Taller than the mountains, deeper than the oceans, sweeter than honey and all weather friends

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    This thread is dedicated to Taller than the mountains, deeper than the oceans, sweeter than honey and all weather friends; China and Pakistan.
     
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    Air China magazine warns London visitors to avoid ethnic minority areas

    Even for China, where companies have struggled with race issues in their marketing previously, the latest inflight magazine from the country's flagship airline will likely come as a shocker.


    Air China's Wings of China carries a long feature on visiting London, with almost a third of the magazine dedicated to tourist attractions in Britain's capital and other famous towns such as Oxford. The main article, titled "London the city of 'hat tricks'," covers Brits' apparent fondness for all kinds of hats.

    Then, after a section on transport options and lifestyle and cultural activities in London, Wings of China offers some "Tips from Air China."

    "London is generally a safe place to travel, however precautions are needed when entering areas mainly populated by Indians, Pakistanis and black people," China's flagship carrier advises. "We advise tourists not to go out alone at night, and females always to be accompanied by another person when traveling."

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    "Tips from Air China" on safety when visiting London
    The advice is at odds with the London promoted by its Mayor Sadiq Khan, a Brit with Pakistani parents, who in July launched a #LondonisOpen campaign and frequently blogs about his favorite places to eat and drink in his South London Indian-Pakistani neighborhood of Tooting.

    Meanwhile, Britain is an increasingly popular destination for Chinese tourists. According to government agency VisitBritain, more than 270,000 Chinese visited Britain in 2015, up 46 percent on the previous year. This was after the number of Chinese tourists doubled in the five years to 2014. Chinese visitors spent 586 million pounds ($786 million) in total in Britain in 2015, up 18 percent on 2014.

    And in January, Britain launched a new, two-year, multiple-entry visa in a bid to woo even more Chinese visitors to its shores, following changes made in 2015 that allowed tourists and business travelers to apply for both British and European visas in a single process.

    Chinese companies have been criticized previously for their depictions of various races. In May, a Chinese laundry detergent-maker apologized for an advertisement that showed an Asian woman shoving a dirt-smeared black man into a washing machine, only for him to emerge as a clean Asian man.

    Some Western media called the ad, which ran on Chinese social media platforms, "the most racist commercial ever."

    Air China did not respond to CNBC's request for comment on its London safety tips

     
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    From frame 35:00 onwards, Chinese say that investment on returns are guaranteed by GOP and interest rate in are as high as 33%.......... looks like for these things, CPEC agreement is still secret.
     
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    AKISTAN POLICE BREAK FINGERS OF CHINESE ENGINEERS FOR WORKING HARD
    29 August, 2016 Rajinder S
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    MULTAN: China is investing over 46 Billion Dollar in China-Pakistan Economic Corridor project (CPEC) and sending its own engineers and workers to manage the projects as Pakistan is not known for professional work culture. That, however, did not stop the Pakistani Police from brutally beating Chinese engineers working on CPEC Multan-Sukkar Motorway because the latter stayed late to finish the work assigned.

    Interestingly, the police was deployed at the Chinese camp for their own security from the Jehadi militants infesting the region.

    Police insiders disclosed that two Chinese engineers sustained major injuries while the rest received minor injuries in Moza Chaddhar in Shujaabad. The said police smashed the fingers of Chinese engineer Leu while Chwoo received serious injuries on his back. Multan police had demanded bribe from chinese workers but were rebuffed. CPO Azhar Ikram was investigating the matter.

    Also Read: Pakistan refuses Visa to Indian Peaceniks
    Chinese engineers continued work Tuesday night at 11:30pm and decided to stay at the base camp that night. Chief Security Office Inspector Yousaf Haroon, appointed for their security, raised objection to their stay without an NOC and demanded that they leave the site. The Chinese told the police that they had to stay to finish the work.



    Acting Multan SP Operations Rizwan Ahmed said at a press conference on Wednesday that the matter did not concern him.China plans to bring its own security teams to safeguard its workers employed in Pakistan.

    Pakistan’s Interior Minister Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan had earlier said that the government of Pakistan attached high importance to the security of Chinese workers who are engaged in construction of China Pak Economic Corridor (CPEC) projects and will provide police protection to them.


    http://mahapunjab.com/pakistan-police-breaks-fingers-chinese-engineers/
     
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    Nice..Good StartUp..
    I hope this becomes a million dollar thread within a few days!
     
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    Resentment mounts against growing Chinese presence in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir, Gilgit-Baltistan

    ILGIT/GENEVA: Anger is rising in Gilgit-Baltistan and Pakistan-occupied Kashmir (PoK) over both Pakistan and China exploiting their resources in a reckless manner for selfish economic gain.


