Support for Pakistan free of any conditions: China

[LETHALFORCE]

Best way to counter external threat is to have a powerful Chonese military base in Gwadar. It will not affect our integrity or souvreignity.

Neo having a foreign military for you defense does not affect your sovereignty?
IMO USA will not let Pakistan go easily too much time and money invested.

 

[Srinivas_K]

We are not talking about USA here, as far as Pakistan is concerned the USA is history and even the military doesn't want new big tag weapons from them. We even want to get rid of USaid within few years. The resentment within the military towards Wasgington after the Raymon Davis/Ben Laden/Salala affair is unimagineable.

We are talking about the Chinese who have never ever interfered in our domestic or international affairs. As we drift away from USA and develop Balochistan we expect a lot of trouble from them in the form of insurgencies and covert operations meant to destablise the region. Best way to counter external threat is to have a powerful Chonese military base in Gwadar. It will not affect our integrity or souvreignity.

Why do you need a Chinese base to counter internal insurgency??

 

[Neo]

Neo having a foreign military for you defense does not affect your sovereignty?
IMO USA will not let Pakistan go easily too much time and money invested.

Souvereignity will not be compromised as the Chinese will have limited access to the assigned territory which is almost always the case with foreign bases. PN will continue to protect our ports and sea lanes and cooperate as much as she can with the Chinese.
China is investing $32 billion in energy corridor in the first five years followed by another $20 billions till 2020. She has vested interests in the region.

You have probably heard about Sandak and Reko-Diq mines in.Balochistan. Gold and copper worth between $500-1200 billion and we are developping it with China. A strong Sino-Pak military cooperation is needed to stabalise and develop the area and protect it from USA.

Americas only leverage over Pakistan is USaid to bribe our leaders with. Once it stops, there's not much USA can do to bully us. SCO is meeting in Dushanbe this month and Pakistan will get full membership bringing us closer to China and Russia. USA's days are over, the best they can.do is to maintain cordial and trading relationships and no longer push us against the wall.

 

[Neo]

Why do you need a Chinese base to counter internal insurgency??

We need to secure our sea lanes and western borders and incase China gets a base in Gwadar it will only help us better with intel.

China will not and cannot get involved in fighting domestic insurgencies. Those are our concerns only.

 

[Neo]

As and if the energy corridor gets stablished, it will result in rapid and high growth of Western China making her dependant and vulnerable to energy supplies from Gwadar.
Protecting the port and the energy corridor therefor is in mutual interest.

 

[ladder]

Mate, I donot consider Sino-Pak relations to be India centric so no matter what they say in India or any other country, I can only tell that actions speek more than words. China is doing more for Pakistan than our fake allies the USA and Arabs.

There is no sugar daddy as Chinese are business men, a trading nation without imperialistic approach to their allies. So no free lunch for anyone. We pay and they deliver on soft conditions with a lot of tot.

Japan is investing big money in India: does she deserves to be called your sugar daddy? Please leave cheap shots for core trolls, it.doesn't suit you.

At least don't tell Arabs as fake allies. They just gave 1.5*2 billion $ in time of need. Appreciate that.

 

[Compersion]

The only reason that PArmy is not doing a coup is because they are afraid that Paki public will turn against it.

There was a stage just before Musharraf left where Paki Army image was at a low. And that was not long ago. That point of time was discomfiture to the extreme for Paki Army.

There is also the international limelight and perhaps commitments to larger powers made by Paki Army that they will not interfere in Democratic setup of Pakistan. For example threat of sanctions, etc.

This whole façade is the Paki Army taking a grey area where they are trying to do a coup and increase their image and remove sharif who they think is a nutcase.

He might and might not be a nutcase but he is a elected and ought to be supreme over the Paki Army. Thats the theory.

Why Zardari got such advantage and allowance by Paki Army (the only strict difference is treatment of Musharraf). Zardari as a person and history one can say is worse perhaps even equal compared to Sharif yet he was able to complete his term.

PRC will prefer to deal with Paki Army it seems. PRC views Paki like a North Korea.

