Swiss opt for Saab's Gripen fighter jets

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  1. Galaxy

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    Swiss opt for Saab's Gripen fighter jets

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    Nov 30 (Reuters) - Switzerland has chosen to replace its fighter jet fleet with Swedish defence and aerospace group Saab's JAS-39 Gripen, Swiss newspaper Tagesanzeiger reported on Wednesday, citing unnamed sources close to the government.

    Neutral Switzerland has wrangled for the past three years over whether to replace its ageing Northrop F-5E/F Tiger fighters, purchased in 1976 and 1981, with up to 33 new aircraft.

    Saab shares were up 8.5 percent to 117.10 Swedish crowns by 1345 GMT after the newspaper report.

    The newspaper said the cost of purchasing 22 jets would be about 3 billion Swiss francs ($3.3 billion), 1 billion less than the same number of rival models would cost.

    In September, the Swiss lower house of parliament approved a 5 billion francs defence budget for 2013 to finance a 100,000 strong army and the purchase of new fighter jets.

    Other bidders included the Rafale built by french company Dassault Aviation and EADS's Anglo-German-Italian Eurofighter Typhoon.


    RPT-Swiss opt for Saab's Gripen fighter jets - paper | Reuters
     
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    This helps the gripen program to extend its life.

    A move that was much expected in swiss competition.

    Another loss for Rafale.
     
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    A Billion dollars got saved for country which has threats at all.

    Choosing SAAB Gripen makes it a lot more sensible. It does deliver lower acquisition and maintenance costs, Than other Competing Aircraft.

    Has Expected, Seems at end of day France will be the only Customer of Rafale.

     
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    The Swiss chose what may have been the lowest performer in the flight evaluations over the one which topped the Swiss evaluations, Rafale.

    It's their choice though.

    The price seems steep, but realistic. $150Million for the Gripens compared to what could have been $200million for Rafale. This will come with training, spares and support for 10 years IMO. Reduce by two times and this could be the unit costs of the birds.
     
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    150$ million a piece with training and support??. What if they manufacture those aircrafts and spares in their own country, Like the MRCA deal.
    Can Dassault come up with a discount, maybe like offering Offsets?. Sweden offered TOT for Gripen.
    How will it be useful in our MRCA deal?


    I wonder what this technical evaluation consists of, But has you said Price evaluation must been top priority. Swiss doesn't need an top class fighter to replace some Cold War era junk.


    Girpen isnt that bad, When you comparing it with t/w ratio and maintenance.

    JAS-39 Gripen could be a solid investment for Taiwan, as neither requires long runways and both could provide strike and air superiority capabilities under difficult conditions.
    Since they wont gonna be offered Rafale or F-35s anyway.
     
  7. methos

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    Again a thread in "Americas" for no reason...

    I think this is interessting:
    Why Switzerland bought the Tiger (In German, so you should use Google Translator) - NZZ Online

    Some points:
    - originally 9 aircrafts from 8 companies were evaluated, among them were Saab (with two models), Fiat, Dassault and Ling-Temco-Vought.
    - first evaluation: LTV A-7 Corsair was winner, followed by Fiat G.91Y. Then came (unordered) the Spectat Jaguar (British/French), the Dassault Mirage 5 in a version nicknamed "Milan" and the Saab 105XH. One of Saab's aircraift was last, second last was the Dassault Mirage 5 Milan.
    - French government didn't want the Swiss people to buy a non-French aircraft and told them to reevalute
    - In reevaluation some new aircraft were accepted for evaluation like an upgraded version of the Hunter. A Swiss official said that they would even evaluate upgraded Spitfires or Me 109s if someone would offer these to them.
    - Crosair was again first, Mirage 5 was now third as some time could be used to improve it
    - Real tests in 1972 showed that the Mirge 5 failed hard, while the Crosair achieved best results. France never accepted the tests results, instead increases politcal pressure on the Swiss people
    - The Americans came with 16 technicians for 2 Crossair, the French with 120 for 2 Dassault Mirage 5 Milan
    - Following continued political pressure the Swiss government declared not to buy any new aircraft
    - As short-term solution 30 British Occasions-Hunters, originally from the 1950s, were bought
    - Only one fabric new aircraft with was rather cheap could be bought as mid-term/long-term solution: the F-5E Tiger, which actually did not fullfill performance requirements
    - the current backbone of the Swiss airforce is the F/A-18 Hornet, which also nearly was not bought because the French wanted to sell their Mirage 2000-5, which back then existed only on paper.
    - from 1964 to 2003 the Swiss operated the Mirage-III as fighter, already having a political scandal, the so called Mirage afair (German wikipedia article, use Google Translator) - about 100 were ordered, but due to rising costs only 57 were finally delievered
    - as fighter-bomber the 152 Hunter (some being model "Occasion") were operated from 1958 to 1994
     
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    Well it doest not matter to Swiss whether they choose grippen or ancient mig 15.Nobody gonna attack them. They need air force for just for name sake..
     
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