Surya ICBM

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IF SURYA PROJECT SUCCEDS WILL IT DECREASE CHINESE AGGRESSION

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  2. NO

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  3. DEPENDS ON THE SITUATION

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  4. CAN'T SAY AT ALL

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  1. Rahul92

    Rahul92 Senior Member Senior Member

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    The Surya missile is a speculation about an Inter Continental ballistic missile being developed by India. The first report about the Surya missile was published by the Nonproliferation review in 1995.:happy_8:
    According to a report published in The Nonproliferation Review, in the Winter of 1995, Surya (meaning the Sun in Sanskrit and many Indian languages) is the codename for the first Intercontinental Ballistic Missile that India is reported to be developing. The DRDO is believed to have begun the project in 1994. This report has not been confirmed by any other sources until 2010. Officials of the Indian government have repeatedly denied the existence of the project.

    According to the report, the Surya is an intercontinental-range, surface-based, solid and liquid propellant ballistic missile. The report further adds that Surya is the most ambitious project in India's Integrated Guided Missile Development Programme.The Surya is speculated to have a range between 12,000 to 16,000 kilometers.

    The report of Surya ICBM has not been confirmed by officials of the Indian government and have repeatedly denied the existence of the project. The Surya ICBM is an ICBM program that has been mentioned repeatedly in the Indian press . Surya (meaning Sun in Sanskrit and many other Indian languages) is the codename for the first Intercontinental Ballistic Missile that India is reported to be developing. The DRDO is believed to have begun the project in 1994.

    As the missile is yet to be developed, the specifications of the missile are not known and the entire program continues to remain highly secretive.Estimates of the range of this missile vary from 12,000 kms to 16,000 kms. It is believed to be a three-stage design, with the first two stages using solid propellants and the third-stage using liquid. In 2007, the Times of India reported that the DRDO is yet to reveal whether India's currently proposed ICBM will be called Agni-V (or Surya-1). As of 2009 it was reported that the government had not considered an 8,000-km range ICBM

    Sources say the DRDO's most treasured dream -- denied in public -- remains the development of an ICBM with a range of 15,000 kilometres, already christened Surya or sun, to match Chinese DF-3 ICBMs that can hit US cities."DRDO scientists are working on miniaturising systems of Agni-III so that a third stage can be squeezed into the 16-metre-long missile to enable it to go up to 5,500 kilometres with the same 1.5-tonne payload,"DRDO chief M. Natarajan told reporters in New Delhi.
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    Speculated specifications

    * Class: ICBM
    * Lasing: "Surface based",Underwater based in certain strategic areas & "Submarine" based is its most important aspect which may range upto 12,000 kms
    * Length: 40.00 m
    * Diameter: 2.8 m
    * Launch Weight: 80,000 kg
    * Propulsion: First/second stage solid, third liquid
    * Warhead Capabilities: 3-10 nuclear warheads of 250-750 kilotons each
    * Status: Development / Developed to be tested
    * In Service: 2015
    * Range: 12,000 - 16,000 km
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    BASICALLY SURYA ARE OF THREE TYPES
    * A 5,000-kilometer Surya-1 might overlap the range of a reported 5,000-kilometer upgrade of the Agni missile.[8] Surya-1 would have only one advantage over such an upgraded Agni: a far larger payload with the ability to carry a large, perhaps thermonuclear warhead or multiple nuclear warheads. India has no reason to need a missile of this range for use against Pakistan. The missile’s range is arguably appropriate for military operations against distant targets in China: the range from New Delhi to Beijing is 3,900 kilometers; the range from New Delhi to Shanghai is 4,400 kilometers; and the range from Mumbai to Shanghai is 5,100 kilometers.

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    * An 8,000-to-12,000-kilometer Surya-2 would be excessive for use against China, although the distance from New Delhi to London is 6,800 kilometers; to Madrid, 7,400 kilometers; to Seattle, 11,500 kilometers; and to Washington, D.C., 12,000 kilometers. In 1997, an article based on information from officials in India’s Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) or higher levels of India’s defense establishment stated flatly, “Surya’s targets will be Europe and the U.S.”[9]



    * A 20,000-kilometer-range Surya-3 could strike any point on the surface of the Earth.

    SO THE BOTTOM LINE IS IF SURYA SUCCEEDS INDIA WILL BE A DEFINITE GLOBAL FIRE POWER
    I WOULD LOVE TO RECEIVE REPLIES JAI HIND !! ..=i+..=i+_=..i2-=
     
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  3. Armand2REP

    Armand2REP CHINI EXPERT Veteran Member

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    I think India is too pacifist to make an ICBM. They really don't need it based on their security concerns.
     