Would Pakistan have been that obliging and helpful and cooperative to PRC in connecting with USA in 1970s if they knew that PRC would get on the UNSC and also be a trillion dollar USD manufacturing economy and with such economic development that it now offers India special economic partnership. Knowing the Pakis they would definitely want a return and cut. In 1970s Yaha Khan would be combing his eyebrows if he knew the impact of what he did and was part of. PRC ought to hang a picture of Yaha Khan in all its public facilities at least that is what the Pakis ought to ask and take a Zardari 10% cut on the economy.

Paki know when to recognise repayment and reimbursement

When a Paki says that the others is "deeper sea and higher mountain" it means that the other owes them and thats how much they owe them.

 

[bennedose]

as I always said.... the World seems too big for some Indian members ,you need open your eyes and minds indeed...
and China History is also a big problem for you, any way it's not your History , your ignorance is reasonable ...LOL... but I were you ,I would keep silent on those I don't know...

China history is a problem for Chinese also which is why Chinese lose face and start talking about India and Indians the minute embarrassing things are said. No focus. On this board it is normal. Say one thing to make a Chinese ashamed an he will start talking about India. As if something bad about India will make China stink less? How naive! But I can't blame you - you have a lot to be ashamed of - especially your success with ally Pakistan - which seems to be moving from strength to strength. I believe trade is really flourishing? Trade in International Terrorism, that is..

 

[bennedose]

Pakistan is China's Israel?

Well every man gets the whore he can afford I guess.

 

[Compersion]

Credit to PRC they know how to operate the Pakis and understand Paki personality and sense of self (where the Pakis will eventually ask PRC to repay and reimburse them for all they have done - it will happen).

Hence the title of this thread is most suitable.

It is clear words to have hegemony over Pakistan and also make restraint on their behavior (of requesting repayment and reimbursement to PRC).

 

[prohumanity]

Glad to hear that China-Paki relationship is not India centric. Thats a wise foreign policy change as for last 60 years Pakistani foreign policy have been India-Centric to please the masters and get money and weapons. The trouble is Pakistani military loses its importance and power if it abandons the theory that India is an existential threat.....people of Pakistan are getting fed up but they are powerless in front of all powerful Paki Army who does not let the peaceful relations with India. Mr Sharif is trying to help people but look what they are doing to him... Two guys..one from London ..other from Canada...supported by outside hand..you probably know better than me who is behind these two jokers.
As for China..I don't think China will encourage the old time India Hate foreign policy as China and India will be business partners almost 15 to 20 times bigger than China-Pakistan Business partnership. So, China might put some pearls of wisdom inside the minds of hard heads of Pakistani establishment and suggest peace with India for the sake of people of Pakistan.

 

[bennedose]

Glad to hear that China-Paki relationship is not India centric.

It's called sour grapes. It was perfectly India centric until Pakistan failed. Now they are saying they they genuinely love each other for some other unnamed reasons.

 

[bennedose]

This is so saaad

I thought there were no conditions. Now some stupid excuses are being made. What gives?
Security clearance denied: Chinese president's visit to Pakistan postponed – The Express Tribune

Chinese President Xi Jinping's trip to Pakistan has been postponed after his security team denied giving him clearance to visit the country, Express News reported quoting sources.

Xi's security delegation was in Islamabad yesterday to review the security situation in light of the protests, and was not satisfied with the arrangement.

Instead, it was suggested that he should visit Lahore instead of Islamabad; however, his security team did not give clearance for that either.

President Xi's visit is seen as crucial for Pakistan, during which a number of economic and defence deals are expected to be signed between the two countries.

Last month, Sri Lankan President Mahinda Rajapaksa also cancelled his visit to Pakistan in the wake of the country's political situation.

The cancellation of Rajapaksa's visit was seen as a major blow to the government at a time when the country was deep in the throes of political turmoil and uncertainty.

 

[Blackwater]

This is so saaad

I thought there were no conditions. Now some stupid excuses are being made. What gives?
Security clearance denied: Chinese president's visit to Pakistan postponed – The Express Tribune

What happened to deeper and higher friendship treaty number 420

 

[Sameet Pattnaik]

A rogue country will support another rogue country for sure !

 

[Sameet Pattnaik]

How? Let China nuke India?

go on then fulfil your fortune cookie wish !

 

[Sameet Pattnaik]

From our pov a right wing govt in India is equally if not even more unpredictble.

first of all you become a secular person by changing our ancestors land into secular land from islamic fake religion of yehudis ! #arabwannabis !