Taiwan hails missile as 'aircraft carrier killer'

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    'Taiwan developing 'carrier killer'

    Taiwan developing 'carrier killer'

    TAIPEI - TAIWAN has unveiled the first images of a high-tech missile corvette specifically designed to counter the threat of China acquiring an aircraft carrier, officials and media said on Monday.

    A computerised graphic of the 1,000-tonne 'carrier killer', which has so far been kept secret from the public, has gone on display at Taipei's military museum, run by the defence ministry.

    The vessel will be capable of cruising at speeds of up to 55 kilometres (34 miles) an hour and boast technologies helping it to evade radar detection, the Taipei-based Apple Daily reported, citing military officials. The navy hopes to arm the corvette with Taiwan's home-grown Hsiungfeng III supersonic ship-to-ship missile, according to the report.

    The military museum did not provide any details, while the defence ministry declined to comment on the report.

    The report came after the head of Taiwan's National Security Bureau, Tsai Teh Sheng, told parliament in November that China has started building its first aircraft carrier. Taiwanese military analysts expect China to need at least 10 years to build its first operating carrier group complete with carrier-based fighters and other warships. But they warn that once the Chinese arms build-up is completed, it will have a far-reaching strategic impact on the region.

    Ties between China and Taiwan have improved markedly since China-friendly Ma Ying Jeou became the island's president in 2008, vowing to adopt a non-confrontational policy towards the mainland. But China still regards Taiwan as part of its territory awaiting reunification, by force if necessary, although the island has governed itself since 1949 when the mainland's civil war ended.

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    Taiwan developing an indigenous vessel has it's roots from U.S. technical support a former Taiwan defense official said last year.
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    Taiwan Inaugurates 'Stealth' Missile Boat Squadron

    TSUOYING, Taiwan - Taiwan on May 18 put into service its first missile boats featuring what the navy described as "stealth" technologies, aimed at boosting defense capabilities against rival China.

    The squadron of 10 guided-missile boats, seen by top brass as a major improvement on Seagull vessels that have been in service for the past 20 years, joined the navy at the Tsuoying naval base in the south of the island.

    "Its combat capabilities are much superior to the 50-ton Seagull-class missile boats," the navy said in a statement released ahead of a ceremony in Tsuoying.

    "The new homemade weapons system is expected to greatly enhance the navy's defense capabilities, thus ensuring the security of Taiwan."

    The vessel, called "Kuang Hua No 6", is equipped with "stealth technologies," enabling it to reduce the risk of radar detection, the navy said.

    However, the navy did not provide any details about how the vessel's shape or surface materials allowed it to have these capabilities.

    The inauguration of the boats signaled Taiwan's desire to maintain a defense capability against its former bitter rival China despite fast warming ties over the past two years.

    Tensions in the Taiwan Strait have eased significantly since President Ma Ying-jeou of the China-friendly Kuomintang party came to power in 2008, pledging to boost trade links and allowing in more Chinese tourists.

    Yet Beijing still refuses to renounce its use of force against Taiwan should it declare formal independence.

    The island has governed itself since its split with the mainland in 1949 at the end of a civil war.

    The new missile boats are each armed with four locally developed Hsiungfeng II ship-to-ship missiles, which have a range of 150 kilometers.

    Hsiungfeng II is an improved version of the Hsiungfeng I now deployed on the Seagull-class boats.

    The boats inaugurated Tuesday were among a first batch of 12 received by the navy. It is scheduled to acquire 18 others before the end of 2011.

    http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=4630623&c=ASI&s=SEA
     
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    Taiwan hails missile as 'aircraft carrier killer' - Yahoo! News

    TAIPEI, Taiwan (AP) — Taiwan is hailing its most advanced missile as "an aircraft carrier killer" on the same day that China began sea trials of it first aircraft carrier.

    During the preview for a defense exhibition Wednesday, Taiwan brandished the indigenous Hsiung Feng III missile against the backdrop of a billboard depicting a missile-riddled aircraft carrier.

    The billboard bore the words: "Aircraft carrier killer."

    The Hsiung Feng III has made two previous public appearances in Taiwan and has been deployed on Taiwan's Perry-class frigates but has never been described as anti-carrier weapon.

    Taiwan and China split amid civil war in 1949. China still claims Taiwan as its own and vows to bring it back to the fold by force if necessary.
     
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    so one target and lot of missile directed against it.
     
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    Someone has rained on the Chinese parade.
     
