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  1. JayATL

    JayATL Senior Member Senior Member

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    Look guys , you can't look at this personally. If you are an avid student or wanna be student of foreign policy this article is amazing. I have to give credit to Ray for finding it( not in my Fab Fav 5 of friends in my phone) :).

    However, sometime I go I had an thread posted that China or India will not be superpowers in distant future too. They will be economic powers for sure BUT to be a super power you need to go up against NATO and US cumulative bases and military power.

    Below is a lesson of how a Super Power works to diffuse any perceived threat to its status. Fantastic read for those who love politics , especially foreign policy and militray strategies. ( I assume this was not posted as a thread previously, lol)

    again, don't get caught up in taking it personally ( talk about your countries).

     
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    warriorextreme Senior Member Senior Member

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    USA has to do a lot if they want to get "close" to India.
     
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    JayATL Senior Member Senior Member

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    it is ... padawan:). I believe India is enjoying unprecedented levels of cooperation , almost like a NATO partner and in some cases more.
     
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    chex3009 Regular Member

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    Indians will never trust the Americans.

    They are the worst Mafia out there, they can side with anyone to reap benefits and give them some token in response.
     
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    JayATL Senior Member Senior Member

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    ^^^ did you read the article? allow me to quote "

    However, India’s reluctance to upset the US in the slightest way, displayed at the trilateral RIC meeting of Russian, Indian and Chinese foreign ministers in Wuhan, China, and which came on the heels of Obama’s visit to India, raised concerns that New Delhi may be cozying up to the US a little too far for Moscow’s comfort.

    According to informed sources, Indian diplomats struck down a reference to “non-bloc” principles for building “an open transparent inclusive and balanced security and cooperation architecture in the Asia-Pacific region” in the Russian draft of the Wuhan communiqué."
     
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    chex3009 Regular Member

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    ^^^ So, what? We are still skeptical of their (American) Foreign policy.

    If India was so comfortable with the US, then we might have cozied up with them on every front, especially when the dragon is rising in our backyard.

    To trust Americans is like being a friend of cobra...
     
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    JayATL Senior Member Senior Member

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    OoooooKaaayyyyy then.
     
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    Here is the Official line .............

    AMERICAN VIEW
    India asks too many questions to be an ally

    Indian View
    America puts too many conditions to be trusted.
     
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    chex3009 Regular Member

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    Agreed 100% with your take on it.
     
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    captonjohn Regular Member

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    Cool man in this world no permanent friends or enemies but permanent interests. They are saving their interests and we are saving our interests. Don't get hyper on US coz almost all nation do same when it come to their interests EXCEPT india. In india our leaders are so weak that they can't put their interest anywhere in the world.
     
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    JayATL Senior Member Senior Member

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    and then they meet in the middle, is my view :D . honestly, as I said , India is enjoying unprecedented access and relationship. watch it will only get better...they will sign trade deals with India and try to ease china's heavy stake in their market.
     
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    chex3009 Regular Member

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    Yes thats good for us but in return every six months we get to read that Pakistan is handed over 18 new F-16C/D and billions in aid, thats where the mistrust begins.
     
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    JayATL Senior Member Senior Member

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    why mistrust , those f16's were part of some package they had paid for years ago, I thought. and the aid, well they are broke and US wants them to be on the NWFP . don't worry about those loans that country is pretty much fubared for a decade atlest.
     
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    Still they are the only country with the fastest production of nuclear weapons in the world and US can't do much about it, can they?
     
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    JayATL Senior Member Senior Member

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    its a sovereign country, but US has all the nukes locked down( actually they are all separated and not assembled ) and is over its security. But let's get back to the topic on hand. did you find it a good read from a cerebral perspective?
     
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    Good Read, and actually it put India into a very interesting position, we can have technological access from both Americans (they are ban-lifting spree from some of our premier institutes) and Russians, which no country has.

    And by this we want to remain in good books of all the powers that we are playing with.

    Jay, Can you elaborate more on India's position between these two powers, and ofcourse China, our neighbour.
     
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    Joke of the day : US has Pakistani nukes locked down :D
     
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    JayATL Senior Member Senior Member

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    my perspective is two folds.

    The first one is more anecdotal, in that the perception of the US public is very different of china from India. They look at china as more of a threat vs India. India is someone who is possibly taking away jobs from the US - But there is also a more welcoming attitude towards India, especially after the last visit when India signed the aircraft deal and the people learned of all the jobs coming with it for the US.

    Alternatively, China is looked at as someone challenging America and being antagonistic. What does not help is, when pn every occasion the world body and US specifically attempts sanctions on rogue nations, china always blocks it. So the perception of china is that they make friends with the worlds pariah nations ( NK, Iran, Pakistan, Syria, Sudan, dictators in Africa)

    Second opinion is more of what I have read and understood. This document states a lot of it. But the most important part is that US definitely wants to ally up close with India and use it to slow china's market share. Unlike Afghanistan where once the mission was accomplished the US left. China is not going anywhere but on top, so I believe that this would be a more sustained relationship and should not be seen through the eyes of how they dealt with Pakistan in the 80's. And as you pointed out India has not put all its eggs in one basket, it also works with Russia and so truly that non-aligned status is helping India now.

    Another thought is that most markets are getting saturated and so it makes sense for NATO / US to look at India's vast market to sustain their exports. But the 800 pound gorilla in the room is still China's de-valuing of it's currency. It will have to be raised at some point, as it can't sustain itself at those rates. And it is here where India comes in and takes advantage of those markets.

    I'll stop here with this last bit: Indians are very integrated in American politics and it helps. I read somewhere that there is an Indian in almost every US congressman and senators staff.
     
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    Tshering22 Sikkimese Saber Senior Member

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    ^^ The article is pretty interesting and certainly puts us in a great position. There is going to be cooperation but it will not be along the lines of what US gets from NATO. US in general is a friendly-to-India country but as a part of what we get from Russians (no meddling in our business), this is seen less in the US. Otherwise, you will find us pretty welcoming sort. It is just as A.V. put:

    US POV:

    India asks too many questions for being an ally

    Indian POV:

    US puts too many conditions for being an ally.

    :D
     
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    JayATL Senior Member Senior Member

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    I have never come across a truly equal partnership / relationship with any two countries. all I say is don't treat it as a zero sum game. You win some, you comprise and lose on others. So if you get a no from the US, remember India says plenty of no to the US too! ( NPT anyone? :))
     

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