Test 'breaks light speed again'

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  1. Kunal Biswas

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    [h=2] Test 'breaks light speed again'[/h]
    The team which found that neutrinos may travel faster than light has carried out an improved version of their experiment - and confirmed the result.


    If confirmed by other experiments, the find could undermine one of the basic principles of modern physics.
    Critics of the first report in September had said that the long bunches of neutrinos (tiny particles) used could introduce an error into the test.The new work used much shorter bunches.


    It has been posted to the Arxiv repository and submitted to the Journal of High Energy Physics, but has not yet been reviewed by the scientific community.


    The experiments have been carried out by the Opera collaboration - short for Oscillation Project with Emulsion (T)racking Apparatus.


    It hinges on sending bunches of neutrinos created at the Cern facility (actually produced as decays within a long bunch of protons produced at Cern) through 730km (454 miles) of rock to a giant detector at the INFN-Gran Sasso laboratory in Italy.


    The initial series of experiments, comprising 15,000 separate measurements spread out over three years, found that the neutrinos arrived 60 billionths of a second faster than light would have, travelling unimpeded over the same distance.


    The idea that nothing can exceed the speed of light in a vacuum forms a cornerstone in physics - first laid out by James Clerk Maxwell and later incorporated into Albert Einstein's theory of special relativity.


    Timing is everything initial analysis of the work by the wider scientific community argued that the relatively long-lasting bunches of neutrinos could introduce a significant error into the measurement.

    Those bunches lasted 10 millionths of a second - 160 times longer than the discrepancy the team initially reported in the neutrinos' travel time.


    To address that, scientists at Cern adjusted the way in which the proton beams were produced, resulting in bunches just three billionths of a second long.
    When the Opera team ran the improved experiment 20 times, they found almost exactly the same result.

    "This is reinforcing the previous finding and ruling out some possible systematic errors which could have in principle been affecting it," said Antonio Ereditato of the Opera collaboration.


    "We didn't think they were, and now we have the proof," he told BBC News. "This is reassuring that it's not the end of the story."


    The first announcement of evidently faster-than-light neutrinos caused a stir worldwide; the Opera collaboration is very aware of its implications if eventually proved correct.


    The error in the length of the bunches, however, is just the largest among several potential sources of uncertainty in the measurement, which must all now be addressed in turn; these mostly centre on the precise departure and arrival times of the bunches.


    "So far no arguments have been put forward that rule out our effect," Dr Ereditato said.
    "This additional test we made is confirming our original finding, but still we have to be very prudent, still we have to look forward to independent confirmation. But this is a positive result."


    That confirmation may be much longer in coming, as only a few facilities worldwide have the detectors needed to catch the notoriously flighty neutrinos - which interact with matter so rarely as to have earned the nickname "ghost particles".


    Next year, teams working on two other experiments at Gran Sasso experiments - Borexino and Icarus - will begin independent cross-checks of Opera's results.


    The US Minos experiment and Japan's T2K experiment will also test the observations. It is likely to be several months before they report back.



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    BBC News - Neutrino experiment repeat at Cern finds same result
     
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    Looks like physics books may have to be rewritten??
     
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    Any military applications for these discoveries?
     
  5. Kunal Biswas

    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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    Indeed, Physics got new dimension, I wish Einstein live to see this, He would have been surprised and contribute in the research..

    Regarding Mili applications, We Humans wont live always on earth, Our Wars eventually move out of this planet once we learn to live on others..
     
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    You mean star wars??
    :cool:

    Just thinking out loud, would there be a concept of nationality once we venture into space?
     
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  7. communismforindia

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    It is fact that the more smaller things get, the faster they must become to keep everything else stable.... so its not much of a news, now we have to see if this technology can be used to actually travel faster than light...
     
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    communismforindia Tihar Jail Banned

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    of course there would be.... I think we should name our country bramhand bharat
     
  9. LETHALFORCE

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    100 years of Physics formulas down the drain. There was speculation that tachyons travelled faster than speed of light before this evidence.

    Tachyon Theory
     
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    Damn, no more...

    wavelength = speed of light /frequency. We are screwed, partially. :p

    wavelength = speed of Neutrinos/frequency ...lame
     
  11. Kunal Biswas

    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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    I don't think personally that their would be specific nation against nation but People..

    Also one more thing, On earth our body due to earth enviorment shape itself, But on other planets condition would be different it will effect human in process of generations, the looks of other humans will be different on different planets due to food, gravity, Air etc, hence giving them their own looks and identity making them unique .. :)
     

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