a difference between fully operational and operational, in our context.
And here do we go by example of old and new Agni 3.
There is always considerable gap between when Indian Strategic Weapon unofficially enters service and later announced.

"Inducting" missiles officially after isn't some sense of pride unless you can carry out high number of tests in a small period of time.
Do you know, if Pakistan could have get an interceptor, it would have become operational till now, India has drawn 9 consecutive successful tests hell out of this but yet not satisfied.:biggrin2:

That's why more tests on your side less on ours

China, Russia, India, US, France all are behind Pakistan because they conduct so many tests.

Braincell, do you even bother to see at types of missiles which they test annually? How many of them you have?
Further, long range missile testing and exercise on ocassion of a political tension is best way to show teeth.

 

[I am otm shank]

it's pathetic indians are actually answering this terrorist's questions..

 

[safriz]

At first place, Pakistan doesn't fire any missile repeatedly like India 5-10 times in a short period of time. India even "tests" operational missiles to demonstrate reliability and power projection and so are other big countries.
Its nothing more than a grapes are sour response.

It's used for demonstrating new techs, checking out per year's launch frequency capacity whose best way is to fire more and more missiles and to scare your enemy on event of a political tension.

Means Pakistan has stopped making missiles? Pakistan has reached extreme of technology and doesn't need further testing?

Seriously? Again need MTCR links for revealing your "developed" missiles?
Again need to get told about SLBMs?
Where do your "developed" and "deployed" stand against "Indian Under Development"?

In fact, how many tests you used to conduct when they were under development?

Which missile technologies Pakistan has operational but not India and vice versa?
I don't see Pak having SLBMs, QBMs, even AAMs, ABMs. Pak isn't working on HGVs, ARMs, Scramjets, Ramjets, turbofans etc..

Why only missiles? Do you have lasers, NBCs, interceptors or atmospheric kill vehicles?
Answer is a big No.

There's a difference between fully operational and operational, in our context.
And here do we go by example of old and new Agni 3.
There is always considerable gap between when Indian Strategic Weapon unofficially enters service and later announced.

"Inducting" missiles officially after isn't some sense of pride unless you can carry out high number of tests in a small period of time.
Do you know, if Pakistan could have get an interceptor, it would have become operational till now, India has drawn 9 consecutive successful tests hell out of this but yet not satisfied.:biggrin2:

China, Russia, India, US, France all are behind Pakistan because they conduct so many tests.

Braincell, do you even bother to see at types of missiles which they test annually? How many of them you have?
Further, long range missile testing and exercise on ocassion of a political tension is best way to show teeth.

I read your long comment and here are the replies o the points you raised.

Pakistan does more bench and cold tests of individual components and less actual missile tests. saves costs and keeps secrecy. The proof of this line of action was given big time in 1998 wen India conducted Nuclear tests tining aht Pakistan won't be able to do anything and surrender. They had no idea Pakistan was also ready. In fact by USA's own admission they to didn't know.
Only to see Pakistan conducting tests a few days late. Because Pakistan does far more cold tests than India our Missiles dont fail when fired.
Nirahy falls on some Farmer's cahsew nut plantation and keeps falling.

Yes India is developing the or Trying to develop the long list of Engines you mentioned. Its another thing hat Kaveri won't power tejas as below par performance and Brahmos engine is Russian import.
The Laghu Shakti egine used on Nirbhay was seen flaming out during the test.
Yes it will be improved and yes eventually it may stop flaming and perform as neede but at what cost?
On the other hand Pakistan skipped all that,bought NPO reliable engines and deployed Babur 10 years ago.
So a more practical approach that works very well.

Problem is planning of Indian Missiles is upside down. The missile is developed seperately, the platform developed on it's own and warheads available are not even kept into consideration.
For example Brahmos was developed without any consideration for launch platforms. It is too heavy for Sukhoi and too wide for submarines.
IAF SU-30 had to be specially modified at great cost for being able to carry just one Brahmos and only one SU-30 has so far been modified that way,so in effect only one IAF SU-30MKI can even carry Brahmos. Firing test is yet to ne done.
Due to being too wide no Indian sub can fire it from torpedo tube and will have to be specially re-fitted with VLS,whenever that happens.
Yes ships can fire Brahmos and so can land based launchers , but the launc platforms will need to be within 300 Kilometers of Pakistani borders to have any results as the missile only has 300Km range.

