Syrian T-72 POV

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  1. Kunal Biswas

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    Syrian T-72 POV



    Filmed aboard T-72 Tanks during Powerfull missions in Darayya
    with (rescued) Sound . Anna on ♪Steroids
    Syria . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Mission INFO:

    00:00 á´¥ T-72 Supporting troops attack on rebel positions 27/2
    11:12 á´¥ BMP fire on rebel positions 25/2
    19:21 á´¥ T-72 Tank got hit and towed away 2/3
    27:18 á´¥ Tanks got ambushed with an IED 2/3
    31:50 á´¥ Death of a T-72. Hit when protecting troops under attack
    43:30 á´¥ Sniper hunt 7/3
     
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    The SAA intensified their attacks on the rebellious town of Darayya with heavy shelling and powerful Tanks raids to support their infantry. The rebels filmed these intense T-72 raids while under fire.. . .
    NEW Video: Tanks vs, Men: http://www.onboard.valkvideos.nl
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    The 2nd Battle of Darayya, is the ongoing battle between the Syrian Army and the rebels in the Damascus suburbs of Darayya

    Daraya is a rebellious suburb where rebels have attempted to create a stronghold near Damascus center. In August, the Syrian Army defeated the rebels and took control of the town,In Nov. rebels launched a second offensive and took back control of the suburbs and recaptured Darayya.The rebels were successful at preventing the Syrian Army from entering the town until mid-December when the Army intensified their attacks with heavy shelling and Tanks raids into the city.The rebels filmed this intense T-72 raids while under fire.
     
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    BMP-2 Cam


     
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    Nice Post Kunal , Can you do a brief analysis on the pro and cons of Syrian Tank Operation , listing our the pros and cons of T-72/BMP briefly
     
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    I can give some quick points, It will take lot time to make a brief analysis in details..

    Syrian Tactics :

    1. Armored vehicles Involve in rescue..
    2. Armored vehicles Involve in offense..
    3. Armored vehicles Involve in defense.
    4. Armored vehicles Involve in recon..

    1. It seems they are doing fine job recusing there soldiers, Vehicle using smoke to cover men retreating or entering BMP While at the same time they are suppressing enemy position, each tank have its purpose and very discipline while conducting operation, though using cannon always at everything is not very wise as ammo used up quickly and cannon has slow rate of fire, Use of MG is better for picking out tango position when they fire back in retaliation and expose themselves, then use cannon..

    2. Syrian tankers are well trained but it is deadly when they stop at locations specially when their flanks are not secured by Infantry as T-72M1 with ERA provide better protection from front only, the best would be fire and move its better tactic to avoid RPG crews and increase chances of survival of tank and its crew, Stop at only those plaes where flanks are secured, till then lighting strike suits the crew..

    3. One thing about this urban battlefield that the re-supply lines are too close to front lines which enable tango RPG crew to slip inside and target tanks when refueling and resupply areas, Other points are already mentioned above like picking enemy by mg first then use of main gun, And fire on move tactics..

    4. I have not seen Syrian recon vehicles such as BRDM / or other fast wheeled around vehicles, It seems Syrian army relay on live human intelligence, Sending a T-72/BMP to recon my result in lossing these precious fighting tanks, It is needed that Syrain should have some light Armour recon vehicle to find enemy RPG / MG / SNIPER hid-outs and use Artillery to scatter them & then Armour and Infantry can pay there role..

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    Indian Army tanks in Urban :

    The only use of Indian Tanks in Urban was in Jaffana city, We used T-72M1 / PT-76 7 bmp-1 with some success though our losses were mostly due to Mines and few to RPGS, One thng i know that our tankers were used to avoid roads and usually drive over rail tracks this enable LTTE to make out out tanks paths very easily, We lacked experience back then still now in Urban warfare with tanks..

    Our Army training is based on mainly on open areas not urban AFAIK, I can wrong though..
     
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    One more thing we learn from this vids that sensitive equipment like smoke grenades and optics are there not for long terms, Electronics equipment exposed will be torn apart from derby falling on tanks and small arm fire, If one wish to add anything over tank it have to be protected from small arm fire or debris..
     
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    Sir ,one soldier was luckily escape From Tank ,was RPG attack From opposite end ???
     
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    Yes, In Details >>

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    RPG-29 : 750 mm (30 in): RHA (after reactive armor effects)

    More info here : RPG-29 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

     
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    Thats why i was thinking about saab leds-150 system on t-90s tanks also i feel the new arena-e package on t-90s displayed at defence expo12 should prove decisive against rpg-29, tandem atgms and kinetic rounds....also to note there are no i repeat no early warning optics in syrian t-72avs for eg:- ones showcased by elbit systems during defence expo 12 without them the result are as in the videos:smokin::rip::boom:
     
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    Tank desant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
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    Kunal, please don't use wiki as a source - there is a lot of huge mistake. More or less global security, FAS, wikipedia can't be taken as a source.

    Real penetration RPG-29 is mucht mucht smaller:
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    And whole RPG and others capabilities where discuss here:
    http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/land-forces/208-main-battle-tanks-armour-technology-345.html
     
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    Good advice, but we are guilty of it, because it's so easy, and in many cases the information is not that bad.
     
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    Thanks Kunal for putting up those points :thumb:
     
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    There are photos indicating that Syrians started to replace side screens with 4S20 "Kontakt-1" ERA which is more and more ineffective and obsolete, with something else, more massive, yet nobody knows what is this new protection.

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    I heard some speculations that these might be boxes with concrete... but then again such protection is even more ineffective than Kontakt-1.

    I have a theory it might some sort of simple and primitive NERA armor, similiar to Iraqi "Khafji" armor seen on some of their T-55 during Saddam's reign.
     
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    Cho*ncrete*bham armor.
     
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    The above pictures show a very odd understanding of the Syrian army tactics. It is common knowledge that armor moves with infantry in urban areas. This is a strict rule followed since WW2. But according to the pics, there are no infantry around. Whats with that?

    To top that, neither tank has its commander on the MG. How are they supposed to know if rebels are positioning on top of the buildings?
    Charging into a narrow street like that is inviting AT attcks on the sides. The tank crew wont even know which direction the fire came from, that is if they manage to survive the first hit or mis hit.
     
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