Telangana govt's new clause trips Andhra students

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  1. Ray

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    Telangana govt's new clause trips Andhra students

    HYDERABAD: A new clause introduced by the Telangana government has sealed the fate of 39,000 Andha-origin students who had done their schooling and college education in the new state.

    Chief minister K Chandrasekhar Rao's new parental education clause says Andhraite students who enjoy local status here will only be eligible for fee reimbursement if their parents have also studied in Telangana.

    Experts say this move effectively allows the state to wash off its hands from paying the fee for students whose origins can be traced back to Andhra Pradesh.

    Students whose had been studying in Telangana fall under the local category in the state and non-local category in Andhra Pradesh. This would mean that even if they were to migrate to AP for studies considering their parental origins, they will be eligible only to avail 15% of the non-local quota seats in the state.

    "Students from poor backgrounds will get affected by the parental origin clause. If the government could invite investment from businessmen and entrepreneurs from AP, why should they try to crack down on students from Andhra who fall under the local category by virtue of their long years of studies in Telangana," said P Madhusudan Reddy from the Government Junior College Lecturers' Association.

    The fee reimbursement scheme covers students from SC, ST. OBC and EBC communities with minimal parental income doing their intermediate, under graduate and post graduate studies in the state.

    Those in the know of things said that the crackdown on fee reimbursement scheme has come at a time when the state government is visibly encouraging Andhraite-owned colleges in the state by providing a friendlier environment to run business.


    Telangana CM K Chandrasekhar Rao's new parental education clause says Andhraite students who enjoy local status will only be eligible for fee reimbursement if their parents have also studied in Telangana.

    About 70 out of 372 engineering colleges in Telangana are owned by people from Andhra Pradesh while two of the main intermediate college streams in the state are also owned by Andhraites.

    Representatives of professional college managements said that with Telangana being hostile they are expecting a 15% to 20% drop in admissions this year as students with AP roots might stay away from admissions here.

    "Already students with Andhra origins are migrating to other states like Tamil Nadu for admissions. The new policy will only drive more of them out of Telangana," said Ramesh Nimmatoori from Consortium of Private Professional College Managements' Association.

    Other than Hyderabad, other districts in Telangana, including Nizamabad and Ranga Reddy has a sizable Andhra student population. Engineering admissions are expected to commence in the first week of July.
    Telangana govt's new clause trips Andhra students - The Times of India

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    What is going on?

    This is most ridiculous.

    Telengana has separated from the Union?

    if so, isolate landlocked Telengana and let us see how long it can survive.

    The Nizam and his razakaar could not!
     
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    Ray Sir,
    The Issue is that there are too many versions of this proposal passing around with no way to ascertain which one will be approved by the state govt. KCR seems to be following give enough leaks to public and see how they react theory. That said this will be shot down by Supreme court anyway, as was explained by one BJP leader with out changing the Constitution there is no way KCR can implement this.
    Now one of Versions is that even if the Kid is born in Telangana of non - Telanganite Father , then he is automatically considered a Non Local.
    There is too much Bad blood between Andhra & Telangana Governments that is creating all the problems ( more apt would be between KCR & CBN).
    These guys need to sit down and close the issues once and for all if not it will not just be barricades and fencing between Secretariats , it will be fencing between Andhra and Telangana.
     
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    This mofo KCR still in polling mode, he didn't realize TG just separated from A.P not form Indian union.T.G will stay as it is, the land is not shifted to NORTH AMERICA :taunt1:
     
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    Fee reimbursement is not constitutionally guaranteed. It's a government sop, and just like "fee reimbursement for Dalits," a government can choose who it hands those sops out to, without in any way violating Right to Equality.

    Andhas thought they can get away with the thousands of 'anchor babies' they bred in Hyderabad, who they thought will grow up to get all the benefits of Telangana (jobs, education, etc.). This should be a wake up call to them.
     
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    This move will only stop the educational institutions and Andhra student migrations to Hyderabad, there by shifting the once booming educational institutes back to Andhra.

    . No problem for Andhra, already 900 organizations registered and promised in Andhra Pradesh and more Andhra educational institutes will follow.

    . Before Hyd emerged as a metro city with booming economy Coastal Andhra used to have edge in education and institutes associated with it.
     
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    Do you think andhra's thought that Far ahead, if yes then they would have seen this division coming after 1969. Secondly the so called anchor babies are born in the Capital of Andhra Pradesh which now has morphed into the capital of Telangana , so they have equal rights as any body else in this case . Telangana is still part of India buddy , it has not suddenly become a foreign country to call them anchor babies.

    Secondly coming back to the to the point of fee reimbursement , though I am not enamored by this stupid socialist policy , you still have to be with in the constitution to define local/ Non local . I think this idea of KCR's is not , but this is my personal opinion and I would like our resident lawyers to clarify on this.
     
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    They needn't have seen the division coming. The belief that people of Telangana are somehow inferior and incompetent, is embedded in the Andhra psyche, and that with Andhra pretty much owning governance in Hyderabad in erstwhile AP; it became a foregone conclusion that Andhras could circumvent zonal recruitment rules by simply raising their children here; so they could go on to fill posts in Telangana districts.

    Except that protectionist laws for Telangana applied even to Hyderabad (despite it being the state capital); yet Andhras found ways to circumvent them, and eroded them

    No, they don't. A government sop is a political instrument, not a legal instrument, and its beneficiaries are decided by politicians, not policies or laws.

    And so is, say, Maharashtra. Come back to me when government of Maharashtra extends state-level welfare schemes meant for people of Maharashtra, to all 1.25 billion Indians.

