Texas wants to secede?

[drkrn]

what could be the future implications of this thing??

 

[datguy79]

i don't know why people from many states in the U.S. want to secede from U.S.A. itself:shocked:!i mean they have got everything that anybody can dream of and still they want to secede from a Superpower like U.S.A.(p.s.:-i know that the U.S. Federal Govt. won't accept their seccession under any circumstances but still its strange to see a large population wnats to secede from the U.S.)

Well, the civil war was because of state rights, not slavery. US states have a lot more leeway in terms of policy compared to other sub-national entities around the world.

Not all the states are the same though, economically speaking. There are "giver" and "taker" states, so your quality of life will probably be different if you are living in Mississippi rather than Massachusetts.

You people are ignoring one point: If people want to secede, none of them will give a damn about the constitution.

 

[Iamanidiot]

The US civil war was all about the confederates ceding.Tge rednecks are unable to come to terms with the Latino influx

 

[W.G.Ewald]

Texas was stolen from mexico in the first place, it rightly belongs to mexico.

Santa Anna traded Texas for his life after his capture at San Jacinto. Apparently he had the authority to do that. (He died at a ripe old age in Havana.)

Battle of San Jacinto - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[W.G.Ewald]

The US civil war was all about the confederates ceding.Tge rednecks are unable to come to terms with the Latino influx

We should remember that the Secessionists in 1861 had armed militias. Today's secessionists are sitting in front of their computers in their pyjamas.

 

[W.G.Ewald]

what could be the future implications of this thing??

It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury
Signifying nothing.

MacBeth, (Act 5, Scene 5)

 

[W.G.Ewald]

When USA ended the slavery, it sent the free negroes for Liberia, Africa.

Send the secessionists for there too.

The history is a little more complicated than that, and free African-Americans were going to Africa as far back as 1820, forty years before the Civil War.

In 1820, the American Colonization Society (ACS) began sending black volunteers to the Pepper Coast to establish a colony for freed American blacks. These free African Americans came to identify themselves as Americo-Liberian, developing a cultural tradition infused with American notions of racial supremacy, and political republicanism.[5] The ACS, a private organization supported by prominent American politicians such as Abraham Lincoln, Henry Clay, and James Monroe, believed repatriation was preferable to emancipation of slaves.[6] Similar organizations established colonies in Mississippi-in-Africa and the Republic of Maryland, which were later annexed by Liberia. On July 26, 1847, the settlers issued a Declaration of Independence and promulgated a constitution, which, based on the political principles denoted in the United States Constitution, created the independent Republic of Liberia.[7][8]

Liberia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[trackwhack]

This should give you an idea whats states will lead a serious charge to break up. Between 12 and 15 years from now.

 

[Ray]

Go Ahead and Secede, Texas. I Dare You.

In the wake of news that more than 80,000 people have signed an online White House petition asking permission for Texas to leave the Union, a single grave concern has united the minds of Americans of all political colors: If the state secedes, where are we going to get our NFL-caliber wide receivers?

As a recent student not just of secession, but the traditionally Southern mindset that drives it in this country (similar petitions for Louisiana, Florida, Georgia, Alabama, Tennessee, and North Carolina have all topped 20,000 signatures), let me be the first to say to the aggrieved liberal community: relax. No one is talking about building a Berlin Wall around the upside-down pistol grip part of Texas.

Texans may be stubborn, but they ain't stupid. In the event of secession, mutually beneficial treaties would be drawn up between the United States and newly formed Texas Republic, ensuring both sides get what they need.

The U.S.A. would be guaranteed access to Texas's critical military bases, and to necessities such as refined oil, natural gas, cattle, cotton and cheerleaders. (By the way, anytime someone mentions jazz as America's singular gift to world culture, I hasten to remind them of the cheerleader outfit.) In return, Texas would receive from the rest of the nation such life-sustaining provisions as "¦

Come to think of it, what does Texas actually need from the rest of us?

It's not just that the state leads the nation in production of most of those aforementioned resources. With a rock-solid infrastructure (Texas is the only state in the continental U.S. with its own independent power grid) and stable political tradition, it's also a self-sustaining player in agriculture, aeronautics, computers, energy, high-tech research and manufacturing, telecommunications, transportation and just about any other economic category to which you care to attach a dollar value. It's home to six of the top 50 Fortune 500 companies, including ExxonMobil, ConocoPhilips and AT&T, not to mention Southwest Airlines, American Airlines and Dr Pepper. According to a 2011 Economist ranking, Texas's $1.224 trillion GDP makes it the economic equivalent of Russia—and the fourteenth-largest economy in the world, second among U.S. states only to California.

Even during the recent economic downturn, commerce in Texas has remained robust. Employment is growing at 3.1 percent annually; its manufacturing and export figures are trending up; its unemployment rate currently stands at 6.8 percent, a full point below the national average; and housing starts are up 17.2 percent over the past year.

Texan Bob Smiley, author of the witty Texas secession novel Don't Mess With Travis (Travis being the surname of a fictional Texas governor who calls for secession), is even more emphatic on the point. "In the last decade of the Great Recession, Texas has expanded by more than one million jobs, more than all other states combined," Smiley told me in an email. "And fully 95 percent of the country receives its oil and gas courtesy of pipelines that originate within Texas. That is what one might call leverage."