    The residents are strongly opposing the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor+ (CPEC) as it has failed to provide any tangible benefits to them.

    China is investing over 40 billion dollars for its ambitious 3,000-km-long economic corridor+ that will link western China to southern Pakistan through a network of roads, railway lines and pipelines.

    The project is being touted as bringing about a spectacular socio-economic change in the region, but alienated residents currently feel that both China and Pakistan are past masters in lies and deceit, as before firming up the project, all stakeholders were not consulted.

    "People want that at least they should be informed about the project, be taken into confidence so that they get to know what all benefits they will get from this project. We fear that this should not happen as if we sit idle and only count the number of trucks coming from China side and not benefit even a bit," said Abdul Rehman Bukhari.

    Pakistan, which suffers from a huge power crisis, draws its electricity mostly from Gilgit-Baltistan, but ironically none of the power projects have presence in the region - thus depriving Gilgit of potential royalties.

    Activists and locals have raised concerns that CPEC project will create a huge ecological imbalance+ . Locals are dejected as presence of Chinese workers in the region has left them without jobs.

    The CPEC is being seen as a sheer attempt to exploit the resource-rich region.

    "They are constructing 60 economic zones as per the CPEC project, but none of these zones exist in Gilgit-Baltistan and Pakistan-occupied Kashmiri. The CPEC will pass through these areas, but they are only constructing an army headquarter in Diamer for the security of the corridor. But out of $40 million to be spent on the project, there is no investment in Gilgit-Baltistan and PoK," said Mohd Naeem Khan, leader of the Kashmir National Party.

    China has its economic interest in disputed Gilgit-Baltistan and PoK region. It is engaged in construction, ranging from dams and highways to ports.

    There is a growing resentment among locals over China's presence in the region. To fulfill the requirements of the project, the government and the army are forcibly acquiring the ancestral land of the locals in Gilgit-Baltistan.

    Senge H Sering, director, Gilgit-Baltistan National Congress, said, "When Pakistan Army was constructing Karakoram highway along with China, no compensation was given to affected people. No loss assessment was made. Now, the land acquirement for the CPEC project is being done forcibly. The ancestral land of the people cannot be acquired without paying them compensation and earning their consent. But, the Gilgit-Baltistan government and Pakistan Army are forcibly acquiring the ancestral land of the people."

    In an effort to provide legal cover to the multi-billion dollar Chinese investments, Pakistan is even considering elevating the constitutional status of Gilgit-Baltistan. However, the local population is completely against it.

    Gilgit-Baltistan region was illegally acquired by Pakistan in 1947. Since then the beleaguered region has suffered badly as the administration has failed miserably to provide basic facilities to the local population.

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...mir-Gilgit-Baltistan/articleshow/53489167.cms
     
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    China can mistreat Muslims, but others can’t?

    Since childhood, we have grown up listening, reading and watching the tales of Pak-China friendship. We were told that Pak-China friendship is ‘sweeter than the sweetest honey, higher than the Himalayas and deeper than the seas.

    We were continuously reminded that Israel, USA and India are enemies of Pakistan, Islam and Muslims and they would take any step to extinguish Muslims from the face of earth. Our curriculum, television channels, newspapers and mullahs propagated the same at every occasion. Every other day, we witness rallies and protests condemning these countries for their treatment of Muslims. If an Indian, US or Israeli somehow slaps a Muslim, even that becomes the world’s most important issue for us and the ghairat (honour) of Muslims – especially Pakistanis – lights up.

    All sects and people from all ages start condemning the horrific incident and demand that the government cuts off all diplomatic ties with that particular country.


    However, we have never witnessed this in case of China – a country that has been given indemnity by us. The treatment of Muslims by the Chinese government largely borders on cruelty but none of the Pakistanis dare to speak a single word against it. :rofl::rofl:This simply means that our ghairat has different standards. It doesn’t feel anything when the Chinese maltreat Muslims but same ghairat is very critical about the treatment of Muslims in rest of the world:rofl:. In the past few years, no government has maltreated Muslims more than the Chinese but we all are lulled about it.:laugh::pound:

    There is a long list of such incidents in which the Muslims of China are being targeted for their religious orientation. Imams are being forced to dance:balleballe:, fasting has been banned, women cannot wear veils and growing beards can land you in trouble. These are just a few of the many incidents which depict how Muslims are being oppressed in communist China.

    Now let’s come to the be-ghairat (dishonourable) brigade’s standards of ghairat. The brigade is always up against the tyrannies of Israel, US and India. They never consider that religious freedom in all these countries is much more than what their long standing friend is offering to its citizens generally and Muslims especially.