On the other Hand Pakistan build everything in conjunction. For example babur was developed while keeping in mind 533mm dia of Submarine Torpedo tubes which is standard. babur Dia is 520mm , so it can have water tight casing for being fired from submarine if needed. No modification will be neded on PN Agosta.
Also Pakistan developed a seperate light weight ALCM for PAF,so that every available aircraft can carry it without expensive modifications.
Every jet in PAF fleet can carry two or at least one Raad ALCM.
Also dimensions and weight of our Ballistic Missiles were kept in line with available TEL,to make them all terrain. And thats Pakistan's second strike capability. All Pakistani Ballistic missiles are on offroad vehicles which can go hide in desolated places where enemy first strike isn't gona happen and then launch a reply attack from some desesert , forest or mountain.
India gave TEL contracts to Private companies who didn't do a good Job. Agni TEL looks like a freight train and the turning circle is so large that the thing can barely travel on major highways let alone a small road and due to low ground clearance and being very long,definitely not offroad.
Only Prithvi launchers can do limited offroading.

Also the amout of Plutonium and Weapon grade Uranium available to India at the moment isnt too big and yes they have Fuel quality uranium in large quantity which also can be used to make very heavy Nuclear warheads not ligh ones.
So what exactly is the point in making MIRV capable missiles when warheads cannot be made for them? Or even a nuclear cruise missile which will also need very small warhead? In fact currently Pakistan has more Nuclear warheds than India,so even if India has more and more types of Missiles,there is no point as they don't have amounts and types of warhed for the misisles. Its same as having the gun but no bullets.
that's why Pakistan isn't rushing into building SLBM as our land based missiles are currently enough to act as second strike capabilities,and not rushing for more types of Missiles as Pakistan al;ready has more types of nuclear capable missiles than India.

 

[porky_kicker]

I read your long comment and here are the replies o the points you raised.

Pakistan does more bench and cold tests of individual components and less actual missile tests. saves costs and keeps secrecy. The proof of this line of action was given big time in 1998 wen India conducted Nuclear tests tining aht Pakistan won't be able to do anything and surrender. They had no idea Pakistan was also ready. In fact by USA's own admission they to didn't know.
Only to see Pakistan conducting tests a few days late. Because Pakistan does far more cold tests than India our Missiles dont fail when fired.

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Problem is planning of Indian Missiles is upside down. The missile is developed seperately, the platform developed on it's own and warheads available are not even kept into consideration.
that's why Pakistan isn't rushing into building SLBM as our land based missiles are currently enough to act as second strike capabilities,and not rushing for more types of Missiles as Pakistan al;ready has more types of nuclear capable missiles than India.

lol... mr.porky kia qawali garaha hai yaihaa


u must have ready somewhere how porkies did cold test with the nuclear devices (taught by the chinese bap )

and here u r trying to educate us using the same concept of cold test on ballistic missiles / cruise missiles which is associated with nuclear devices

take ur madrassa logic elsewhere mr.jhadu balm :biggrin2:

how do u do cold tests on a complete ballistic missiles / cruise missiles system


plz enlighten us :biggrin2:


porkies dont plan or design they simply beg borrow steal so the weapons r always mounted on the right platforms and right shape

TELs r all chinese , launch platforms r chinese , custom designed and delivered from china, north korea, s africa, turkey, all repainted in porkistan with in house paint durability cold testing :biggrin2:

also crappy as hell like as during kargil war the ghauri (piss be upon him) missile which had operational status in porky army was found to have no guidance system installed in the first place.

lol and the porkies had countless successful test fires of the ghauri missile without the guidance system

lol madrassa certified cold testing failed of individual components failed or the chinese forgot to install it or u forgot to beg for it or the pimping price was too high?

guess the porkies never heard of the term guidance system since they were busy cold testing each others bums :biggrin2:

cut the crap and ship ur ass out if u have nothing better to post.

u madrassa educated porkies r used to eating shit without any question , here we will fry ur ass.

 

[safriz]

lol... mr.porky kia qawali garaha hai yaihaa


u must have ready somewhere how porkies did cold test with the nuclear devices (taught by the chinese bap )

and here u r trying to educate us using the same concept of cold test on ballistic missiles / cruise missiles which is associated with nuclear devices

take ur madrassa logic elsewhere mr.jhadu balm :biggrin2:

how do u do cold tests on a complete ballistic missiles / cruise missiles system


plz enlighten us :biggrin2:


porkies dont plan or design they simply beg borrow steal so the weapons r always mounted on the right platforms and right shape

TELs r all chinese , launch platforms r chinese , custom designed and delivered from china, north korea, s africa turkey, all repainted in porkistan with in house paint durability cold testing :biggrin2:

also crappy as hell like as during kargil war the ghauri (piss be upon him) missilewhich had operational status in porky army was found to have no guidance system installed in the first place.

guess the porkies never heard of the term guidance system since they were busy cold testing each others bums :biggrin2:

cut the crap and ship ur ass out if u have nothing better to post.

u madrassa educated porkies r used to eating shit without any question , here we will fry ur ass.

hahaha,
Why so obsessed with Pork? Even your user name has Pork reference.
(Goes straight to ignore list )

 

[porky_kicker]

no answers / out of answers

so take the short cut

so typical of a mullah madrassa educated porky :biggrin2:

ignore list ?

mr.dumbo with ur posts the comedy factor is too high too ignore

anyways mr.porky aka porkistani dont blow urself up in ur stupidity :biggrin2:
or just do it

 

[Hari Sud]

If you cannot resist this guy Safriz with very energetic answer then mislead him.