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    As China Launches Aircraft Carrier, Taiwan Touts ‘Aircraft Carrier Killer’ - China Real Time Report - WSJ

    As China Launches Aircraft Carrier, Taiwan Touts ‘Aircraft Carrier Killer’

    On the day China began sea trials of its first aircraft carrier, Taiwan made what can only be described as a provocative move, displaying its newest anti-ship cruise missile in front of an illustration of what appeared to be China’s new carrier being hit by missiles.

    Above the missile, known as the Hsiung Feng III, was a sign that labeled the weapon an “aircraft carrier killer.”

    The missile was being displayed as part of a preview ahead of the annual Taipei Aerospace and Defense Technology Exhibition. Though there were no markings to indicate the carrier in the background illustration was Chinese, the ship featured a sloped runway similar to that of the Varyag – the Ukrainian carrier whose empty hull was used in the building of the new Chinese carrier, which has yet to be named.

    Although the Hsiung Feng III has been discussed as a potential deterrent to China’s ships and aircraft carriers, it has never been explicitly described as an anti-carrier weapon.

    Nonetheless experts played down the seemingly goading presentation of the missile, arguing that China is unlikely to see the missile as much of a threat.

    Former Deputy Defense Minister Chong Pin Lin told China Real Time he thought the display was more geared to a Taiwanese audience as the growing military imbalance between China and Taiwan has become an growing concern in Taiwan. China’s military might has increased by leaps and bounds over the past twenty years as it has ramped up spending. Meanwhile, Taiwan’s president Ma Ying-jeou has recently come under fire for allowing defense spending to slip below 3% of GDP.

    “This is likely for domestic consumption, it doesn’t mean anything to Beijing,” Mr. Lin said. “In fact, Beijing might like to see this because they want to see [president] Ma get re elected….and this tells our voters that the Ma administration is not being lax on defense.”

    He also said that he did not foresee China utilizing its aircraft carriers to threaten Taiwan, as placing a carrier group in the Pacific or South China Sea would be too provocative.

    Many analysts argue otherwise, pointing out that China has grown increasingly vocal in its territorial claims in the region and said its new defensive capabilities were being developed to help it enforce its claims. In a potential conflict with Taiwan, some analysts have argued, a carrier group would help keep the U.S. from intervening and could add to China’s ability to threaten a key Taiwan airbase on the island’s east coast at Hualien, where many of its F-16s are stationed.

    It would be hard to deny the potential affect of a growing Chinese navy on the balance of power in the region and the resulting concern, but the hawkish display seems out of place given the historic thaw in cross-Strait ties that Mr. Ma has presided over in recent years.

    Taiwan’s Ministry of National Defense said Wednesday that it had no immediate comment but would issue a statement about the display on Thursday.

    Regardless of whether the display was intended as a warning, it at least shows Taiwan is willing to challenge China in creating belligerent defense fair booths. Although not as technologically advanced as a Chinese display at the 2010 Zhuhai Air Show that showed unmanned aerial vehicles taking out a U.S. carrier, the vision of the missile suspended in front of an exploding aircraft carrier certainly makes an impact.
     
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    Taiwan flexes its muscles with growing display of homegrown weapons - Monsters and Critics

    Taiwan flexes its muscles with growing display of homegrown weapons

    Taipei - Taiwan will beef up its arsenal of homegrown weapons eligible for public display this week, rolling out models of a supersonic anti-ship missile and a surface-to-air missile to flex muscle as it relies increasingly on its own hardware research.

    The island's Ministry of National Defence previewed 161 pieces of hardware on Wednesday that it will introduce at the Taipei Aerospace & Defense Technology Exhibition this week. It exhibited 137 at the same show two years ago.

    Among the showpieces is a mock-up of the homemade Hsiung Feng III supersonic missile with a range of 130 kilometres, enough to hit China. Visitors will also see models of the Tien Kung III surface-to-air missile and an indigenous fighter jet.

    'The goal is to show off ... the status of our country's defence technology development and the military's hard work in the direction of relying on automation and modernisation,' the ministry said in a statement.

    Taiwan relies increasingly on domestic research and development of weapons as chief military rival China surpasses it in terms of firepower but the island's major foreign arms supplier the United States shied away from new sales to keep up relations with Beijing.

    China has claimed sovereignty over self-ruled Taiwan since the Chinese civil war of the 1940s, when Chiang Kai-shek's Nationalists lost to Mao Zedong's Communists and fled to the island. Relations have improved through trade and transit talks since 2008, but China has not dropped the threat of force to capture Taiwan.