    They never utter a single word against China. From the government and parliamentarians to the religious scholars and the common man, everyone is quiet.

    However, I have a few questions.

    When we are quick to feel the pain of Muslims living in other parts of world, why can’t we feel it for the Muslims of China?

    Why is the oppression of Muslims by the Chinese government all right for us whereas a slight sense of injustice by other countries makes us boil with rage?

    When will we stop our double standards and act fairly?

    Our hypocrisy is what lands us in trouble every time. It is high time that we leave our double standards and act rationally and fairly in every situation. If any wrong thing is being done by our friend, we should stand up against it and if any right thing is being done by our enemy, we should praise it.

    http://blogs.tribune.com.pk/story/27419/china-can-mistreat-muslims-but-others-cant/
     
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    'If you tell them you are Pakistani, they won't give you the flat': Finding a Hong Kong home is battle against prejudice for ethnic minorities

    Bushra Khaliq and her five-year-old daughter's 150 sq ft flat in Cheung Sha Wan did not come easy. She was rejected by numerous landlords just because of her skin colour or nationality.

    "I found it really difficult to find a house as an ethnic minority," said Khaliq, 31, who came to Hong Kong from Pakistan in 2009 for an arranged marriage.


    "They really discriminate against you. They will ask your nationality. If you tell them you are Pakistani, they will just say they don't want to give their flat to a Pakistani."


    She said many landlords turned her away even after she showed them her passport, her job certificates and other related documents. Sometimes they rejected her immediately after seeing her skin colour, she added.

    She spent about four months looking around before she found her current flat. She said before she found her previous flat, her friend's husband, who could speak Cantonese, needed to tell the landlord that she was not from Pakistan to gain the landlord's approval.

    Khaliq is one of the 17 ethnic minority women of different ages and from different walks of life in Hong Kong featured in minority advocacy group Unison's photo exhibition She says.

    source: South China Morning Post
    http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/...are-pakistani-they-wont-give-you-flat-finding
     
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    There was this chapta policy of not issuing visas to individual paki citizens -chinese visas were issued to pakis travelling in groups only. Not sure if this is still the case.
     
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    How viable is the CPEC?

    Calculations tell us that shipping through Gwadar port is costlier and more time consuming than transporting through seas, and distance between Pakistani cities and Chinese cities is as much as the distance between Pakistani cities and major European cities. Thus, if there is no land route trade happening between Europe and Pakistan, then certainly no trade will happen between china and Pakistan on a large scale. And anything which is cheaper and quicker is always preferred, which is not the case for transporting through Gwadar and Kashghar by road.

    Cost comparison for viability of CPEC.

    Distance between Shanghai and Kashghar = 5121 Km
    Distance between Kashghar and Gwadar = 2747 Km

    Average Trucking cost per Ton per Km in China = 7 cents. (at 2007 tariffs)
    Average Trucking cost per Ton per Km in Pakistan = 3 cents.

    This is the most conservative calculation not taking into account Hazard premium that nature of Terrain imposes on Pakistan (Karakoram Highway is rated world's fourth most dangerous highway The hazard premium that China has to pay for transporting good through Takla Makan Desert , Kulun Shan mountains range, and Altai Shan mountain range.

    But still let us calculate cost of transporting a Ton of goods from Shanghai to Gwadar.

    Cost incurred in Chinese territory = 0.07 X 5121 = $358.47
    Cost incurred in Pakistani territory = 0.03 X 2747 = $82.41

    So total cost from Shanghai to Gwadar for a ton of goods by road = $440.88 or approx Rs 50,000 PKR per ton.


    (Since Pakistan doesn't export high value goods but mainly low value textiles, the cost of transportation itself will far more than the cost of production! Thus Pak exports to China via the CPEC will be a non starter!)

    Now let destination port be Dubai.


    Cost of Transporting 1 Ton via sea from Dubai to Shanghai via Malacca = $28.93
    Cost of Transporting 1 Ton from via sea from Karachi to Dubai = $5.787

    Therefore, total cost of Shipping a Ton from Shanghai to Dubai via Gwadar = $446.67.


    But the total cost of Shipping directly by sea from Shanghai to Dubai via Malacca = $28.93 which is 16 times less than that of Transporting via Gwadar!!!

    Heck, the total cost of Transport from Gwadar to the Chinese border is more than what would be required for Transport from Dubai to Shanghai by sea!


    And then, eleven old coal fired plants are being transferred by China to Pakistan as part of the CPEC where the Chinese themselves are turning to renewal sources of energy like nuclear power and thus dumping these coal plants to Pakistan. The cost of power in Pakistan is presently Rs 7 PKR (average) per unit. The Chinese will peg that between Rs 18 - Rs 22 per unit as these private Chinese construction companies have borrowed heavily from the Chinese Central Bank and other lending institutions which they have to pay back with interest. It's the Pakis who would be paying for this not the Chinese who will only rake in the profits! Would the ordinary Paki be able to pay this kind of tariff? Not a chance in hell!