 

[Imaxxx]

I read your long comment and here are the replies o the points you raised.

Pakistan does more bench and cold tests of individual components and less actual missile tests. saves costs and keeps secrecy. The proof of this line of action was given big time in 1998 wen India conducted Nuclear tests tining aht Pakistan won't be able to do anything and surrender. They had no idea Pakistan was also ready. In fact by USA's own admission they to didn't know.
Only to see Pakistan conducting tests a few days late. Because Pakistan does far more cold tests than India our Missiles dont fail when fired.
Nirahy falls on some Farmer's cahsew nut plantation and keeps falling.

Yes India is developing the or Trying to develop the long list of Engines you mentioned. Its another thing hat Kaveri won't power tejas as below par performance and Brahmos engine is Russian import.
The Laghu Shakti egine used on Nirbhay was seen flaming out during the test.
Yes it will be improved and yes eventually it may stop flaming and perform as neede but at what cost?
On the other hand Pakistan skipped all that,bought NPO reliable engines and deployed Babur 10 years ago.
So a more practical approach that works very well.

Problem is planning of Indian Missiles is upside down. The missile is developed seperately, the platform developed on it's own and warheads available are not even kept into consideration.
For example Brahmos was developed without any consideration for launch platforms. It is too heavy for Sukhoi and too wide for submarines.
IAF SU-30 had to be specially modified at great cost for being able to carry just one Brahmos and only one SU-30 has so far been modified that way,so in effect only one IAF SU-30MKI can even carry Brahmos. Firing test is yet to ne done.
Due to being too wide no Indian sub can fire it from torpedo tube and will have to be specially re-fitted with VLS,whenever that happens.
Yes ships can fire Brahmos and so can land based launchers , but the launc platforms will need to be within 300 Kilometers of Pakistani borders to have any results as the missile only has 300Km range.

On the other Hand Pakistan build everything in conjunction. For example babur was developed while keeping in mind 533mm dia of Submarine Torpedo tubes which is standard. babur Dia is 520mm , so it can have water tight casing for being fired from submarine if needed. No modification will be neded on PN Agosta.
Also Pakistan developed a seperate light weight ALCM for PAF,so that every available aircraft can carry it without expensive modifications.
Every jet in PAF fleet can carry two or at least one Raad ALCM.
Also dimensions and weight of our Ballistic Missiles were kept in line with available TEL,to make them all terrain. And thats Pakistan's second strike capability. All Pakistani Ballistic missiles are on offroad vehicles which can go hide in desolated places where enemy first strike isn't gona happen and then launch a reply attack from some desesert , forest or mountain.
India gave TEL contracts to Private companies who didn't do a good Job. Agni TEL looks like a freight train and the turning circle is so large that the thing can barely travel on major highways let alone a small road and due to low ground clearance and being very long,definitely not offroad.
Only Prithvi launchers can do limited offroading.

Also the amout of Plutonium and Weapon grade Uranium available to India at the moment isnt too big and yes they have Fuel quality uranium in large quantity which also can be used to make very heavy Nuclear warheads not ligh ones.
So what exactly is the point in making MIRV capable missiles when warheads cannot be made for them? Or even a nuclear cruise missile which will also need very small warhead? In fact currently Pakistan has more Nuclear warheds than India,so even if India has more and more types of Missiles,there is no point as they don't have amounts and types of warhed for the misisles. Its same as having the gun but no bullets.
that's why Pakistan isn't rushing into building SLBM as our land based missiles are currently enough to act as second strike capabilities,and not rushing for more types of Missiles as Pakistan al;ready has more types of nuclear capable missiles than India.

:bs:
You got to hand it to the pakis, when they bs they can bs big time. Unfortunately for them the world has moved on while their mental strategy is stuck in the jurassic period.
There's lol after lol. Eg
-calculating India's strategic strike capability from wikipedia!
- ndtv image is proof
- pork and porky kicker are same
- pakis don't need to test missiles coz they test individual components!
Mods: please merge this with the jokes thread

 

[IndianHawk]

:bs:
You got to hand it to the pakis, when they bs they can bs big time. Unfortunately for them the world has moved on while their mental strategy is stuck in the jurassic period.
There's lol after lol. Eg
-calculating India's strategic strike capability from wikipedia!
- ndtv image is proof
- pork and porky kicker are same
- pakis don't need to test missiles coz they test individual components!
Mods: please merge this with the jokes thread

That is roohani technology. Individuals components will be kept in lal masjid .

When the war comes djinns will fly components which will soon become the most sophisticated missile in entire universe and India will be erased from world map .

Be very very afraid.