Taliban launch major attack on Pakistani prison, free 300 inmates

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What if these 1000 Taliban are trained by SSG (Army) of Pakistan with ISI funding against Indian Army? Pakistan SSG are one of the best trained commandos in the world and are even deployed in middle eastern countries for commando operations. They also helped Mujahideen forces against Soviet Spetnaz during Soviet Afghan war (Battle for Hill 3234).
Correction, the SSG rather ex-SSG,ex-ISI who were against Mush joining forces with the US back in 2001 left their services and ended up joining these fanatics. Probably good for the ISI because they can say "hey these guys were SSG,ISI not anymore,what they do post service is not our fault",they then end up using them for whatever they do with the Taliban.

Two examples were brothers Khurram and Haroon Ashiq,both officers and both ex-SSG. One brother was part of the group that trained the Mumbai attackers,the other killed his own ex-CO Gen. Amir Faisal Alavi.

It seems its more of a trend now, if the ISI backed terror clowns need military assistance well you suddenly see a few resignations in the SSG claiming "we are against our govt joining hands with the US which has led to instability,drone strikes".
 
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1/3 of the entire SSG was surrendered in 1971, in east Pakistan, another feather in their cap. They tried very hard to hide this fact.
True but at times elite units have failed or have had victories with lot of collateral damage for ex the Spetsnaz. The SSG weren't so successful in Indo-Pak wars but it can't be denied that they are a very well trained,elite unit and its best to be prepared for them, which our boys are.
 

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Ulltimately every country has brave men who will fight and so does Pakhanastan. It is not merely the bravery of men that wins wars when the adversary has overwhelming firepower. What the Pakistani army has got is formidable firepower - but most of it is funded by the army grabbing 20 to 40% of the Paki budget while the US pays dollars and gives arms to get those dollars back.

For India it is crucial to ensure that US support and funding of the Paki army is reduced. A Taliban takeover will certainly help, but failing that a continuing civil war with the Taliban is useful. But eventually Pakistan needs Islam. Remember the map of vomit colored countries that Farhan posted? That can come true only when the Taliban take over Pakistan. Pakistan now has a saffron tinge and its people act and speak like Hindus.
 

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Jailbreak: it wasn't an intelligence failure for once

IF it was for intelligence information, Dera Ismail Khan's Central Prison debacle should not have happened.

On July 27, a letter marked "secret" and "most immediate" by the country's intelligence agency addressed to the commissioner, deputy commissioner, deputy inspector general of police, district police officer and the superintendent of Dera Ismail Khan central jail, stated: "It has been reliably learnt that miscreants namely Umer Khitab and his associates affiliated with Gandapur Group/TTP are planning to carry out terrorist attack against Central Jail – Dera Ismail Khan on the pattern similar to Bannu jailbreak in near future. According to information, miscreants are in possession of sketch/map of Jail and have reached in the vicinity of Dera Ismail Khan for this purpose."

The letter went out the day skirmishes broke out inside the prison between prisoners and guards, which say some security officials, was probably the day the attack could have been launched.

To ensure that the letter reached its destination, properly signed receipts were also obtained from offices of the respective officers mentioned in the letter.

The warning was followed by another demarche to Khyber Pakhtunkhwa the following day, on July 28, from the National Crisis Management Cell, Ministry of Interior, Islamabad. The letter marked "secret" and "most immediate" "Threat Alert 699" said: "It has been learnt through reliable source that Umer Khitab, along with TTP elements, are planning to carry out Bannu jailbreak-like attack on Dera Ismail Khan Central Prison and for this purpose, the group has reached the vicinity of Dera Ismail Khan."

The letter went to the KP Home Secretary, Peshawar, Provincial Police Officer, Additional Chief Secretary Fata, Inspector General of Frontier Corps, Inspector General, Prison, KP and Commandant Frontier Constabulary, KP, Peshawar.

To reinforce the urgency of the matter further, officers were again warned through text messages on Sunday to take appropriate security measures. As a consequence, civil and military officers visited the prison to work out a security plan. The home secretary followed up on the threat.

