Tata Motors wants to build battle tanks

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SP good to read your posts after some time now.

TATAs are definitely one of the few firms which have it in their genes to invest in R&D and come out with new products. Best of luck to them.
 

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Trucks do not matter, but having a foreign weapon system mated to an Indian truck might makes it cheaper for India to buy and for the weapon seller to sell. Moreover, it can serve the purpose of meeting any local content requirements. Many people do that.

is that gonna help india or indian companies to develop indigenous weapons technology ???
these automobile companies always provided vehicles but india need them to make some weapons tech.
 

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AMW is an Jpint Venture company or is it a MNC setting up shop in India.

Their tippers have become very popular.
 

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is that gonna help india or indian companies to develop indigenous weapons technology ???
That will be helpful, but not much.

these automobile companies always provided vehicles but india need them to make some weapons tech.
The question is if India public agrees to pay their early investment in R&D and the crap they produce at the early stage.
 

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AMW is an Jpint Venture company or is it a MNC setting up shop in India.

Their tippers have become very popular.
AMW is owned by relative of Ruia (Essar). Their Tippers are mix n Match, The most common one that you see is a chinese sourced cabin mated to cummin engine with their own(AMW) chasis. Its based out of bhuj
 
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That will be helpful, but not much.



The question is if India public agrees to pay their early investment in R&D and the crap they produce at the early stage.
R&D is any will be taken with help of DRDO/VRDE, just as in case of Kestrel. Which is DRDO/VRDE helped Tata's with design/mechanics and hydraulics suspension.
 

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AMW is already the third largest in HV manufacturing and is whooping Tata and AL's butt left and right. Another reason for their success is buying back of vehicles from huge construction companies after a specific project is completed.
 

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At the very most, TATA could make engines. But I don't see them making entire MBTs. But then they don't trust their own engines, either.

Here's an example. Tata makes its own BS4-compliant small car diesel engine, the 1.4L CR4. This engine powers Indica eV2 and Indigo eCS. Yet the company sources 1.3L MultiJet engine for many of its cars. 1.4L CR4 offers higher fuel efficiency and max power of 71 BHP (compared to 75 BHP on 1.3L MultiJet-FGT). They could have used CR4 engine on at least Indica Vista and Bolt, which has nearly the same power figures and higher mileage, but nooo, they had to source costlier Italian engines, and send some of your money to Rome.
 

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At the very most, TATA could make engines. But I don't see them making entire MBTs. But then they don't trust their own engines, either.

Here's an example. Tata makes its own BS4-compliant small car diesel engine, the 1.4L CR4. This engine powers Indica eV2 and Indigo eCS. Yet the company sources 1.3L MultiJet engine for many of its cars. 1.4L CR4 offers higher fuel efficiency and max power of 71 BHP (compared to 75 BHP on 1.3L MultiJet-FGT). They could have used CR4 engine on at least Indica Vista and Bolt, which has nearly the same power figures and higher mileage, but nooo, they had to source costlier Italian engines, and send some of your money to Rome.
I think its about economies of scale. The Tata and Fiat share engines, assembly lines. Since 1.3 MJD is almost a national diesel engine as its being used in multiple platforms across various companies(Maruti, Tata, Padmini..). It makes sense to use few Tata models which do not see much sales, as the no wont justify development of completely new engine.

Tata Dicor is used in Safari,Aria and upcoming Hexa. They are developing new engines with their Jaguar/Rover team for upcoming high end and mid range cars.

Tata sources its high power engines from Cummins for trucks. Ashok Leyland sources from Cummins/Hino,
They do have their own engines low and mid range powered trucks.
 

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If You Could not. Build good tank by copying LEO 2, I doubt You manage any Better by starting from scratch.
 

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Actually I feel TATA will be a better system integrator then DRDO.

Tata has better network & it's better with collaborating with MSME in other countries.

The current government is working on sharing DRDO testing & research facility with the private sector, so TATA will get the needed infrastructure that is required for developing a Tank.
 

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Greece begins ELVO assets sale

http://www.janes.com/article/44943/greece-begins-elvo-assets-sale
The Greek government has commenced selling the assets of Hellenic Vehicle Industry (ELVO), the state-owned land systems producer that was placed into receivership in January this year.

Accountancy group Ernst & Young - which is acting for the state - announced that it was seeking expressions of interest in assets including ELVO's land and buildings, 11 four-wheel drive military cargo trucks that were built in 2013, and stocks of spare parts.

The property will be sold at a public auction.

ELVO was a designer and constructor of tracked and wheeled military vehicles. It was identified in 2011 as a candidate for sale under the Greek privatisation programme along with Hellenic Aerospace Industry.
ELVO of Greece signs Egyptian agreement despite liquidation

http://www.janes.com/article/51966/elvo-of-greece-signs-egyptian-agreement-despite-liquidation

ELVO is a Greek vehicle manufacturer based in Thessaloniki, Greece. They are producing Leopard 2 Hel MBTs for Hellenic army under licence of Krauss-Maffei Wegmann (KMW), Germany. Tata Motors should buy their whole production line or 51% stake from the Greek Government.
 

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I think its about economies of scale. The Tata and Fiat share engines, assembly lines.
No they don't. FPT (Fiat PowerTrain) has an engine factory in Ranjangaon (Pune dist), that's dozens of miles away from Tata Motors' factory in Pimpri (Pune dist), where Vistas, Bolts, Indicas, and Indigos are assembled.

Since 1.3 MJD is almost a national diesel engine as its being used in multiple platforms across various companies(Maruti, Tata, Padmini..). It makes sense to use few Tata models which do not see much sales, as the no wont justify development of completely new engine.
But they already have that engine, their own 1.4L CR4. It's simpler than 1.3L MJD, and is cheaper to build. Further, the 1.4L CR4 engine offers better fuel-efficiency than 1.3L MJD.

Tata Dicor is used in Safari,Aria and upcoming Hexa. They are developing new engines with their Jaguar/Rover team for upcoming high end and mid range cars.
The so-called VariCor engine has block and camshaft design borrowed from VM Motori, Italy. The only truly-Tata engine for MPVs/SUVs is the 3.0L CR4.

Tata sources its high power engines from Cummins for trucks. Ashok Leyland sources from Cummins/Hino,
They do have their own engines low and mid range powered trucks.
So my point exactly, Tata doesn't even trust its own engines.
 

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