Terrorist attack on Pathankot Airbase

[Kshatriya87]

No Indian casualties ?

2 Indian soldiers were dead in the initial attacks.

 

[Sakal Gharelu Ustad]

Lots of assumptions there. First one being that elected leaders can drastically change national security policy. These things are long term plans made by defense council and are decades long strategies, between which many governments come and go. For example the decision to cut Pakistan to size was made after the 1965 debacle during Shashtri's time, but was executed in 1971. Same way, the first nuclear tests were done in 1974 during Indira, but further comprehensive tests needed to be done to ascertain our capability which were done during Vajpayee regime. So let's not allow petty political considerations to affect our strategic vision. If a plan is made to fracture Pakistan, it will be executed regardless of who is in power.

There is more to it than just Pakistan and we (we meaning the nation, not BJP or Congress) have steadily pushed in that direction although many people don't seem to notice. There are many examples but just to give you one, Indonesia had offered help to Pakistan during 1965 and 1971, and even offered to capture Andaman island for Pakistan. Look how we have managed to turn them around, we have launched Indonesian satellites last month, we have joint exercises with them and we have plucked Indonesia from Pakistan's sphere of influence and brought them on our side. Iran had also offered help to Pakistan, and see where they stand today. There are more nations that need to be systematically 'sorted out' before we make the final push, so they dare not intervene when a war breaks out with Pakistan.

As far as today's attack is concerned, we had a cook in our hostel mess, whenever we didn't have money to pay him, we'd say 'Khate me likh do, baadme pura hisab karenge' Read: put it on my tab. I'll pay you back later.

And you think Indonesia will not help Pak this time!! India launches satellites far cheaper than others, so in peace time anyone will use that service. In another war with Pak, Ummah will again join the forces against India.

 

[Brood Father]

Yawn...if we don't fight war inside Pakistan we will have to fight it on Indian land. Living in denial and daydreaming will not avoid war.

We will keep on defending and dying and there is nothing we can do about it , we are so coward that we cannot even retaliate , enough of this modi shit ...he is more coward than MMS
We need army rule in India ...politician are shitholes and cannot defend the nation

 

[Kshatriya87]

looks more like that there will be one more big issue before the shit hits the fan but dont think any peace talks could go on or if they still do the modi will loose all that strong leader appeal

No he won't. Most sensible people and modi supporters realise that a diplomatic channel needs to be maintained with pakis at all times.

 

[Sakal Gharelu Ustad]

No he won't. Most sensible people and modi supporters realise that a diplomatic channel needs to be maintained with pakis at all times.

Which means the PM needs to go and kiss Sharif's ass?

 

[Nicky G]

Lots of assumptions there. First one being that elected leaders can drastically change national security policy. These things are long term plans made by defense council and are decades long strategies, between which many governments come and go. For example the decision to cut Pakistan to size was made after the 1965 debacle during Shashtri's time, but was executed in 1971. Same way, the first nuclear tests were done in 1974 during Indira, but further comprehensive tests needed to be done to ascertain our capability which were done during Vajpayee regime. So let's not allow petty political considerations to affect our strategic vision. If a plan is made to fracture Pakistan, it will be executed regardless of who is in power.

There is more to it than just Pakistan and we (we meaning the nation, not BJP or Congress) have steadily pushed in that direction although many people don't seem to notice. There are many examples but just to give you one, Indonesia had offered help to Pakistan during 1965 and 1971, and even offered to capture Andaman island for Pakistan. Look how we have managed to turn them around, we have launched Indonesian satellites last month, we have joint exercises with them and we have plucked Indonesia from Pakistan's sphere of influence and brought them on our side. Iran had also offered help to Pakistan, and see where they stand today. There are more nations that need to be systematically 'sorted out' before we make the final push.

As far as today's attack is concerned, we had a cook in our hostel mess, whenever we didn't have money to pay him, we'd say 'Khate me likh do, baadme pura hisab karenge' Read: put it on my tab. I'll pay you back later.

Everyone makes assumptions, stating that is redundant. The key issue is whether those assumptions are logical or not.

Your primary error is conflating defense policy and its execution. Extrapolation from past gives suboptimal result in the best of cases, in our political context that has changed drastically from the times of '65 and '71, it will likely be utterly mistaken. Two separate nuclear tests have nothing to do with each other. Being a nuclear state and conducting tests to validate designs is not the same as launching war or working a plan to break up a terrorist nation.