On July 29, hours before the most audacious attack on the prison located in the middle of a populated area, the Dera commissioner held a conference of all law-enforcement agencies and the civil administration to discuss the issue.

The intelligence was not merely confined to information about gathering of militants in Dera. The administration was warned that militants would be launching a three-pronged attack from Sabzi Mandi, Girls Degree College and Town Hall where they parked their 14 vehicles.

Also, the administration was told that militants might blow up power transmission line to cause a blackout and they were in possession of night vision goggles.

Additionally, they were told that the convergence of hardcore militants in 12-A Barrack inside the prison was a recipe for disaster and that immediate steps be taken for their dispersal. As it happened, 105 jail guards and 75 men from the Frontier Reserve Police (FRP) were least prepared to forestall the ferocious attack with rocket-propelled grenades, time devices, other explosives and heavy firearms.

The attack took place at around 11.30pm and went on till 2am – three hours with one hour inside the jail compound. The militants equipped with megaphones called out names of their brothers-in-faith and broke open their cells with explosive devices, all the while raising slogans of Allah-o-Akbar and TTP Zindabad. Then they went on a slaughtering spree, beheading four inmates, taking away heads of two of them.

In all, by the last count, 248 prisoners have escaped, among them 30 hardcore militants, including Qari Asif and Khalil, the group involved in bombing in Dera Ismail Khan that had left 25 mourners dead on the ninth and tenth of Muharram last year.

Law-enforcement agencies scrambled and the army was called in but what they found in pitched darkness were bodies of the slain prison guards, slaughtered and beheaded inmates, a strong stench of explosives and smouldering lockups. The hundred or so militants, along with a horde of escaped prisoners, melted away amid the ensuing mayhem and confusion. The incident has thus become the biggest jailbreak in Pakistan's history.

NO LESSONS LEARNT: That no lessons were learnt from the Bannu jailbreak hardly comes as a surprise. Pakistanis as a nation, it appears, never learn from history, but what boggles the mind is that the administration would take its time to prepare for an assault which, it thought would come at a time of their choosing, said one official. They were upstaged by militants.

The irony is, according to a senior official, the civil and military authorities had done mock exercises, assigned specific tasks and roles and worked out a clear standard operating procedure of who was to do what. "On paper everything was worked out meticulously to prepare for both day and night assault. It was a video game played out in real time," the official said.

What seems more bizarre, the minutes of the meeting presided over by the commissioner were properly recorded. "Everybody had taken the threat alert seriously," the official said.

Light machinegun-mounted armoured personnel carriers and mobiles of the Elite Police force were deployed and guards deployed on rooftops.

But what happened was even more unbelievable. When the attack came, the mobiles disappeared along with the Elite force which was to stop the assault. The district police officer went to seek help from the brigade commander, but neither showed up. "The gun was there, but there was no one to pull the trigger," an official said.

There was no breach of wall of the prison. The main gate remains intact and the guard manning the gate told investigators that when he saw the militants blowing up the APC and when they approached the gate and ordered him to open it he had no option but to open it. The militants walked in, made announcements on the megaphones and took away their men.

And to cap it all, the statements of the KP chief minister and his hand-picked Information Minister Shaukat Yousafzai that no intelligence was shared with KP on the Dera jail assault were brazenly misleading and untrue. "We could not have been more specific," said an angry security official. It was incompetence and lack of preparedness, he said.

The answer to Dera jail debacle was not setting up another intelligence agency within the police at a cost of Rs3 billion, as the PTI chairman said on Tuesday as clearly, the intelligence was there. It was a tactical failure.

The Elite Police which had been assigned the task to guard the prison in view of the intelligence did not respond when the attack came. Neither was this an intelligence failure nor coordination failure. It was a failure of nerves and it all boils down to one stark reality: cowardice.
Jailbreak: it wasn't an intelligence failure for once - DAWN.COM
 

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The Pakistan army is a terrorist army and I do not support them I support anyone who opposes them. The Taliban are good Muslims. They practice Islam as per the book. I support good Muslims.
you like any one tha apposses Pak Army thats understandable. The Taliban defy the basics of the BOOK which prohibits the killing of Innocents
 

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you like any one tha apposses Pak Army thats understandable. The Taliban defy the basics of the BOOK which prohibits the killing of Innocents
The key things here are
1. the decision of who is innocent and who is not
2. The fact that killing is allowed for those who are declared guilty.

