Swamy Against the Use of EVMs in Polls

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  1. Vyom

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    Janata Party President Subramanian Swamy today said he was against the use of Electronic Voting Machines (EVMs) in elections as they can be manipulated.

    "Since there is a lot of scope for manipulating EVMs, I am opposed to their use in elections," Swamy said while interacting with journalists here.

    "The micro-controllers used in the EVMs are imported from Japan. Despite this, EVMs are not used there and ballot papers are used in elections," the Janta Party chief said, adding EVMs are not used even in countries like the USA, England and Germany.

    news.outlookindia.com | Swamy Against the Use of EVMs in Polls
     
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    Could well have been a factor for UPA's win in 1999?
     
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    Rigged EVMs. Is that why BJP won in Karnataka, in state as well as BBMP elections? That's why BJP won in Gujarat again and again? Huh.
     
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    Add 2009 UPA win of Lok Sabha + Maharastra elections 2010 to that list, they too deserve a place in this supposed hall of shame.
     
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    Whoever said rigging is easy? But that fact that EVMs are being used despite that they are not used in even developed nations makes much sense for doubts to arise.
     
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    Generally speaking, there are very few man made systems on earth which cannot be manipulated. EVM is an electronic system and is as strong as the weakest link in the system. To state that EVMs cannot be tampered sounds a statement highly exaggerated. Every system can be compromised even the PAL in nuclear launch mechanisms can be compromised successfully given enough expertise, know-how and time.
    Would someone be kind enough to post how exactly the votes are counted once polling day is over and EVMs are taken out of the strong-room, we can further discussions from there.
     
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    Yeah Swamy demanded to court that at least the EVM should give the voter a receipt of their votes, so that they have proof of who they voted for. So if there are charges of rigging, the EC can make use of these receipts to recount the votes. I am not sure what the court decided on that.
     
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    Some sort of backup mechanism could be there till all doubts are laid to rest
     
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    Manipulating votes is extremely difficult, as data is stored directly in the hardware.

    For comparison, EVMs in America, store votes in an SQL database.
     
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    Only if you know the only trick to rig it.

    India's EVM are Vulnerable to Fraud
     
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    I thought EVMs are not used in the US elections.

    Wasn't there some such hassle during the election of Bush jr?
     
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    My point is that people moan only when it suits them.

    There are some silly people who don't whine about EVMs when the BJP wins year after year in Gujarat. But they whine when Maharashtra elections are won by Congress.

    All this loser moaning is just stupid conspiracy theories and hypocritical double standards, nothing more.
     
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    And paper ballot cannot be rigged? What nonsense!

    It can simply be "stuffed", no? Has even happened in the past.
     
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    To be fair, those who lose always whine!

    And also slap cases on the others if they are in the Centre with all the investigation agencies under their command and biding! ;)

    Political parties use cops to retain power: Former Union home secretary G K Pillai
    Political parties use cops to retain power: Former Union home secretary G K Pillai - The Times of India
     
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    Yes they could be, but not at mass scales and certainly not in a way that cannot be reported. It is another thing that in the past the EC has been conveniently choosing to ignore incidents of minor rigging in remote areas.
     
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    Then, what we need to do is scientifically study what the loopholes are/might be in the EVMs, and work on plugging/fixing them. Technologically speaking, there are a thousand ways to solve every problem.

    Does not mean that we scream conspiracy only when if suits us and demand to start paper ballots.
     
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    It is not a matter of being suitable, it is matter of fact that EVMs are being used when the nation that manufacture their micro-controllers do not use them and neither does any other developed nation.

    And if it were that technologically something was achievable in this regard, I am sure it would not be India who would be the first country to advance towards it.
     
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    Sorry, this is an irritating attitude. Smacks of typical Indian inferiority complex.

    "Developed white man" must do things first, then we Indians will do what they are doing. Technologically achievable? Poor Indian man look at rich white man and get technology idea!

    The country needs to snap out of this attitude.
     
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    It does, but that is not the reality. Are EVM's our invention?
     
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    So what if they are not our invention?

    Are aeroplanes "our invention"? What about space technology?

    Yet, we continue working on these, improving processes and practices, and trying to move forward.

    EVMs may not be our invention, but we as a nation today, are more than capable of making technological improvements/changes/modifications/enhancements independently and efficiently.
     

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