Texas isn't entirely without need—consider the recent drought there, and accompanying federal aid—but then again, no major player in the global economy is entirely self-sufficient. Point being, instead of freaking out about angry Texans and other Southerners wanting to control their own destiny, we'd do better to consider their position and complaints, and ask ourselves: Shouldn't shared values, cultural norms and manageable geography—not the chance tentacles of history and insatiable federal bureaucracy—ultimately be the things that unite a given population?

For two years, I traveled throughout Texas and the South researching these very questions for a book. I concluded that while on its surface secession is an admittedly absurd proposition, there's a certain logic, even a sense of humanity, in its essence. Sure, splitting the country apart feels unnatural—a crime against manifest destiny, at the very least. Americans have become so accustomed to their hard divisions—conservative-liberal, black-white, Roe-Wade, red-blue, Tea Party-sane—that the chasm separating us feels almost ordained, an organic and even integral part of the national tradition. But just because spiritual, political, racial and commercial divides have always been with us doesn't mean they must continue to define us.

So let's back away from the secession ledge for a moment, see if we can't find a compromise. Maybe the solution for dissatisfied Texans and other wannabe secessionist states that can't tolerate the oppressive yoke of the federal government is to grant them some measure of quasi-autonomy. There's plenty of international precedent. Maybe deal with Texas the way that the Philippines deals with its restive state in the Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao, or the way China manages economically independent Hong Kong as a Special Administrative Region, even issuing its citizens their own passports. Hell, Scotland already has a semiautonomous parliament and in 2014 it's going to vote on an independence referendum that could abolish its 300-year tie to the UK. Turn Texas into Puerto Rico or Guam; give them some form of political and social expression in exchange for diminished power in federal government.

Or maybe the solution is simply to give Texas and other secessionist-conservatives what they really want: free passage to the land of all their conservative fantasies. Send them all off with gratis one-way tickets (I'm happy to earmark some of my socialist tax dollars for the effort) to a country with: a small federal government with limited power and meager influence over the private lives of its citizens; extremely weak trade unions routinely sabotaged by the federal government (i.e., a "pro-business environment"); negligible income tax; few immigrants, legal or otherwise; a dominant Christian population, accounting for some 70 percent of the people; no mandatory health insurance or concept of universal health care; a strong social taboo surrounding homosexuality and a constitution that already states, "All individuals have the right to marry a person of their choice of the opposite sex"; and a gun culture so ubiquitous that you can find automatic weaponry displayed openly on the streets of its capital city and in many households.

Sound like a Texan secessionist's dream? Well, it's no dream. This country already exists. It's called the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

Don't mess with us, Texas. You just might get what you want.

Chuck Thompson is the author of Better Off Without 'Em: A Northern Manifesto for Southern Secession (Simon & Schuster).

Chuck Thompson On Texas Secession: Be Careful What You Wish For | The New Republic

 

[W.G.Ewald]

^^
What is worse, the silly secession petitions, or the silly bluster in response to them? Chuck Thompson needs to get a grip on his inflated self.

The petitions need >25,000 signatures? My state has 9.5 million people.

In 1861 the states had their own militias. In modern times, the states have their National Guard units. (I was a member of the NCNG.) The National Guard is subject to federalization by the president.

These secession petitions are not even a good joke, and soon will be yesterday's news.

 

[average american]

I would not take on line petitons too serious, there was one about how many Indians wanted to move to Canada and it was like 75 percent,. There is another petition right now about about stripping everyone that signed the petition to susceed of their citizenship and evicting them from the USA.

 

[cloud_9]

 

[Dovah]

there was one about how many Indians wanted to move to Canada and it was like 75 percent,.

There was an online petition on how many Indians wanted to emigrate and the percentage was 75%? Wtf does that even mean?

 

[W.G.Ewald]

Texas has a population of 25,000,000.

 

[W.G.Ewald]

This how secession is done.

South Carolina Secedes

On this day, a secession convention meeting in Charleston, South Carolina, unanimously adopted an ordinance dissolving the connection between South Carolina and the United States of America.

The convention had been called by the governor and legislature of South Carolina once Lincoln's victory was assured. Delegates were elected on December 6, 1860, and the convention convened on December 17. Its action made South Carolina the first state to secede. Support for the Union was negligible, and a distinguished South Carolina unionist, James L. Petigru, allegedly commented at this time that his state was too small to be a nation and too large to be an insane asylum.

Two days after leaving the Union, on December 22, 1860, South Carolina sent commissioners to Washington, D.C., to negotiate for the delivery of federal property, such as forts, within the state.

December 20, 1860

That event was a deliberate legislative act. South Carolinians did not go as individuals to the White House and give their personal information to sign a petition for secession!

 

[Singh]

 

[Singh]

 

[W.G.Ewald]

These last two posts are unworthy of any kind of serious discussion on DFI, even for a non-defense topic. I have tried to explain that secession has nothing to do with the on-line petitions, yet apparently the temptation to post nonsense is not to be resisted.

Merge with Jokes Thread.

Grumble, grumble.

 

[cloud_9]

Texas has a population of 25,000,000.

But you need 25,000 votes

 

[W.G.Ewald]