For kafirs there is an excellent pdf file, probably written by a jew, and linked below that explains how Islamic decisions about "guilty" and "innocent" are not arrived at from one BOOK but from three sources, ie. the Quran, the Sira and the Hadiths

This is a link to the pdf
http://cspipublishing.com/statistical/pdf/Statistical_Islam.pdf

The innocent in one of these sources, could be guilty as per another one.

This is very convenient for those who seek to impose Islamic law - be they mullahs or mujahids. Some clause or other can be found to declare someone guilty and another clause to say that he will face death and then he promptly faces death.

As long as there are an excess of kafirs, everyone is in agreement that methods can be found to subjugate or slay them. In 1947 Pakistan had 20% Hindus, Sikhs and Christians. it is 3% now. But the fun really starts now. Once the obvious kafirs were eliminated new kafirs had to be found. New Pakistanis who were not pure, or Pakhi enough. First Ahmedis were declared non Muslims. Then Shias. It is not just kafir India that these pakis, Taliban or terrorist army, are after. It is Shias as well Shias are an easier target than kafir India which bites back, but I digress. Even in Punjab the Lashkar e Jhangvi is allowed to survive - even supported by Nawaz Sharif's "party"

There is too much hypocrisy in Pakistan to admit the truth. Everyone is happy just to declare India the enemy while they go about killing each other. This is actually a very good thing for India and few things have made me happier than Pakistan's condition in the last 10 years. But Pakistan has not gone down far enough. It needs to get worse before it gets better. Islam is the best thing for Pakistan and Pakistan needs pure Islam. There is too much saffron in Pakistan even now. 5000 years of history cannot be rubbed out in 60 years. Clearly there is some (violent) debate in Pakistan about what is the purest form of Islam and the Taliban are simply telling us about Islam as they know it.

For us kafirs outside Pakistan, we do not hear any Pakistani or anyone from any Islamic state, be it Saudi, Iran or Indonesia declare the kilings and massacres in Pakistan as unIslamic. So the only conclusion we can reach is that Pakistan really is Islamic and being good Muslims involves massacring people and suicide bombers blowing himself up in mosques or near other people. He will get 72 houris, as long he takes care to wrap his precious male organ in tinfoil and bathe in scent before he dies. Even Air Commodore Haider notes in his book that as squadron commander in 1965 he asked for buckets of cologne to be used for pilots to smell sweet if they should die in battle - so they would smell sweet in heaven. I must scan that page and put it up sometime. If the PAF was like that in 1965, what to say of the Taliban? They are good Muslims and no one is saying that they are not. Let me hear you say that the Taliban are not good Muslims on this forum.
 
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The key things here are
1. the decision of who is innocent and who is not
2. The fact that killing is allowed for those who are declared guilty.

For kafirs there is an excellent pdf file, probably written by a jew,
HOW CREDIBLE! :D
and linked below that explains how Islamic decisions about "guilty" and "innocent" are not arrived at from one BOOK but from three sources, ie. the Quran, the Sira and the Hadiths

This is a link to the pdf
http://cspipublishing.com/statistical/pdf/Statistical_Islam.pdf

The innocent in one of these sources, could be guilty as per another one.