    The truth is that the CPEC is basically meant as an alternative route to China in case of any disruption in the Strait of Malacca. However, more importantly, Gwadar is being developed by the Chinese to establish a PLAAN base there and the CPEC is being built basically for its logistics support.

    A Chinese naval base at Gwadar will enable them to dominate the Strait of Hormuz as well as the IOR region. For Pakistan it would be an insurance policy against any Indian naval attack on its facilities due to the Chinese naval presence at Gwadar.
     
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    Since Pakistanis are spooked and not able to talk, their higher than mountain highest mountain and deeper than deepest sea , sweeter than sweetest substance friend is expressing their friend China is talking on their behalf.

    Are there any drug rackets that are working for China ? why this worry ?

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...onal-Chinese-experts/articleshow/54790398.cms

    India's decision to seal Pakistan border irrational: Chinese experts
     
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    It is deep indeed, very very deep. I hope you understand what I'm saying.:love:
     
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    Your argument is very flawed. The corridor with rail ,roads and pipelines can serve western inland provinces only, not necessarily covering the eastern coastal (Shanghai etc.) too while being complementary to sea routes.

    The landlocked hinterlands in addition to neighboring Central Asian stans can use Gwadar seaport as a gateway from/ to Mid East and Europe and Africa at lower costs than via eastern ports.

    The whole East Coast of China is well developed already, not just a few big names like Hong Kong Shanghai and Dalian. Meantime owing to logistic restraints, the deep western inland part is generally lagging behind with untapped potential. That is why China is exploring Myanmar for pipelines and railways to SW China (Yunnan) and CPeC for NW (Xinjiang).

    With completion of such sea gateways many industries such as crude refinery and chemistry can be deployed to inland with convenient supply chains of raw materials and finished products.

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    An automobile factory has been set up at the border with Myanmar.
     
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    So chinese Western inland province will develope a huge industrial base for prosperity. And they will have Pakistan as a captive customer thanks to cpec Pakistan will not be able to complete with even elementary Chinese product let alone heavy engineering industries. Pakistani govt can not play tariff game with china because of so called friendship.
    Conclusion== Pakistan will never be industrialized.
    Paki will influx in Xinjiang for jobs in industrial areas and will then do what they do best ---sucide bombing :biggrin2:

    Good going.

    By the way gwadar port will also bring Indian goods from Dubai and middle East at much cheaper rates than Karachi. Further decimating paki industry
     
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    Neither it has military connotations nor it is viable business model. China is dumping its money and getting higher returns and jobs for its people. Its called 'Sarmayedaari" in local language, lending money to earn interest. Pakistanis have no other option but to oblige as 'India enemy' straw-man has become main stream school of thought.

    Pakistan already have this road and now China is doing so called upgrade making ESZ along with it.

    Though my understanding of economics is pedestrian but what little I understand is that in a typical business model the market decides the quantum of investment especially government investment . Pakistan's market strengths is well known as many of the markers like fiscal deficit, trade imbalance, GDP, industrial output, export stats etc are on downward trend. @pmaitra @Sakal Gharelu Ustad @Blackwater @sayareakd @LETHALFORCE and all other good members who understand these topics better.

    I have yet to find a single Pakistani economist explaining Pakistan's growth predictions and demand projections justifying CEPC. It looks like another ghost city like project where Pakistan is paying the hefty interest.
     
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    if India wanna dump goods to Pakistan or elsewhere, u don"t need Gwadar. there're many existing routes. Gwadar is part of the master plan alongside with infra and power projects.

    industrialization comes hand in hand with HSR and 24x7 power supply like China. jointly we are targeting ME and C. Asian markets and beyond.

    Also eyeing extention to Iran.

    if u do browse u'll find a Chinese industrial park in Lahore Pakistan for home appliance JVs.
     
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    It is a fact due to strained relationship most of Indian goods are imported into Pakistan via Dubai. More ports means more import.
     
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    No it doesn't when you have excellent transportation and favorable import regime with a giant like China which is wrestling with overcapacity issues.

    Chinese industry while growing was not competing with another Chinese industry.

    Pakistani population far exceeds central Asia it will be the primary target of cheap Chinese goods.

    And oh Iran with an opening economy will create more robust industrial base than Pakistan could ever manage .If it joins cpec that means even more imports for Pakistan :bounce:
     
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    Can you please explain details about time taken originally and via CPEC. Also comparison about train transport.
     

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