Its a grave mistake to take for granted that the execution of policy no matter who is in power. A weak third front government, as seems likely in '19 will never be able to execute tough measures such as the one you proclaim Swamy suggested. Again, you din't answer whether you believe we have been working towards this for over one and a half years or did we just start?

No one is claiming that we have not made advances based on past mistakes. The real problem is our passive nature that only seeks to correct past errors and not prevent future ones or better still cause the enemy to commit mistakes.

We do over 60B USD trade with China, then why are arming ourselves to counter them? Launching satellites means little. Besides, one Indonesia might not be anything to brag about given how we suffered setbacks by China working to encircle us during the MMS regime. We still have setbacks such as in Nepal.

Governments make all the difference in the world. It would be naive to think otherwise.

 

[Kshatriya87]

Question to be asked Wat the f.uck BSF is doing . The Punjab border is heavenly guard . Electrified , infrared camera and motion sensor . Fire some BSF officials

Maybe they were sleeper cells? Just speculating here. Also, pak border is not the only way they come in. Some come from Nepal, some from Bangladesh.

 

[Sabru Foxtrot]

Gun battle has ended atlast. Garuds were at forefront of the Operation along with NSG.

Till now 4 terrorst belonging to a militant organisation have been killed by brutally cornering them into a non technical non operational area. Army had already sealed the entire pathankot area to avoid Terrorist running away. Combing Operations are underway by NSG, police and SWAT and army to search and kill the remaining 2 terrorists.

1 Garud and 2 DSC guards were shot by Terrorists before the gunfight started. RIP.

Watch Videos of #Pathankot Terror Attack at https://t.co/eB2HzE9joh

 

[Sakal Gharelu Ustad]

Everyone makes assumptions, stating that is redundant. The key issue is whether those assumptions are logical or not.

Your primary error is conflating defense policy and its execution. Extrapolation from past gives suboptimal result in the best of cases, in our political context that has changed drastically from the times of '65 and '71, it will likely be utterly mistaken. Two separate nuclear tests have nothing to do with each other. Being a nuclear state and conducting tests to validate designs is not the same as launching war or working a plan to break up a terrorist nation.

Its a grave mistake to take for granted that the execution of policy no matter who is in power. A weak third front government, as seems likely in '19 will never be able to execute tough measures such as the one you proclaim Swamy suggested. Again, you din't answer whether you believe we have been working towards this for over one and a half years or did we just start?

No one is claiming that we have not made advances based on past mistakes. The real problem is our passive nature that only seeks to correct past errors and not prevent future ones or better still cause the enemy to commit mistakes.

We do over 60B USD trade with China, then why are arming ourselves to counter them? Launching satellites means little. Besides, one Indonesia might not be anything to brag about given how we suffered setbacks by China working to encircle us during the MMS regime. We still have setbacks such as in Nepal.

Governments make all the difference in the world. It would be naive to think otherwise.

Forget about Nepal- the puny Maldives is going to give a base to Chines and all under Modi's nose. We could have sent the aircraft carrier there to tell them that we mean business.

 

[Kshatriya87]

The political outreach to Pakistan can be done at the same time as anti-terrorism steps are taken. India must take every step for external and internal defence.

One must understand that a majority of Pakistani want to live peacefully with India. The political process must be oriented towards this majority.

There are extreme and terrorist elements as well in Pakistan and India must take steps to shield itself from those.

hahahaha... who said ? Are you delusional ? Almost all of them will slit your throat if given the chance.

 

[roma]

Im reading from the many interesting and well-written posts above ....... talk about indonesia , iran etc being "turned around" ...and all that are just wishful thinking ....they will use your facilities and pay for it eg space vehicle for their satellites during times of peace as an economic facility

but in war they adopt a totally different mentality as they stand before judgement to answer why they didnt help their brother in the ummah

our best answer to this type of stealth terrorist attack where the gov of Packland claims to know nothing is --- technology ! ....... we have to attack them where it counts and our goi then claim they also don't know anything !

india on our own cannot handle all these matters of terrorism plus china stepping up sinister cooperation with packland

we should take our relationship with israel a lot more seriously, not necessarily to have them on our soil but a heck of a lot more research and joint information operations , we need to connect better with usa on the same and through israel because direct connection does not seem to be working and like the rafael tender except with israel and russia ( probably because they insist ! ) usually most other relationships are like the enron deal ( fortunate for us ) and the rafael deal ( not so fortunate for us )

we also need to play the ummah, shariah and terrorist card with russia to get them to lean more towards us than packland ......

we are not doing enough , we need t do much more in our relationships with both russia, Israel and France too ....those nations are inclined to friendship with us

build technology and hit back at pack, on the quiet

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[Sabru Foxtrot]

‪#‎Pathankot‬ attack Live Update: Three terrorists still holed up in Pathankot Air Base.