This is very convenient for those who seek to impose Islamic law - be they mullahs or mujahids. Some clause or other can be found to declare someone guilty and another clause to say that he will face death and then he promptly faces death.
It is called wrong interpretation!! :D
As long as there are an excess of kafirs, everyone is in agreement that methods can be found to subjugate or slay them.
No muslim who has the least knowlege of Islam will say that kafirs should be killed
In 1947 Pakistan had 20% Hindus, Sikhs and Christians. it is 3% now.
Maybe they converted, after all Islam is the fastest growing religion
But the fun really starts now. Once the obvious kafirs were eliminated new kafirs had to be found. New Pakistanis who were not pure, or Pakhi enough. First Ahmedis were declared non Muslims.
They were declared because they don't even believe in the basic Kalima
Then Shias. It is not just kafir India that these pakis, Taliban or terrorist army, are after. It is Shias as well Shias are an easier target than kafir India which bites back, but I digress. Even in Punjab the Lashkar e Jhangvi is allowed to survive - even supported by Nawaz Sharif's "party"
Army is killing Shias? Then why are there senior shia officers in Army
There is too much hypocrisy in Pakistan to admit the truth. Everyone is happy just to declare India the enemy while they go about killing each other. This is actually a very good thing for India and few things have made me happier than Pakistan's condition in the last 10 years. But Pakistan has not gone down far enough. It needs to get worse before it gets better. Islam is the best thing for Pakistan and Pakistan needs pure Islam. There is too much saffron in Pakistan even now. 5000 years of history cannot be rubbed out in 60 years. Clearly there is some (violent) debate in Pakistan about what is the purest form of Islam and the Taliban are simply telling us about Islam as they know it.

For us kafirs outside Pakistan, we do not hear any Pakistani or anyone from any Islamic state, be it Saudi, Iran or Indonesia declare the kilings and massacres in Pakistan as unIslamic. So the only conclusion we can reach is that Pakistan really is Islamic and being good Muslims involves massacring people and suicide bombers blowing himself up in mosques or near other people. He will get 72 houris, as long he takes care to wrap his precious male organ in tinfoil and bathe in scent before he dies. Even Air Commodore Haider notes in his book that as squadron commander in 1965 he asked for buckets of cologne to be used for pilots to smell sweet if they should die in battle - so they would smell sweet in heaven. I must scan that page and put it up sometime. If the PAF was like that in 1965, what to say of the Taliban? They are good Muslims and no one is saying that they are not. Let me hear you say that the Taliban are not good Muslims on this forum.
TTP ARE TAKFIRI KAFIRS

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Army is killing Shias? Then why are there senior shia officers in Army
TTP ARE TAKFIRI KAFIRS]
The army is complicit in not taking any action to stop such killing. Or else they are helpless - you take your pick Either way Pakistan's predicament gives me joy

And the Taliban think your army buddies are kafirs

All of us who watch Pakistan from the outside know that it was created for Muslims. It is now 97% Muslims - you say because of conversion of non Muslims. Fair enough. But still you have people caliing each other kafirs (as you have yourself done) and killing each other. So this is what being Muslim is all about .This is the gift of Islam. Convert or kill. Convert and kill. It may be fastest growing but it is also being eliminated fastest. Muslims are calling each other kafirs and slaughtering each other. Muslims are being slaughtered by each other in Pakistan and Iraq. Musims are being slaugheterd by Indians according to Pakistanis. And they are being slaugheterd by Americans, again according to Pakistanis.

Can you please say how this conclusion is wrong?
 
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The following images confirm an impression I had.

Indian soldiers are beefier and better fed then their bhookanaga Pakistani counterparts - aside from that paunch unfit Paki
Paki soldiers doing work


Indian soldiers doing work
 

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The following images confirm an impression I had.

Indian soldiers are beefier and better fed then their bhookanaga Pakistani counterparts - aside from that paunch unfit Paki
Paki soldiers doing work


Indian soldiers doing work
:rofl: Thats pakistani police hahahaha
and yeah most pakistan police are quite chubby. Infact there was a campaign led by the IGP punjab. He ordered the police personell to lose wait or lose their jobs :D
 

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The army is complicit in not taking any action to stop such killing. Or else they are helpless
Army is not responsible for internal security!
- you take your pick Either way Pakistan's predicament gives me joy

And the Taliban think your army buddies are kafirs

All of us who watch Pakistan from the outside know that it was created for Muslims. It is now 97% Muslims - you say because of conversion of non Muslims. Fair enough. But still you have people caliing each other kafirs (as you have yourself done) and killing each other. So this is what being Muslim is all about .This is the gift of Islam. Convert or kill. Convert and kill.
Wrong Islam forbids forcefull conversion!
It may be fastest growing but it is also being eliminated fastest. Muslims are calling each other kafirs and slaughtering each other. Muslims are being slaughtered by each other in Pakistan and Iraq. Musims are being slaugheterd by Indians according to Pakistanis. And they are being slaugheterd by Americans, again according to Pakistanis.