    The August 11-14 show expects 91 exhibitors, down slightly from the 2009 exhibition that also generated 1.2 billion Taiwanese dollars (41.4 million US dollars) in business deals. Other attractions at the biennial event will include an unmanned aircraft and aerial sensing equipment, both useful in post-disaster search and rescue operations.
     
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    my carrier killer

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    right now only static display but soon it will be doing this

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    even before Chine AC enters its services, its hunters are ready for kill.
     
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    Underwater secrets of the "aircraft carriers killers"

    Underwater secrets of the "aircraft carriers killers"


    Forty years ago a submarine K-43 (project 670) was commissioned for the Soviet Northern Fleet. She gave a start for the series of the second generation of nuclear-propelled submarines and yet at the stage of design they were referred as "aircraft carriers killers”.

    Not only the Navy celebrated this remarkable event but an inland city of Nizhniy Novgorod as well Krasnoye Sormovo plant in particular. This was that very place that had been giving birth to subsurface ships designated to challenge the American “floating airfields”.

    They were seen but unreachable
    The exact day is known when the aircraft carriers era spread over the oceans. It occurred on April 18, 1942. A bombing strike was conducted over Tokyo that day by the American B-52 bombers. The Japanese were taken aback. Where these aircrafts did came from? Next day the US president Roosevelt took a liberty to joke "Our bombers took off from a dreamland named Shangry La".

    But the Japanese air scouts soon tracked down this “dreamland” which took the form of the aircraft carrier Hornet stationed five hundred miles off Japan. Later the aircraft carriers would save South Korea from the armored spearheads of Northern Korea's army. Floating army garrisons and air-bases would prove to be an ideal tool for fighting local conflicts.

    The Soviet government, read the Navy Command, had been considering the aircraft carriers as the weapon of aggression then always neglected them in the naval doctrines. These ocean-going mastodons were also considered as the easy targets for the aircrafts. It proved to be wrong. Escort of ships accompanying an aircraft carrier at sea was able to keep the air, sea and underwater space under control for many miles around. Thus the penetration of this escort was simply impossible with the available at that time anti-ship weapon.

    The States were not going to abandon construction of the aircraft carriers and kept on launching them. In the years of cold war we could have witnessed massed air strike from the enemy that was considered imaginary. Several times the world was at edge of disaster. Nobody had the idea of where this well-armed armada would sail next time. And the main concern was how to stop it. The Soviet naval strategians apparently picked up the only correct weapon for that time namely submarines equipped with the winged missiles. Many countries were sceptical enough about this type of weapon consider it as inefficient. This race of missiles they have lost to the Soviets and the gap is still obvious nowadays.

    Design bureaus of V.Chelomey and G.Beriev were ready to cover the demand in winged missiles. Nikita Sergeevich Khrushchev recalled in his memoirs "Chelomey literally filled us up with the new proposals: global missiles, intercontinental missiles, ship-to-ground missiles and ground-to-sea missiles... At one of the meetings Chelomey as a true traveling salesman that fetches shoes and beads from his bag unfolded his missiles designs before our eyes”.

    In a hot competition Chelomey succeeded to persuade the Navy command into favor of his Ï-5 winged missile. While the trials one of the French magazines placed a cut-away view of the secret missile at a color plate and acknowledged it as a perfect weapon. It was a real surprise for the Soviet “secret-keepers” but Vladimir Nikolaevich Chelomey was pleased with the high estimation of the work done by his design bureau.

    The first start of the winged missile on November 22nd, 1957 was successful.

    During the trials a score of winged missile shots was made. The results were considered as satisfactory and in 1959 Ï-5 missile passed into service. The only problem was the lack of submarines to place these missiles. The solution was found in equipping the operational submarines with missile containers. The experts of NATO immediately gave them a nickname “long cans”.

    The American authors of The Red Tide Garry Wair and Walter Boin claiming to have a description of a true history of the submarine force of the USSR and Russia hypothesize “Apparently the “long cans” have demonstrated not the best performance that led shortly to the withdrawal from operational status. All these submarines created a great deal of noise due to the water vortexes around the launching tubes”.

    But that was not the only deficiency of the submarine-giants. Admiral V.Kasatonov in his recollections speaks his inside freely regarding the experiments with the winged missiles “What was the value of our submarines having them quickly equipped with missile containers? They were called whatever anyone liked: devilfish, abracadabra and so on and so forth! Such missile weapon had plenty cases of malfunction, the only way to shoot them was from the surface with a dead calm in addition. This can not be called combat readiness".