  4. EagleOne

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    at present india dont need this IMO We first complete A-5 and induct into armed forces ..and proper ABM defence ..
    frankly i love to see laser based wepons then ICBM in arsenal :emot180::emot158:
     
  5. Rahul92

    Rahul92 Senior Member Senior Member

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    IT IS HELP FULL FOR THE FUTURE AND TO SHOW CHINESE WHAT WE R CAPABLE OF :happy_8:
     
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    Yusuf GUARDIAN Administrator

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    India has a pretty mature missile program. If there was anything it would have been developed and tested already as it is speculated that the project was conceived in 1994. India does not have a requirement for it right now, the A5 should be good enough for our near term 10-15 years needs at least. Once we have sufficient quantities of these plus an A5 SLBM we should be good.
     
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    Yusuf GUARDIAN Administrator

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    What do you want to show the Chinese? If we have the A5 its good enough for China.
     
  8. EagleOne

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    already they are concern about A-5 that it will hit the Harbin no need they cannot wage a direct war against India
     
  9. Rahul92

    Rahul92 Senior Member Senior Member

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    Just imagine if it succeeds its not just Chinese we can exhibit our firepower to the whole world we can show our capabilities especially to those countries like Australia & other European nations who consider India as African continent country:emot112:
     
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    sayareakd Moderator Moderator

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    We have the capability to make ICBM, but our interest is within the range of 5000 km that will be taken care of A5, plus with ATV and K15, A3 (SL), no location in the earth is unreachable (plus chandrayana launch shows that even moon is within reach).

    Now on top of that when we are looking for economic development to improve standard of living for our citizen, why we want to annoy nations, with whom we have no hostile relations. That will only going to hamper our economic and technological goles, and Surya type of ICBM is costly, we can spend funds on better things.
     
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    roma NRI in Europe Senior Member

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    more helpful to play down some of this unnecessary targeting of nations which are actually friends if not close to it.

    Too much spread of targets which are not our problem and not on our radar-screen .

    It's only dragon which should be on the radar screen, not even pak
     
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    what is it that india needs to prove to the chinese? they are pretty well taken care of with the agni series missiles and A5 does a pretty good job.

    we require surya, no doubt in that but that will be more for western hemisphere countries, you never know how the world behaves with you in the next decade or two decades or further in future and so as to insure a relatively secure future from such unexpected turn of events we require all such weapon systems which can take care of an enemy sitting 10s of thousands of kms away from our borders, and shores.

    and as for answering that question of "Will surya project turn india's fate forever?" the answer does not lie in military gains but in economic gains! the pakistan's, the dprk's of the world should have been fine examples for us to understand that!
     
  13. sayareakd

    sayareakd Moderator Moderator

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    far away point in panda land is only 5000 km from any place from India, so why think of Surya when Agni 5 which has less heat then surya can do the job.
     
  14. arya

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    why don't you want to see the truth we have first and last think for India

    Surya will provide an upper hand in the world
     
  15. sayareakd

    sayareakd Moderator Moderator

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    sir better give development to those who are not connected with the economic growth, Surya may never be used.
     
  16. why are all of you so much hysteric of pakistan and china? china made its first icbm in 1977 and then it had only two formidable enemies. -soviet union and india.as the chinese military grew it has foes around the world including usa& eu. the point is as our military capabilities grow we must be more assertive in global scale and the no. of our enemies will also grow.surya missile is an important step for india for its global power projection
     
  17. Rahul92

    Rahul92 Senior Member Senior Member

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    THE PRESENT RANGES OF CHINESE ARMY (PLA)
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    AND I WOULD LIKE TO THANK ARYA FOR HIS SUPPORT
     
  18. Yusuf

    Yusuf GUARDIAN Administrator

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    What upper hand in the world? The premise of the whole thing is wrong. Its like a small kid going up to his father to ask for the best bicycle just to show his friends and neighbors what he can buy. It BS. India will require it in the future for sure as it climbs up the ladder in international affairs. But right now we don't need it. In fact we need to befriend and develop good relations with all those countries that would come in our potential ICBM range and not put them on enemies list by developing icbms. Even if we develop ICBMs what about the payload? We need a lot more than the arsenal we are maintaining. All this is bloody expensive and will be required probably when we are 5 trillion plus economy with a much more substantial military prowess overall.
     
  19. EagleOne

    EagleOne Regular Member

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    see no country ever used a icbm(correct me if i am wrong) after they are introduced into their arsenal ..so i dont see the need-
     
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  20. Rahul92

    Rahul92 Senior Member Senior Member

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    k guys i dont understand if china made it in 1977 y dont we need it a government official is also suspended for releasing them to press and i can guarntee u that india will get at least surya 1 by 2015 thats for sure & that is the target given to drdo by defence ministry:emot112:
     
  21. EagleOne

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    source .......do u work for MOD?
     
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