Can you please say how this conclusion is wrong?
Atleast you agreed that muslims are being persecuted! Nevertheless We are still the fastest growing religion in the World. According to some reports UK will be a muslim country In a decade or so! :D
 

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Army is not responsible for internal security!
Atleast you agreed that muslims are being persecuted! Nevertheless We are still the fastest growing religion in the World. According to some reports UK will be a muslim country In a decade or so! :D
Army not responsible for internal security is a pathetic burqa. In a working democracy or autocracy, when the police cannot take control, the army is called in. In Pakistan the army has usually called itself in . Right now the army is running scared.

"I have admitted that Muslims are persecuted"? If that gives you relief let me also point out that never before in the history of Islam have so many people been so contemptuous and ridiculing of islam. At no time in the past have people been laughing their guts out at the actions and antics of people who call themselves Muslims.

The bogey that it is the "fastest expanding" is simply one that is bandied about. There are so many people laughing and mocking that they can't take a breath and argue.

I grew up in an environment of quiet respect for Islam and even back then Indians were being accused of excesses. Right now everyone is laughing particularly at Islam and Pakistan. The last time some poor moron from some country piped up to say that 'Islam is a religion of peace" the internet enabled world laughed so hard that no one has said that again for at least a decade. And the other joke that no one is repeating any more is ""Muslims don't kill Muslims". For kafirs it really is funny. You think that is making Islam popular. It is, in many more ways than you imagined. If you want admissions and confessions from me, let me give it to you straight. More to come when you ask for it
 

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Army not responsible for internal security is a pathetic burqa.
IT IS the Law of the Land!
In a working democracy or autocracy, when the police cannot take control, the army is called in. In Pakistan the army has usually called itself in .Right now the army is running scared.
Naa.. Army is leting us 'taste' democracy. Army will not deny intervention if called upon by it's CnC Hazrat Asif Ali Zardari, acording to democratic practices
"I have admitted that Muslims are persecuted"? If that gives you relief let me also point out that never before in the history of Islam have so many people been so contemptuous and ridiculing of islam. At no time in the past have people been laughing their guts out at the actions and antics of people who call themselves Muslims.
TRUE.we have fallen
The bogey that it is the "fastest expanding" is simply one that is bandied about. There are so many people laughing and mocking that they can't take a breath and argue.

I grew up in an environment of quiet respect for Islam and even back then Indians were being accused of excesses. Right now everyone is laughing particularly at Islam and Pakistan. The last time some poor moron from some country piped up to say that 'Islam is a religion of peace" the internet enabled world laughed so hard that no one has said that again for at least a decade. And the other joke that no one is repeating any more is ""Muslims don't kill Muslims". For kafirs it really is funny. You think that is making Islam popular. It is, in many more ways than you imagined. If you want admissions and confessions from me, let me give it to you straight. More to come when you ask for it
Islam is religion of peace. What SOME/MANY muslims do wrong has nothing to do with ISLAM !
So Non-muslim are wrong in jumping to a conclusion as yours!
 

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Army not responsible for internal security is a pathetic burqa.
IT IS the Law of the Land!
Naa.. Army is leting us 'taste' democracy. Army will not deny intervention if called upon by it's CnC Hazrat Asif Ali Zardari, acording to democratic practices

TRUE.we have fallen

Islam is religion of peace. What SOME/MANY muslims do wrong has nothing to do with ISLAM !
So Non-muslim are wrong in jumping to a conclusion as yours!

Pakistanis has defamed Islam in the world and give different definition,which world knows and think negative
 

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- Pakistan knew of the attacks beforehand.
- Very little preventive measures were taken. The police prefered to run away, rather than risk their lives.

I think the Army/ISI is waiting for the Americans to leave Afghanistan, and then cut a deal with the insurgents. The Talibs will be allowed to stay in the tribal badlands, but they must attack Afghans only. All jail breaks, bomb blasts, assasinations, sectarian killings are very sad of course. But it is the price that the Army is willing to pay for now. Whether it is the right decision, I don't know.
 