    It needn't. Telangana is a state. After paying off central taxes and duties, its revenue is meant for the welfare of people of Telangana, people native to it, and we have sound legal footing to exclude even Priyanka Vadra's children from state sops (subsidized education, state-level jobs, etc.).

    Some of the most wealthy and prosperous nations in the world don't see free education as stupid socialist policy, and children educated in those "free" systems go on to become Nobel laureates. There's no correlation between socialism and free education. What you call dole, we call investment.

    All it takes is nice infrastructure, and compensating teachers on par with doctors.

    Yes, when the state government is dispensing constitutional entitlements (right to move here, right to live here, right to settle down here, right to acquire property here, right to relish Bawarchi biryani, etc.,). Not when dispensing non-constitutional entitlements, such as poll sops.
     
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    What can kind of mentanility is this .I mean now that u have got state start with positive attitude .

    Look at Iraq or egypt those gov that start with negative vide get destroyed
     
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    If that is right, then why are folks so against the Shiv Sena doing a 'cleansing' of Bombay by first going against the South Indians and now against the cow belt Joes?

    Bengal will then start 'cleansing' of Biharis and UP bhaiyyas.

    No, I don't find this comfortable as an Indian.

    If sops are given, give it to all or give it to none.

    Already there is chaos over the Hindi 'imposition'.

    Are we to divide India?
     
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    We are not cleansing Telangana of Andhras. We're just denying them a poll sop, which is not a constitutional entitlement. Just as hundreds of other political parties, in countless other parts of the country, offered things such as "free education to Dalits" or "free education to Muslims," etc., we're offering - by the same token - free education to a select group of people.

    Andhras are free to live here, and own/buy assets, with the same rights and privileges as you.
     
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    I understand, but I am still not comfortable.

    Mamata Bannerjee, it appears, is already wild that the Biharis and UP chaps in Bengal have voted for BJP and BJP won.

    She is going hammer and tongs against the BJP.

    There is already inter party fights with the Left and many are killed.

    Now with BJP making an in road, there is going to be more violence.

    So, all this worries me.
     
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    And if those 'Andhra' people has voting rights in those places? Then what?

    Or are you going to deny them voting rights too?

    Well, if anything to go by the sentiments running in Vizag, the Andhra people is going to pull a good amount of their investment from Hyd to Vizag and elsewhere in Andhra cities. I think that the morons of Telenga deliberately created a sense of enmity with Andhra which is no way going to benefit them in long run. I don't see the same hostility between Bihari-Jharkhandis or MP-Chattisgarh people I know, as I see between Andhra and Telengana people. The relationships are souring to an extreme by the partisan politics being played by TRS.
     
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    I do not want to engage in the debates with Telanaga people now that the state is divided and both regions will prosper and being an Andhrite I can confidently say Andhra region will be one of the fastest developing state in India.

    But I want to answer some of the misconceptions Telangana leaders want to propagate so that the animosity towards Andhras will be made alive and can be exploited for politics.

    Yes most if the political leaders didn't see the state division coming it is a surprise decision for most of us, But it is not the end of the world for us nor we think we lost some thing in state division.

    Time and again the zonal recruitment policy was debated and the result is that the process is clean and your CM K chandra Sekar rao ran away from debate regarding the developmental figures and recruitment census.

    Where is the statastical proof ?? simple statements like your CM won't work.


    Who the is KCR and co to decide if a person is Telanganite or Andhrite, It depends on Indian constitution.

    Let me tell you one thing, Telangana is just a state in India, not a country ...... Telangana Govt. has to work under Indian constitution.

    Note: I believe this decesion is a boon for Andhra region since most of the educational activity will return to Andhra region from where it went to Hyd in search of opportunites.
     
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    No laws are broken. Telangana isn't the first to give out exclusive sops. Thousands of other instances of exclusive sops were undertaken by nearly every state government, run by nearly every political party.

    That situation is not analogous to this. But yes, we in Telangana would like to actively prevent a situation where Andhra parties such as TDP and YSRCP splash money in Telangana, somehow come to power in 2019, and then play with the status of Telangana. The next 5 years will be spent by TRS in scraping out the last vestiges of TDP and YSRCP in this state.
     
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    He is the elected Chief Minister. And his policy doesn't mention the word "Andhrite" or "Andhra." It mentions an exclusive group of people, whose criteria has been arbitrarily decided (of which he has the liberty to).

    • Indian national
    • Must have completed schooling (6 years or more, including 7th and 10th standards) in the Telangana region of erstwhile AP, produce birth certificate to prove place of birth
    • Any one parent must have completed schooling in Telangana region of erstwhile AP
    If you meet that above criteria, you're eligible for the poll sop. It's irrelevant if you're an Andhra or even a Kashmiri for that matter.

    It just so happens that most of the people who meet the second criterion, but not the third, happen to be from Andhra.

    And, for the umpteenth time, this poll sop is not unconstitutional. It's structured just like other state-level poll sops implemented in other states.

    My best wishes for you.
     
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    If this is applied in other States there will be chaos.

    And Ms Bannerjee is idiotic enough to take this as a precedence!
     
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    Yes a policy aimed at dividing the people in Hyderabad based on regions.

    Not unconstitutional but the motives behind them are clear and known ...... As I said earlier I have np if kcr implements these policies which will only make the economic activity migrate from Hyderabad to Bangalore and Coastal Andhra.

    Thank you :thumb:

    Regarding the mentioning of Indian constitution and all, KCR and co are known for their discrimination.
     

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