Loud explosion heard from inside IAF base.

4 Terrorists, 3 IAF Soldiers Killed In Terror Attack At Air Force Base

 

[Kshatriya87]

I firmly believe that India will have to merge with Pakistan first and Bangladesh later in the next 30-40 years. It is important to create a political basis first.

India doesn't need to merge with anyone. We are okay as it is.

 

[Navneet Kundu]

And you think Indonesia will not help Pak this time!! India launches satellites far cheaper than others, so in peace time anyone will use that service. In another war with Pak, Ummah will again join the forces against India.

What I meant was, if India agreed to co-operate in space tech, they wouldn't have done so if we hadn't secured a tangible leverage over them from a military perspective. What that leverage is, I don't know, but its effect is clearly showing. I'm definitely not saying that they will be nice to us because we were nice to them but launching of satellites, joint military exercises, and other things, are a symbol of underlying strategic convergence. If you notice DAWN news yesterday, Indonesia has pulled out of the Saudi-led 'Muslim alliance' of which Pakistan is a part. These are the kind of dividends that we can squeeze out if we engage nations properly to reinforce their self interest over the interest of the collective Umma.

 

[Kshatriya87]

We will keep on defending and dying and there is nothing we can do about it , we are so coward that we cannot even retaliate , enough of this modi shit ...he is more coward than MMS
We need army rule in India ...politician are shitholes and cannot defend the nation

No we don't need army rule. We just need good government. We are not savages like pakis who get happy when the army takes over. We are a democracy and should remain one. Also, if modi doesn't act now, I would probably agree with you that he might be a coward. But more than MMS? NEVER.

 

[Sabru Foxtrot]

Exclusive Video of IAF Mi-35 Hind Helicopter Aerial firing at Pathankot Terror Attack

 

[Kshatriya87]

Which means the PM needs to go and kiss Sharif's ass?

Never. He doesn't need to do anything. I'm just saying, do not cancel the talks. I'm not saying don't carry out precision strikes. Do it, but at least from our side keep the diplomatic channels open.

 

[Nicky G]

I hope people understand why this target was chosen. Given the current climate and attacks in the West, an attack on soft or unarmed civilian targets garners sympathy for the victim nation.

On the other hand, an attack by jihadis on an air base makes the nation look weak.

No he won't. Most sensible people and modi supporters realise that a diplomatic channel needs to be maintained with pakis at all times.

Diplomatic channels are meaningless for the most part as are silly peace initiatives. You wish for them to continue, fine. My only concern is retaliation for attack on our base. Do that and continue with your talks.

No we don't need army rule. We just need good government. We are not savages like pakis who get happy when the army takes over. We are a democracy and should remain one. Also, if modi doesn't act now, I would probably agree with you that he might be a coward. But more than MMS? NEVER.

How does it matter who is worse if they are both bad? Though have no doubt, this is in may ways worse than Mumbai which were soft targets. This one is an IAF base with Migs.

 

[Sabru Foxtrot]

NSG was sent to the airbase on Friday night long before the attacks by Ajit Doval NSA advice for a possible attack.

News says that NSA had prior intel on this, and deployed NSG in advance. This could have been a lot worse.

What irks me is how Indian media says that those 6-8 men could have "destroyed the air base." They couldn't have, not even with each carrying half their body-weight in C4.

Media just wants to bitch on Modi by saying "you went to their weddings, they almost blew up our air base."

Air assets are stored in fortifications, and the base is vast. There are several hundred armed personnel at any given time.

 

[Sakal Gharelu Ustad]

What I meant was, if India agreed to co-operate in space tech, they wouldn't have done so if we hadn't secured a tangible leverage over them from a military perspective. What that leverage is, I don't know, but its effect is clearly showing. I'm definitely not saying that they will be nice to us because we were nice to them but launching of satellites, joint military exercises, and other things, are a symbol of underlying strategic convergence. If you notice DAWN news yesterday, Indonesia has pulled out of the Saudi-led 'Muslim alliance' of which Pakistan is a part. These are the kind of dividends that we can squeeze out if we engage nations properly to reinforce their self interest over the interest of the collective Umma.

Yes, continue living in your lala land. Iran is Shia and still agreed to lend planes to Pak during '71.

It is not leverage but simple economics. Muslims are killing each other all over the world but that does not mean they hate kafirs any less.