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- Pakistan knew of the attacks beforehand.
- Very little preventive measures were taken. The police prefered to run away, rather than risk their lives.

I think the Army/ISI is waiting for the Americans to leave Afghanistan, and then cut a deal with the insurgents. The Talibs will be allowed to stay in the tribal badlands, but they must attack Afghans only. All jail breaks, bomb blasts, assasinations, sectarian killings are very sad of course. But it is the price that the Army is willing to pay for now. Whether it is the right decision, I don't know.
ISI want to use all the prisoners inside Afghanistan.... It seems
 

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Naa.. Army is leting us 'taste' democracy. Army will not deny intervention if called upon by it's CnC Hazrat Asif Ali Zardari, acording to democratic practices
I will take your word for it, but it is my belief that is the army has so much control that it is letting civilians "taste democracy" untll they can grab power again at some future date, then the long term outlook for Pakistan is worse in some ways than if the army stayed out.

I believe the Pakistan army has (only after 1971) managed to forcibly prevent Pakistani from shrinking and pieces of Pakistan from breaking away. The 1965 war with India used to be a great rallying point because many Pakistanis believed that 1965 was the time when Pakistan was completely united - so keeping India as an enemy and the Pakistan army as the one solid factor keeping the enemy away has been important.

But the army cannot govern well, It can only rule. That is good for India. The army rarely makes wars when it is in government because there is too much work (and too much money to be made). The army is more likely to spark off war when it is free from the burden of government. Ultimately Pakistan;s most stable future in my view will come only under a civilian government but that is not going to be easy. the army has screwed up relations with the people of Baluchistan and NWFP/Pakhtunkhwa. Mollifying them will not be easy. Disarming them will be next to impossible and it is a fundamental rule of government that the most powerful coercive power (men in arms) should be under government control. That can never be the case for Pakistan in the near or medium term future.

In fact under the civilian government the provinces will continue to try to break away because Pakistan has developed no fair agreement with the provinces. Punjab has simply grabbed everything. What the army is doing now is simply trying to maintain Punjab dominated rule over NWFP and Baluchistan and it is not working. Punjabis see themselves as the real Pakistanis.

The long term prediction I have for Pakistan is not something that most patriotic Pakistanis are going to like.

1. Break up - this is unlikely, but Pakistan will be chronically sick trying to prevent break up

2. United Pakistan that gives a better deal to the provinces. This will be resisted in Punjab - which will not want to give up dominance. But if Pakistan gives its restive provinces a fair deal and reaches accommodation with them (and the army becomes subservient to the civilian) then Pakistan will find itself as one more poor and overpopulated and underdeveloped South Asian country. India, Bangladesh, Sril Lanka and Nepal has been inching ahead for decades and every minute wasted by Pakistan will only put Pakistan further behind. No foreign country can rescue or support 250 million Pakistanis - which will be the population in 10 years. Pakistan will forcibly have to give up all delusions of leadership in South Asia and the Islamic world, eat humble pie and join the rest of the world.

Brave words and unrealistic predictions can only cause ROFL


Islam is religion of peace. What SOME/MANY muslims do wrong has nothing to do with ISLAM !
So Non-muslim are wrong in jumping to a conclusion as yours!
Assuming Islam is above blame, it is obvious that Islam has not managed to stop Muslims from making mistakes. And when they make mistakes they will be punished - even slaughtered and neither Islam nor other Muslims are going to save them. Therefore Pakistan's pathetic caterwaul about Muslims in India and the rest of the world only get people laughing. No one really gives a damn. When Pakistan protests the outside world does not see a proud and powerful nuclear armed nation. People see an overpopulated, hungry, underdeveloped beggar nation that is falling apart, with hypocrites for leaders and incompetents in the army simply dancing like monkeys saying "Muslims Muslims Muslims"."Islamophobia Islamophobia islamophobia"

If one country has made Muslims and Islam the laughing stock of the world. It is Pakistan
 

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