    These submarines could have become aircraft carriers killers by chance only or by lying in wait for them leaving a base. To catch up with an escaping giant was impossible for the submarines. Speed difference was 10 knots per hour. The aircraft carriers stayed invulnerable although the weapon against them was at hand. They were seen but unreachable.

    Uncomfortable oceans
    By late fifties an image of a submarine – aircraft carrier killer was already quite set. On May 9, 1960 the USSR minister of defense R.Ya. Malinovski signed a request for proposal for top level specifications of a middle size submarine with a nuclear power plant and torpedo/rocket armament. It was provided to equip the submarine with winged missile system Ametist which was under development in Chelomey’s design bureau.

    The question came up, where to build the boats and the main thing is who to entrust with the design. Ship-building yards of Severodvinsk and Komsomolsk-on-Amur at the moment were overloaded with the construction of nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarine cruisers. This was top list priority program of the USSR and nobody would dare to infringe it.

    It was decided to design and construct the subs in the city of Gorkiy. Krasnoe Sormovo plant had been building series of diesel-driven submarines already. The plant had a group of young engineers working on submarines finishing. This very group was assigned to develop the new work-piece. It was ciphered as Skate and the future boat would be attributed to project 670. She was the first nuclear-propelled submarine to be built at the plant.

    The key problem for the designers became the observance of those strict rules dictated by the terms of submarine transportation through the inland waterways. This should have been taken into account. Thus the young engineers limiting their creative urges forced out approvals from the customer for the unconventional technical solutions which were in conflict with The Rules for Submarine Design. And they ultimately succeeded.

    The winged missiles fitted well in submarine’s hull. They were placed in eight leaning cells in the fore body of the pressure hull structure. Missiles start could be carried out from the underwater at the speed of the submarine up to five knots and sea disturbance of 5 grade intensity.

    Specially for the submarines of this series a high power nuclear reactor was designed. The developers provided for safety precautions for running the reactor and envisaged for several options of blocking protection. The submarine was equipped with Kerch sonar system that should have "heard" an aircraft carrier at the distance of several tens of miles.

    Finally everything was agreed, approved and detailed drawings were delivered to the plant from the design bureau. On May 9, 1964 the type submarine of the new project was laid down. She was having a building number 701, the tactical one was K-43. With the same number she was commissioned for the Northern Fleet in November 1967.

    The American carrier forces can also mark that day. Forty years ago the giant “floating air-fields" suddenly found themselves uncomfortable in the oceans. In a period of five years Krasnoe Sormovo plant equipped the Soviet navy with 11 submarines of Skate class. They participated in all major ocean exercises and of course they had been noticed by the NATO experts who named them Charlie.

    The home bases in the north not frequently witnessed the new missile carrying subs. The 6th American Fleet has become very active in the Mediterranean at that time. In order to check its activities the Skates were redeployed to this theater. Their presence of course caused a quite reasoned concern of the American naval command, realizing the lack of weapon they could match against the Soviet subs.

    The Pacific Fleet has gradually become a permanent station for the Skates. The station where reached by unique routs. They sailed under ice of the northern seas or high endurance trips through the southern. All the Skates were attached to the 10th division of the 2nd submarine flotilla. The Indian Ocean has become the main theater for the subs.

    Here are the memoirs of K-352 submarine commander, later Admiral, Yu.Sysuev “Our main task while on duty in the Indian Ocean was the tracking of the American carriers. The usual practice for the Americans was to keep one carrier in the area with a second one to appear in case of an emergency. We had to keep track of them permanently and maintain level readiness to perform a missile strike if ordered… That is why our task force was deployed in the Indian Ocean and stayed there on the permanent basis. In the event of hostilities the American combat vessels were to be spotted, targeted and destroyed».

    A submarine… for lease
    The type submarine Ê-43 succeeded to visit the place of her birth once again. Before the trip to the Far East she was sent to Krasnoe Sormovo plant for refit that followed by 16-day long run to the Far East under the ice of the Arctic Ocean. Surfaced in the Bering Strait she was replenished from a supply ship and started long haul cruise lasted for three months.

    Upon return to the new base, sub's commander surprised flotilla’s command reporting no material failures. The crew was awarded with government decorations and the plant received a commendation for the quality repair of the boat.

    January 5, 1988 marked a distinctive date in the biography of Soromovo’s A-sub. That day the Soviet flag sled from the flag staff at the conning tower and seconds later the flag of India was beating in the wind. The removed veil form the red plate at her conning tower revealed the new name for the audience Chakra and her number S-71.

