Sukhoi Su 30MKI

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  1. mayfair

    mayfair Elite Member Elite Member

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    Mig 21s, Mig 27s will soon be retired and Jaguars and Mirages and Mig 29s by 2030. then we'll be left with Su 30s, LCA, Rafale with a possibility of adding PAKFA and AMCA.

    Eventually we will arrive at a smaller set of variants.
     
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  2. Sancho

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    He refered to a Forbes report for the operational costs, so I searched for it and and when I then asked him, that his own source shows 2 to 3 times the operational cost for heavy class fighters, compared to the F16 and why he then is advocating Su 30s? He blocked me. :lol:

    When you put yourself in the media and give references, you should not have hurt feelings if somebody is looking up the infos you gave.

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    If cost is the driver for selecting SE MMRCAs, adding more heavy class fighters is not a solution.
     
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    Nothing path breaking here but it is the sanest suggestion one could give to Imported Air Force. Nothing/nobody is stopping IAF from ordering two more squadrons of MKI.
     
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  4. Sancho

    Sancho Regular Member

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    True, but they don't want more:

    https://m.economictimes.com/default_pwa.cms?article=56225487
     
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    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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    The sputnik interviewing a retired personal, so much clarity ..
     
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    Sancho Regular Member

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    When the balance is bad, you don't have to make it worse, just because a foreign vendor doesn't play by our rules and the government is currently not sure what they want. At least IAF has to be the mature side here and stick to the plans, especially with even more costly stealth fighters in sight as well.
     
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    Two or three more squadrons are not going to make the sky fall. Whatever operational or procurement costs IAF is creating hullabaloo over are a mere fraction compared to inducting an entire new platform. The new platform being the same ones that IAF rejected during MMRCA on technical grounds.
     
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  9. Kay

    Kay Regular Member

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    Just wondering if Su MKI operating costs can be brought down? F-18 is fairly cheap to operate in spite of being a twin engine plane.
     
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    Remove dumbs, slowpokes and corruptors - and you'll be fine :)

    F/A-18 is not as cheap to operate as it should be as it is a medium weight fighter.

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  11. smestarz

    smestarz Senior Member Senior Member

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    Give IAF a free hand and they would go for 500 Rafales
    there is difference between need and want, IAF needs lost cost and low maintenance planes that can be used for flying CAPS, what IAF wants is the most expensive plane available.
    BTW IAF top brass in recent times were involved in trying to handicap the efforts of them DM to get lower price, for example when MMRCA discussion was going on and DM said that in case of Rafale not working out, we can order more Su-30 MKI this was supposed to help negotiations, but then Arup Raha went on record to say "there is no plan B" So these IAF top brass have been some how clandestinely trying to undermine the efforts of DM trying to hurt the negotiations as if they had share of the profit in sale of Rafale.
    BTW Arup Raha is now ex-IAF chief.

     
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  12. Sancho

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    Heavy class fighter with larger engines vs medium class fighter with smaller engines would be the first issue.

    That's not correct, since the MMRCA requirements, are based on the initial MRCA tender, where the Mirage 2000-5 was part of the tender. IAFs basic requirements of a multi role capable fighter still remains the same till today in the SE MMRCA, what changes are limitations or additions depending on which fighters will compete. The MRCA had a MTOW limit of 20t, which just included the Mig 29, but no other twin engine fighter. The MMRCA had a limit of 30t and added AESA as a prime requirement, to have a level playing field with future potential in mind. The SE now, for the first time is limited by engine numbers and not MTOW.

    True, but current Air Chief Dhanoa repeatedly stated that IAF is adding 2 squads of MKI, that are on order and in production, while he just stated in October, that SE MMRCAs have priority.
     
  13. Pandora

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    Hi sancho..its been long time mate..where were you?
     
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