    But that was not a sale to a new owner. The boat was… leased. This is how the things were done in the post-perestroika times. India dreamt of coming over the neighbors China and Pakistan both at sea and land. India was making plans to construct nuclear submarines as well. Although huge sums had been invested into the submarine building program the outcome was much to be desired. The alternative of foreign assistance became obvious. Then Indira Gandy the Indian government executive addressed the “big friend” USSR with a request to provide a nuclear submarine for the purposes of naval personnel training. And the request was granted.

    In the vicinity of Vladivostok training-oriented center was established for the specialists from the Indian Navy. For five years in a row K-43 served as a classroom for them. Two crews of the Indian sailors showed themselves as dedicated students curiously poking in every hole they were allowed. Servicing of nuclear reactor was taken away from them however. The submarine sailed to India with 30 Soviet officers and warrant officers on board. They had to live away from home for three long years.

    A very tough schedule had expected the nuclear sub in India. She took part in all major exercises imposing surprise and concerns of foreign military experts. Spending the third of her time while in the lists of the Indian navy in the long haul cruises Chakra managed to disrupt the balance in the Indian Ocean. Pakistan was even forced to purchase some frigates from the US in order to maintain tracking the boat. The Indians liked to lease the cub so much that tried to persuade the USSR to prolong the lease. But the Soviet government was under the pressure from other sides with the lack of much friendship between the current Soviet leader and the USA. Therefore India’s proposal was rejected.

    Chakra had a great influence upon the organization of naval staff of a friendly nation. Eight officers that had served at the submarine became admirals. Many of those dedicated students occupy key positions in the Indian navy up to now. India presently is as close to the creation of own nuclear submarine as never before. The resemblance of her to one of our nuclear submarines is yet to be seen.

    March 1, 1991 Chakra transformed into Ê-43 again. But she was left to serve in the home waters for just over a year. Excluded from the Navy lists she was laid up in Krasheninnikov bay. It should be noted that she was the fourth to leave the fleet out of eleven her sister ships. Carrier killers played their part. The opponents were afraid of them hence they made the country that had been sending them out to sea respected by others.

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    Taiwan missile looks like a Moskit cruise missile.
     
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    The missle is based on KH-31, Its effective and what i know they are developing a Sub launched and Air variants..
     
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    Saya the Bramos in that pic is only for studying aerodynamics or does it work?
     
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    Looks familiar? Look at this?

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    XASM-3 from Japan.
     
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    er....this supersonic missile has been talked as a joke in china's forums for a long time.

    however i think this missile is very advanced and powerful.

    but here is some Negative news about it.

    during a taiwan millitary exercise,they test it but it failed.this happened very recently.about a month ago or so.here is a chinese link about this news...̨¾ª:"ÐÛ·ç"-3µ¼µ¯ÊÔÉäʧ°Ü ·´Öƴ󽺽ĸÒѳɿÕÏë--оüÊÂ

    and taiwan army also failed in another exercise when they test their Anti-aircraft missiles,few months ago.also chinese version...
    台军汉光演习丑态百出 台湾媒体不客气嘲讽(图)_网易新闻中心
    maybe u can find this news by google.
     
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    That's a common trait of most countries that have done the same and have suffered for it. CCP (Not the people of China) is one such entity.

    Failures and successes are a part of the game that is usually hidden by CCP just to give its image a boost. US does the same; never reveals any of its weapons failures except maybe once or twice out of 10 times. Chinese don't even do that, assuming that people would believe everything comes out to be a success in the first go. Pakistanis do the same because none of their weapons are theirs and are simply tested in advance by you, before delivering the successful production version.

    Any carrier-killer when ship-borne can be deadly. I personally am wondering when would we install countermeasures to carrier killers that Pakistan is likely to receive in arms aid from Beijing, or probably in soft loans.
     
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    Japanese law restrict them from export of any military hardware or knowledge out side of country..
     
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    It is almost pitiful that despite so much progress and success, Japanese have to listen to an external master. I really feel sorry for the government that has not yet even removed the article despite more than 60 years having gone by (it is something akin to our ARTICLE 370 not removed even after 62 years).

    Even if Japs could export it, only Oil sheikhs would have the money to buy Japanese weapons. Their pricetags are so bloody high, it would drain any country considering Japanese arms.
     
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    If Japan could not export it or the tech behind it to Taiwan then they have a common adviser/help in developing these anti-carrier missiles. The similarities are striking.
     
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    Is this missile air launched??
     

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